In leaked call, Obama describes Trump handling of virus as chaotic

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Walker88 I wish I was half as articulate as you well said sir and true 

Tin foil hat worthy as I see it....

[Relocated]

Hero worshipping requires one to be worshipped regardless of its worthy to be worshipped. 

This anti-Trump psychology picked Obama to use him to be object of worshipping. 

And hero worshipping is psychological illness to compensate its own lack of self esteem. 

[1FinickyOne]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He may well be the not so secret sauce

So, we go from McD's to Jack in the Box... ??

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

"What we're fighting against is these long-term trends in which being selfish, being tribal, being divided, and seeing others as an enemy -- that has become a stronger impulse in American life," he said.

 

Something that he and his administration did a whole lot of by dividing the country into a race issue which before his election it never was.  It is also what has driven folks to become less appreciative of the way laws work and entrenched a division between citizens and Law Enforcement/Emergency personnel.  

Really?  There were no race issues in the US before Obama was elected President?  Are you sure?

[ThailandRyan]

14 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Really?  There were no race issues in the US before Obama was elected President?  Are you sure?

His first divisive measure was when he made the police officer and the professor sit down together at the Whitehouse for a beer.  This was something way below his purview as the President, and as much as he thought he was involving himself at the local level it set the tone for what came.  Because of his actions he fostered the hate black people had for police and emergency personnel by making it a presidential issue, when it should have been taken care of at a local level.  There has always been race issues, but unfortunately Obama's administration set things back greatly in how far we had come with our laws in trying to create equality.  Race needs to be left alone.  The US is a melting pot and we have come from all over so we are a country of many races.  Unfortunately, folks within his party wanted to capitalize on perceived race issues and take it to a national level.  Unfortunately again we now have a tool in office who can not stop tweeting and thinks being president is like his television show.  When you run a country you need to act Presidential and relegate many of the daily issues to staff to send back down to the States Governors, Cities Mayors, and this is where it should be taken care of, not in the Presidents office.  I abhor politics.  So many people start off with the right intention but then as we all know power corrupts even the best of us all.

[riclag]

4 hours ago, rooster59 said:

But in his call on Friday with 3,000 members of the Obama Alumni Association, people who served in his administration, Obama urged his supporters to get behind Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, who is trying to unseat Trump in the Nov. 3 election.

Leaked ! lol imop

“Biden has a thin line,” the outside adviser to Biden said. “As much as I dislike Trump and think what a bad job he’s doing, there’s a danger now that attacking him can backfire on you if you get too far out there. I don’t think the public wants to hear criticism of Trump right now.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/joe-biden-coronavirus-bunker-151302

Apparently joey didn't convey or forgot  to tell obama from his bunker deep inside the bowels of his basement   !

 

obama: "What we're fighting against is these long-term trends in which being selfish, being tribal, being divided, and seeing others as an enemy -- that has become a stronger impulse in American life," he said

 

Says the guy who was responsible for the lefts boogiman!  Says the guy who was responsible for middle Americas forgotten and the loss of many manufacturing jobs and was a proponent of TPP ! Says the guy who is the poster boy for  millions of Americans self-reliance on  government social programs!    

 https://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/obamas-record-on-manufacturing-jobs/

 

"While Democrats were pursuing a sham witch hunt against President Trump, President Trump was shutting down travel from China. While Democrats encouraged mass gatherings, President Trump was deploying PPE, ventilators, and testing across the country," she said.

Right on Kayleigh, Polosi was to busy  giving press interviews on impeachment instead of  attending a  briefing 

for congress by health experts who said  on jan 30, it was largely contained in china and fuaci was telling reporters in jan,that America shouldn't feel threaten at the time!

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/13020-1

https://degette.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/us-health-officials-brief-lawmakers-on-spread-of-coronavirus

 

What does the POTUS have up his sleave to make the x come calling !

Edited May 10, 2020 by riclag

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and the replies have been removed. 

[Dap]

4 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

In purposely leaked call, with a compliant media, and after years of political silence, Obama describes Trump as chaotic ????

C'mon, cut him some slack. He's sincerely trying to be nice 

[klauskunkel]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Trump's response to the coronavirus "has been unprecedented"

The virus is new. Any response to it is unprecedented by default. Duh.

