Malaria drug touted by Trump for coronavirus fails another test

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Malaria drug touted by Trump for coronavirus fails another test

By Gene Emery

 

FILE PHOTO: Laura Ng, who has lupus and had to recently call at least five pharmacies before she could find a place to fill her hydroxychloroquine prescription, is photographed in Seattle, Washington, U.S. March 31, 2020. REUTERS/Lindsey Wasson

 

(Reuters) - The malaria treatment repeatedly championed by U.S. President Donald Trump as a "game changer" in the fight against the novel coronavirus has again failed to show a benefit in patients hospitalised with COVID-19, according to a study released on Thursday.

 

While the study being published in the New England Journal of Medicine had certain limitations, doctors reported that the use of hydroxychloroquine neither lessened the need for patients requiring breathing assistance nor the risk of death.

 

"We didn't see any association between getting this medicine and the chance of dying or being intubated," lead researcher Dr. Neil Schluger told Reuters in a telephone interview. "The patients who got the drug didn't seem to do any better."

 

Among patients given hydroxychloroquine, 32.3% ended up needing a ventilator or dying, compared with 14.9% of patients who were not given the drug.

 

But doctors were more likely to give hydroxychloroquine to sicker patients, so researchers at New York-Presbyterian Hospital and Columbia University Irving Medical Center adjusted the rates to account for that. They concluded that the drug may not have hurt patients, but it clearly did not help.

 

Decades old hydroxychloroquine, which is also used to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, also showed no benefit when combined with the antibiotic azithromycin, Schluger's team reported. Azithromycin alone also showed no benefit.

 

Last month, doctors at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs reported that hydroxychloroquine did not help COVID-19 patients and might pose a higher risk of death.

 

That analysis of medical records showed a death rate of 28% when the drug was given in addition to standard treatments, compared to 11% with standard care alone.

 

In the latest study, 811 patients got hydroxychloroquine and 565 did not.

 

Because they were not randomly assigned to receive hydroxychloroquine or a placebo, "the study should not be taken to rule out either benefit or harm" for the drug, researchers said. Randomized trials, the gold standard for tests of new therapies, should continue, they added.

 

But for now, "the guidance in our hospital has changed so we don't recommend giving hydroxychloroquine to hospitalized patients," said Dr. Schluger, chief of the division of pulmonary, allergy and critical care medicine at Irving.

 

Smaller studies, including one done in China, had suggested hydroxychloroquine might be useful, "but these were tiny studies and not of good quality. People seized on them because patients were dying," he said.

 

There are currently no approved treatments for COVID-19, although Gilead Sciences Inc's experimental antiviral drug remdesivir last week receive emergency use authorization from U.S. regulators.

 

(Reporting by Gene Emery in Cranston, Rhode Island; Editing by Bill Berkrot)

 

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[Kelsall]

"While the study being published in the New England Journal of Medicine had certain limitations,"

Yep.

[Tracechain]

Someone told me that if you just hang a picture of Nancy and Chuck over your bed you will be healed...

[Crazy Alex]

Have their been any successful tests?

[RJRS1301]

14 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Have their been any successful tests?

No,none published and I am sure Trump and his ventriloquist dummy , would be there shouting it from the roof tops along with there "strong indications" on lab origin 

[AlexRich]

As the virus can only survive on a live host the obvious cure is suicide. I’m surprised the stable genius hasn’t put that out there?

 

 

 

[stevenl]

38 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

No,none published and I am sure Trump and his ventriloquist dummy , would be there shouting it from the roof tops along with there "strong indications" on lab origin 

There have been tests indicating a limited positive effect, but these have been surrounded by criticism.

 

The indications are more and more it had no benefits.

[winslowsjardine]

Well there is some good news. Blood thinners drastically reduced the death rate for Covid patients on ventilators. It was just an observational study but they did review the records of over 2000 patients.