 

The "duh" is not unprecedented. Trump gets that a lot...

[JCauto]

5 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 Joe's secret sauce has been causing enough problems already. 

 

 It is a disgrace that Obama can not be quiet and go away like the Bushes and other ex POTUS's did. Just no class whatsoever, either of them. Although I believe this turkey is starting to squawk due to his neck being on the chopping block as all the dreadful details of his illegal deep state spying and ginning up fallacious cases and investigations against Donald Trump. As any detective knows, the guilty party starts flapping when put under the spotlight. Exactly what we are witnessing now.

And you're going to be consistent and condemn Trump when he's finally turfed out when he offers a running commentary on whomever is left to clean up his mess? You know perfectly well that Donald won't wait a second to start his Tweetstorms once he's gone and you'll have no issues with it whatsoever.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

His first divisive measure was when he made the police officer and the professor sit down together at the Whitehouse for a beer.  This was something way below his purview as the President, and as much as he thought he was involving himself at the local level it set the tone for what came.  Because of his actions he fostered the hate black people had for police and emergency personnel by making it a presidential issue, when it should have been taken care of at a local level.  There has always been race issues, but unfortunately Obama's administration set things back greatly in how far we had come with our laws in trying to create equality.  Race needs to be left alone.  The US is a melting pot and we have come from all over so we are a country of many races.  Unfortunately, folks within his party wanted to capitalize on perceived race issues and take it to a national level.  Unfortunately again we now have a tool in office who can not stop tweeting and thinks being president is like his television show.  When you run a country you need to act Presidential and relegate many of the daily issues to staff to send back down to the States Governors, Cities Mayors, and this is where it should be taken care of, not in the Presidents office.  I abhor politics.  So many people start off with the right intention but then as we all know power corrupts even the best of us all.

You think race problems in the US are because President Obama had a feuding police officer and professor sit together in the White House? 

 

I think you are crediting that one minor and largely forgotten event with far more significance than it warrants.

[xylophone]

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany said Trump's response to the coronavirus "has been unprecedented" and has saved American lives........and

 

"While Democrats were pursuing a sham witch hunt against President Trump, President Trump was shutting down travel from China. While Democrats encouraged mass gatherings, President Trump was deploying PPE, ventilators, and testing across the country," she said.

I thought this was the woman who openly said that she wouldn't lie, when asked at a briefing a few days ago.

 

Obviously far too much to hope for, and it seems that being unable to tell the difference between truth and lies is a trump and trumpist trait.

 

Back in January, when US intelligence agencies first started to warn Donald Trump about the threat the virus posed, his instinct was to brush it off.

 

Trump did not want to spook the financial markets. Even after China finally acknowledged there was significant human-to-human transmission of the virus, he consistently downplayed the danger.

 

On January 22, CNBC asked the President whether he was worried about the virus becoming a pandemic.

 

"No, not at all," he said.

"We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine."

 

At the start of February, having been convinced by his staff to announce restrictions on travel from China, Trump said the problem had been dealt with. On February 2, he told Fox News host Sean Hannity partial travel ban had "pretty much shut it down".

 

On February 14, he suggested the virus would simply go away as the United States headed into its summer months.

 

"There's a theory that, in April, when it gets warm – historically, that has been able to kill the virus," said Trump.

 

By February 26, there were 60 confirmed cases in the United States, and that number was rising steadily. "We're going down, not up. We're going very substantially down, not up," Trump claimed, contradicting his own administration's health officials.

 

"As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we're going to be, pretty soon, at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time."

 

He also compared the coronavirus to influenza.

 

Trump repeatedly downplayed the virus, and dismissed fears about its potential spread in the United States as media "hysteria".

 

He did this until mid-March, when he finally started to take the pandemic seriously – and abruptly switched to claiming he'd known how bad it was all along.

 

"I've always known this is a, this is a real, this is a pandemic," he said on March 16.

"I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.

 

"I've always viewed it as serious."

 

That simply wasn't true. As other world leaders did their best to prepare for the crisis, Trump pretended there was nothing to worry about.

 

In summary, a complete <deleted> from a complete idiot, and Obama was right. Disinfectant anyone??

 

[ChouDoufu]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Nostalgia for a real and legitimate president. 

Obama will campaign for Biden long and hard. 

He may well be the not so secret sauce to put Joe into the white house. 

err, i think the secret ingredient in this winning recipe will be a side order of michelle.  biden already promised a lady vp.

 

they get the female votes.

they get the minority votes.

they get the nostalgia votes.

they get the democratic votes.

they get the "not trump" votes.   <--(mine will be in this category)

 

imo most everyone assumes "sleepy joe" won't last long, will likely quickly step down due to health reasons.

 

i'll take a chance that president michelle won't pick "her" as the new replacement vp.

 

 

 

[Nigel Garvie]

4 hours ago, scorecard said:

and I suspect she was extremely embarrassed and was thinking 'where's the button to make this bad dream go away?' 

Her and the rest of the sane world.

 

[seajae]

hahahahaha, you only have to look at what this idiot did or should I say didnt do when he was in, he simply ignored the virus completely for months and then  let all the US supplies that were required run out and were never replaced, seems he forgets what a total stuff up he did

Edited May 10, 2020 by seajae

[riclag]

30 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I thought this was the woman who openly said that she wouldn't lie, when asked at a briefing a few days ago.

 

Obviously far too much to hope for, and it seems that being unable to tell the difference between truth and lies is a trump and trumpist trait.

 

Back in January, when US intelligence agencies first started to warn Donald Trump about the threat the virus posed, his instinct was to brush it off.

 

Trump did not want to spook the financial markets. Even after China finally acknowledged there was significant human-to-human transmission of the virus, he consistently downplayed the danger.

 

On January 22, CNBC asked the President whether he was worried about the virus becoming a pandemic.

 

"No, not at all," he said.

"We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine."

 

At the start of February, having been convinced by his staff to announce restrictions on travel from China, Trump said the problem had been dealt with. On February 2, he told Fox News host Sean Hannity partial travel ban had "pretty much shut it down".

 

On February 14, he suggested the virus would simply go away as the United States headed into its summer months.

 

"There's a theory that, in April, when it gets warm – historically, that has been able to kill the virus," said Trump.

 

By February 26, there were 60 confirmed cases in the United States, and that number was rising steadily. "We're going down, not up. We're going very substantially down, not up," Trump claimed, contradicting his own administration's health officials.

 

"As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we're going to be, pretty soon, at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time."

 

He also compared the coronavirus to influenza.

 

Trump repeatedly downplayed the virus, and dismissed fears about its potential spread in the United States as media "hysteria".

 

He did this until mid-March, when he finally started to take the pandemic seriously – and abruptly switched to claiming he'd known how bad it was all along.

 

"I've always known this is a, this is a real, this is a pandemic," he said on March 16.

"I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.

 

"I've always viewed it as serious."

 

That simply wasn't true. As other world leaders did their best to prepare for the crisis, Trump pretended there was nothing to worry about.

 

In summary, a complete fustercluck from a complete idiot, and Obama was right. Disinfectant anyone??

 

Your forgetting something it doesn't matter what intel says its what fauci says ,its what health experts were saying to dems at the briefing on jan 30th !  Health experts not intel were advising congress! Fauci said no threat at the time to America in January !The director of the infectious disease  not some intel agency who has little knowledge compare to fauci .Your intel claim falls on fauci  and health experts deaf ears!'He took it the way it was presented to him ! He restricted china at the end of January, the virus turned pandemic on march 11

https://degette.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/us-health-officials-brief-lawmakers-on-spread-of-coronavirus

Edited May 10, 2020 by riclag

[UbonThani]

Retired has beens should move on. No need to comment.

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

Anybody who listend to Trump and looked what happend should come to the same or a worse conclusion. Obamas words are on the nice end of what could be said about Trump.

[ChouDoufu]

10 minutes ago, riclag said:

Your forgetting something it doesn't matter what intel says its what fauci says ,its what health experts were saying to dems at the briefing on jan 30th !  Health experts not intel were advising congress! Fauci said no threat at the time to America in January !The director of the infectious disease  not some intel agency who has little knowledge compare to fauci .Your intel claim falls on fauci  and health experts deaf ears!'He took it the way it was presented to him ! He restricted china at the end of January, the virus turned pandemic on march 11

https://degette.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/us-health-officials-brief-lawmakers-on-spread-of-coronavirus

 

if that were the case, why were those health briefings classified? 

if "it's just the flu, bro", what do they need to hide from the public?

where do you think our health experts get much of their information on a chinese epidemic?  from china?  that's why we have multiple intel agencies.