 

[frodo77]

Trump is most definitely not a clown and history will show him to be a brilliant President as he continues to drain the swamp. Flynn's exoneration is just the start. He was misquoted by the evil mainstream media about the disinfectant. I wish people would wake up to the truth.

[Walker88]

More than 50 Veterans, men who served the nation in wartime, died after suffering heart attacks when they were given hydroxychloroquine. ALso, the supply that Pence and Jared's Task Force (sic) obtained was sourced in plants in Pakistan and India which had never received FDA inspection and approval,

 

50 good men will be interred earlier than necessary in Arlington National, owing to the fault of people who never served one second for the nation.

[Saint Nick]

...but but but...all the Trump- sycophants have told us it is sooooo good and helpful!

[toolpush]

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Ah, the video is available regarding his disinfectant drivel.

 

As for flynn, he lied to the Vice President, then lied to the FBI about lying to the VP. In anyplace other than a Banana Republic, that would consititute a criminal offense.

 

History will show trump passed while serving time for a whole host of crimes. Likely the new AG Kamala Harris will have him cuffed and perpwalked off President Biden's Inaugural Stage on 20 January 2021, drawing cheers from what will be the largest Inaugural crowd ever, even topping President Obama's massive crowd.

I am Joe Biden and I forget his message

[DoctorG]

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

More than 50 Veterans, men who served the nation in wartime, died after suffering heart attacks when they were given hydroxychloroquine. ALso, the supply that Pence and Jared's Task Force (sic) obtained was sourced in plants in Pakistan and India which had never received FDA inspection and approval,

 

50 good men will be interred earlier than necessary in Arlington National, owing to the fault of people who never served one second for the nation.

Interesting. Got a link to that heart attack news?

[DoctorG]

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/35547-va-study-on-hydroxychloroquine-challenged-gilead-s-drug-remdesivir-ineffective

 

Couldn't wait for Walker to provide so I found this.

[Siamjim]

and i should trust Scientist commenting with the MSM? ...not

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, Siamjim said:

and i should trust Scientist commenting with the MSM? ...not

Certainly more qualified than the quack at the pulpit. 

[heybruce]

54 minutes ago, Siamjim said:

and i should trust Scientist commenting with the MSM? ...not

Right.  Much better to trust trolls and snake oil salesmen.

[Aland]

9 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

No,none published and I am sure Trump and his ventriloquist dummy , would be there shouting it from the roof tops along with there "strong indications" on lab origin 

I guess you missed this one huh? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32205204

[metisdead]

Some troll posts using trolling representations of Trump's name have been removed.  

 

A post using unapproved or questionable YouTube sources has been removed;

 

18) Social Media content is not to be used as  source material unless it is from a recognized or approved news media source,  the source of any such material (Twitter, Facebook, YouTube  etc.) should always be shown

[AgMech Cowboy]

15 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Right.  Much better to trust trolls and snake oil salesmen.

Plenty of Doctors who have come out supporting the treatment.

[Grumpy one]

6 hours ago, frodo77 said:

Trump is most definitely not a clown and history will show him to be a brilliant President as he continues to drain the swamp. Flynn's exoneration is just the start. He was misquoted by the evil mainstream media about the disinfectant. I wish people would wake up to the truth.

Obviously you come from a parallel universe 

[cycolista]

6 hours ago, frodo77 said:

Trump is most definitely not a clown and history will show him to be a brilliant President as he continues to drain the swamp. Flynn's exoneration is just the start. He was misquoted by the evil mainstream media about the disinfectant. I wish people would wake up to the truth.

Now THAT'S sarcasm.????

[charmonman]

9 hours ago, AlexRich said:

As the virus can only survive on a live host the obvious cure is suicide. I’m surprised the stable genius hasn’t put that out there?

 

 

 

He came pretty close when he suggested that injecting household disinfectants might be beneficial.

[Mick501]

6 hours ago, frodo77 said:

Trump is most definitely not a clown and history will show him to be a brilliant President as he continues to drain the swamp. Flynn's exoneration is just the start. He was misquoted by the evil mainstream media about the disinfectant. I wish people would wake up to the truth.