 

and if they were depending on only health experts for their information, why were our congressional overlords selling their stock holdings?

 

 

i'd google some stuff for ya, but china is not playing nice today.

vpn's are spotty, and for some reason microsoft's bing does not respond.

[Mick501]

7 hours ago, pegman said:

Obama, the master of understatement. 

You spelt "mismanagement" incorrectly.

[riclag]

49 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I thought this was the woman who openly said that she wouldn't lie, when asked at a briefing a few days ago.

 

Obviously far too much to hope for, and it seems that being unable to tell the difference between truth and lies is a trump and trumpist trait.

 

Back in January, when US intelligence agencies first started to warn Donald Trump about the threat the virus posed, his instinct was to brush it off.

 

Trump did not want to spook the financial markets. Even after China finally acknowledged there was significant human-to-human transmission of the virus, he consistently downplayed the danger.

 

On January 22, CNBC asked the President whether he was worried about the virus becoming a pandemic.

 

"No, not at all," he said.

"We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine."

 

At the start of February, having been convinced by his staff to announce restrictions on travel from China, Trump said the problem had been dealt with. On February 2, he told Fox News host Sean Hannity partial travel ban had "pretty much shut it down".

 

On February 14, he suggested the virus would simply go away as the United States headed into its summer months.

 

"There's a theory that, in April, when it gets warm – historically, that has been able to kill the virus," said Trump.

 

By February 26, there were 60 confirmed cases in the United States, and that number was rising steadily. "We're going down, not up. We're going very substantially down, not up," Trump claimed, contradicting his own administration's health officials.

 

"As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we're going to be, pretty soon, at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time."

 

He also compared the coronavirus to influenza.

 

Trump repeatedly downplayed the virus, and dismissed fears about its potential spread in the United States as media "hysteria".

 

He did this until mid-March, when he finally started to take the pandemic seriously – and abruptly switched to claiming he'd known how bad it was all along.

 

"I've always known this is a, this is a real, this is a pandemic," he said on March 16.

"I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.

 

"I've always viewed it as serious."

 

That simply wasn't true. As other world leaders did their best to prepare for the crisis, Trump pretended there was nothing to worry about.

 

In summary, a complete <deleted> from a complete idiot, and Obama was right. Disinfectant anyone??

 

Doesn't anybody give sources anymore!

"By February 26, there were 60 confirmed cases in the United States, and that number was rising steadily. "We're going down, not up. We're going very substantially down, not up," Trump claimed, contradicting his own administration's health officials".

 

fauci said no lifestyle changes for America on feb 29th.How dire was that

https://www.today.com/video/dr-fauci-on-coronavirus-fears-no-need-to-change-lifestyle-yet-79684677616

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

You spelt "mismanagement" incorrectly.

Correcting spelling with a spelling mistake.

[riclag]

4 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

if that were the case, why were those health briefings classified? 

if "it's just the flu, bro", what do they need to hide from the public?

where do you think our health experts get much of their information on a chinese epidemic?  from china?  that's why we have multiple intel agencies.

 

and if they were depending on only health experts for their information, why were our congressional overlords selling their stock holdings?

 

 

i'd google some stuff for ya, but china is not playing nice today.

vpn's are spotty, and for some reason microsoft's bing does not respond.

beats me buddy I'm just reporting the facts

[Mick501]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Correcting spelling with a spelling mistake.

Gonna let you in on a little secret.  I wasn't really correcting the spelling.

[metisdead]

A post using a late night comedy show video and a reply has been removed.  A late night comedy show is not a credible source of information, it is just a comedy show. 

[Lacessit]

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 Joe's secret sauce has been causing enough problems already. 

 

 It is a disgrace that Obama can not be quiet and go away like the Bushes and other ex POTUS's did. Just no class whatsoever, either of them. Although I believe this turkey is starting to squawk due to his neck being on the chopping block as all the dreadful details of his illegal deep state spying and ginning up fallacious cases and investigations against Donald Trump. As any detective knows, the guilty party starts flapping when put under the spotlight. Exactly what we are witnessing now.

Thai Visa is wonderful. We can have people posting stuff here that nobody in their most fervid imagination could say in person with a straight face.

One hypothesis I have is posts like these are when somebody's meds are skipped for a week.

[JensenZ]

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Obama urged his supporters to get behind Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, who is trying to unseat Trump in the Nov. 3 election.

LOL: "trying to unseat Trump".

 

He's hiding away, hoping he can win by default if there are enough Trump haters to vote for him.

 

This won't work, but the more he appears in public, the worse he does.  

 

Obama is smart. Biden is not and Obama would know that more than most. Biden wasn't very smart even when he when his brain was still working at peak efficiency.

 

https://apnews.com/cd977f7ff301993f7976974ba07c5495

 

But last week Biden released his law school records showing he had graduated 76th in a law school class of 85. The law school transcript also showed he made little progress in class standing through the three-year course, ranking 80 out of 100 in the first semester of the first year, and 79th out of 87 the second semester of his second year

 

There's no way he sees Biden as an electable candidate. They have something planned. They are hoping Trump will come undone between now and November, and then sneak someone else in at the last moment.

[earlinclaifornia]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course he is. Biden presumably knows all the things Obama does not wish to come out. Bernie might not be as "friendly" to Obama's legacy.

Deny, then deflect, then admit I did it So What! Time is up. The election is lost and you are needing a different tune now.

[ChouDoufu]

 

12 minutes ago, riclag said:

beats me buddy I'm just reporting the facts

 

35 minutes ago, riclag said:

Your forgetting something it doesn't matter what intel says its what fauci says ,its what health experts were saying to dems at the briefing on jan 30th !  Health experts not intel were advising congress! Fauci said no threat at the time to America in January !

you are selectively not even bothering to read your own links!  there is NO indication that fauci said there was "no threat to america."

 

DeGette, who serves as chair of House Energy and Commerce Oversight and Investigations panel, which oversees the CDC and NIH, said after the briefing that while the virus remains mostly contained in China, she remains concerned about the amount of time it will take to develop and deliver a vaccine to people throughout the U.S. should it start to spread here.

 

 

 

so buddy, if you'd like to report some "facts," start here:

 

Intelligence agencies “have been warning on this since January,” said a U.S. official who had access to intelligence reporting that was disseminated to members of Congress and their staffs as well as to officials in the Trump administration, and who, along with others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive information.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html

 

US intelligence officials reportedly warned President Donald Trump and Congress about the threats posed by the novel coronavirus beginning in early January — weeks before the White House and lawmakers began implementing stringent public health measures and as the president minimized the threat posed by the virus in his tweets and public statements.

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/21/21189179/coronavirus-trump-intelligence-reports-warned-pandemic

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-classify-coronavirus-deliberations-sources-idUSKBN20Y2LM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[earlinclaifornia]

22 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

 

you are selectively not even bothering to read your own links!  there is NO indication that fauci said there was "no threat to america."

 

DeGette, who serves as chair of House Energy and Commerce Oversight and Investigations panel, which oversees the CDC and NIH, said after the briefing that while the virus remains mostly contained in China, she remains concerned about the amount of time it will take to develop and deliver a vaccine to people throughout the U.S. should it start to spread here.

 

 

 

so buddy, if you'd like to report some "facts," start here:

 

Intelligence agencies “have been warning on this since January,” said a U.S. official who had access to intelligence reporting that was disseminated to members of Congress and their staffs as well as to officials in the Trump administration, and who, along with others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive information.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html

 

US intelligence officials reportedly warned President Donald Trump and Congress about the threats posed by the novel coronavirus beginning in early January — weeks before the White House and lawmakers began implementing stringent public health measures and as the president minimized the threat posed by the virus in his tweets and public statements.

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/21/21189179/coronavirus-trump-intelligence-reports-warned-pandemic

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-classify-coronavirus-deliberations-sources-idUSKBN20Y2LM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He does that ALL the time. I think he is not worth helping