Probably too soon to rank him amongst the best ever presidents, but it's not much of a stretch.  History will judge him impartially without the left media anti Trump obsession, and he will shine as bright as any.   Although, I wouldn't want to be in charge of sculpting his hair if they add his likeness to Mt Rushmore.

[AgMech Cowboy]

9 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Have their been any successful tests?

Since my previous post responding to your question was deemed not appropriate because I used a Youtube story from OAN and Dr. Oz. I'll refer you to Youtube's OAN channel and their report highlighting the support for the treatment and statements from the "Association of American Physicians and Surgeons." I cannot post the link but its title is "Doctors urge government to stop interfering in physicians ability to treat patients". Search that on youtube and you can watch the 3:45 minute video to see it has been successful.

Also, there is a video about a Doctor Didier Raoult on the Dr Oz Show in the USA which supports the positive effects of the treatment. The Wall Street Journal also has an article written about Dr. Raoult's success. I've put a link below:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/french-doctor-leads-charge-for-treating-coronavirus-with-antimalarial-drug-11586629801

[charmonman]

6 hours ago, frodo77 said:

Trump is most definitely not a clown and history will show him to be a brilliant President as he continues to drain the swamp. Flynn's exoneration is just the start. He was misquoted by the evil mainstream media about the disinfectant. I wish people would wake up to the truth.

He was not “misquoted by the evil mainstream media about the disinfectant”. He said it live on television at the daily task force news briefing. I was watching it live and I was amazed by the stupidity of his comments. I didn’t need to read about it in any kind of media, evil mainstream or otherwise. It was said live on television and it was inarguably the most stupid thing ever said by any President in the modern era.

That is the truth and no amount of spin, denial or excuses can change that.

[AgMech Cowboy]

1 minute ago, Mick501 said:

Probably too soon to rank him amongst the best ever presidents, but it's not much of a stretch.  History will judge him impartially without the left media anti Trump obsession, and he will shine as bright as any.   Although, I wouldn't want to be in charge of sculpting his hair if they add his likeness to Mt Rushmore.

I only put the laughing emoji because of the last sentence.  Not sure about the rest of your statement although I think he's been a good president. I was not a fan of him until I saw the things he started doing in Government. Since they are rewriting history all the time and trying paint the revolution and the USA founders in a negative light. I don't think the historians will know what to write.  They are becoming more leftist as time goes by.

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

Since my previous post responding to your question was deemed not appropriate because I used a Youtube story from OAN and Dr. Oz. I'll refer you to Youtube's OAN channel and their report highlighting the support for the treatment and statements from the "Association of American Physicians and Surgeons." I cannot post the link but its title is "Doctors urge government to stop interfering in physicians ability to treat patients". Search that on youtube and you can watch the 3:45 minute video to see it has been successful.

Also, there is a video about a Doctor Didier Raoult on the Dr Oz Show in the USA which supports the positive effects of the treatment. The Wall Street Journal also has an article written about Dr. Raoult's success. I've put a link below:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/french-doctor-leads-charge-for-treating-coronavirus-with-antimalarial-drug-11586629801

Better read up on that association, not very reputable.

 

As I said earlier, there are positive and negative reports, with especially the negatives receiving lots of criticism and the newer ones leaning more and more negative.

[Magenta408]

Why is Trump opening his mouth? Is he qualified to suggest that disinfectants be injected into patients or was he joking or misinformed or both? I have read sources where hydroxychloroquine was successful. 

[stevenl]

Just now, AgMech Cowboy said:

I only put the laughing emoji because of the last sentence.  Not sure about the rest of your statement although I think he's been a good president. I was not a fan of him until I saw the things he started doing in Government. Since they are rewriting history all the time and trying paint the revolution and the USA founders in a negative light. I don't think the historians will know what to write.  They are becoming more leftist as time goes by.

If everyone is becoming more left, it is you who is becoming more right wing.

 

What are the good things he started doing in government please?