In leaked call, Obama describes Trump handling of virus as chaotic

[RickG16]

7 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, because they didn't know what Obama thought before. ????????????

I think we all knew. But in general he has been quiet regarding Trump. 

[Sujo]

Trump supporters complaining about obama no following presidential protocol. You just couldnt make this stuff up.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

26 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Trump supporters complaining about obama no following presidential protocol. You just couldnt make this stuff up.

 

Just the other day, after George W. Bush was publicly calling for unity and not partisanship in dealing with the CV, Trump was publicly ripping him (I think via Twitter) complaining that Bush hadn't spoken up for him or supported him amidst the impeachment process....

 

Ya, Trump's a big believer in presidential custom and protocol.  

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495843-trump-rips-george-w-bush-after-he-issues-call-to-unite-amid

 

[Venom]

Gee, I wonder who leaked the call? ????

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Grumpy John said:

In ancient Greece President Trump would be made a god and given the job of POTUS for eternity....and USA would be a great place forever!  ????

Long ago one of the arguments for slavery was that some people were just meant to be slaves.  I think members of the Trump cult fit are like that; don't think, just believe and obey the master.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

LOL indeed...

 

Trump has much strategic vision, in contrast to his predecessors, who were weak on Immigration, China and the economy. I suppose you believe that wallowing in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan for decades and spending trillions was sound strategic vision.

 

Let's not blame Trump for the virus. That's exactly what the democrats are trying to do. They are using this opportunity to spin it that way in one last desperate attempt to win. Shame on them and anyone else trying to spin it this way.

If Trump had strategic vision he would have known that that the best way to contain China without war would have been to expand and define international trade using western rules by ratifying the Trans Pacific Partnership.  He'd recognize that in view of US demographics and an increasingly competitive world the US needs large scale controlled immigration.  Also he'd understand the obvious fact that when the economy is doing well a leader with strategic vision will reduce the federal deficit, not run it up.

[JensenZ]

45 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Just the other day, after George W. Bush was publicly calling for unity and not partisanship in dealing with the CV, Trump was publicly ripping him (I think via Twitter) complaining that Bush hadn't spoken up for him or supported him amidst the impeachment process....

 

Ya, Trump's a big believer in presidential custom and protocol.  

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495843-trump-rips-george-w-bush-after-he-issues-call-to-unite-amid

 

Ya, and that's why he is president, because he doesn't concern himself with presidential custom. What protocol? Who's protocol? Is there a presidential course that one must take in order to become president? Maybe they will teach candicates to keep their hands off the voters and not to sniff their hair.

[JensenZ]

28 minutes ago, heybruce said:

If Trump had strategic vision he would have known that that the best way to contain China without war would have been to expand and define international trade using western rules by ratifying the Trans Pacific Partnership.  He'd recognize that in view of US demographics and an increasingly competitive world the US needs large scale controlled immigration.  Also he'd understand the obvious fact that when the economy is doing well a leader with strategic vision will reduce the federal deficit, not run it up.

Obviously you don't like his strategic vision, but this is a debate that could go on forever. 

 

None of that matters now as the economy of the whole western world has shut down. I take it you blame him for that too?

[candide]

26 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Obviously you don't like his strategic vision, but this is a debate that could go on forever. 

 

None of that matters now as the economy of the whole western world has shut down. I take it you blame him for that too?

SK didn't need nationwide shutdown. Why?

[candide]

4 hours ago, Opl said:

LOL

China largely prefers Trump to Obama or any Dem 

You can count on China to be pragmatic:

China Loves Trump The people love a winner. The leadership loves a dupe.

Trump's lack of strategic vision is going to make China great again

 

Quite right. And China surely didn't want Hillary to be elected!

 

"Hillary Clinton: The China hawk"

https://www.ft.com/content/92b23c8e-7349-11e6-bf48-b372cdb1043a

"By inserting the US directly into the arguments over the South China Sea, Mrs Clinton’s Hanoi statement was, in effect, the launch of the pivot, the moment the US declared to the region — and to Beijing — that the US would not sit aside as China tried to establish itself as the regional leader."

https://www.ft.com/content/92b23c8e-7349-11e6-bf48-b372cdb1043a

Some people have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Ya, and that's why he is president, because he doesn't concern himself with presidential custom. What protocol? Who's protocol? Is there a presidential course that one must take in order to become president? Maybe they will teach candicates to keep their hands off the voters and not to sniff their hair.

Maybe they should teach candidates not to grab women by the p***y and brag about it.

 

3 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Obviously you don't like his strategic vision, but this is a debate that could go on forever. 

 

None of that matters now as the economy of the whole western world has shut down. I take it you blame him for that too?

No, I blame Trump for leaving the country in a much worse position to deal with the pandemic.  His shortsightedness and obsession with ratings over science left the country poorly prepared, with an already greatly expanded deficit before stimulus measures, and without critical people who could have helped deal with the situation.

[stevenl]

9 hours ago, Mick501 said:

Yeah, you might wanna take another look at that post.   Close your eyes and squeeze really hard, and maybe you'll have a light bulb moment.  If not.....then I wish you well with your crusade to rid the Internet of spelling errors.    Maybe when that's eradicated, you can focus on grammar.

I know exactly what you did in that post, no worries.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, heybruce said:

You think race problems in the US are because President Obama had a feuding police officer and professor sit together in the White House? 

 

I think you are crediting that one minor and largely forgotten event with far more significance than it warrants.

Wasn't minor once the POTUS interfered in a local matter and not forgotten.

 

What is minor, is the OP. It's so minor it doesn't even figure here. I've heard no mention of it at all.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Wasn't minor once the POTUS interfered in a local matter and not forgotten.

 

What is minor, is the OP. It's so minor it doesn't even figure here. I've heard no mention of it at all.

I see.  How do you feel about Trump encouraging protests against lock-downs in states with Democratic governors, while discouraging a relaxation of the lock-down in Georgia under Republican Governor Kemp?  Do these qualify as interference in local matters?

 

You'll be happy to address that question.  It is definitely part of Trump's chaotic handling of the pandemic.

[Sujo]

Trump thinks obama was a bad president. Strange that he spends a lot of time trying to, but failing, to prove he is as good as a president he considers bad.

[samran]

8 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Ya, and that's why he is president, because he doesn't concern himself with presidential custom. What protocol? Who's protocol? Is there a presidential course that one must take in order to become president? Maybe they will teach candicates to keep their hands off the voters and not to sniff their hair.

So other former presidents (bush/obama) not following 'custom' is somehow still worth criticizing? I mean, from a guy who dumps on obama all the time, but a right of response is somehow not allowed.

 

Hypocrisy at its finest.

[simple1]

trump's attempt at rebuttal...

 

trump accuses Obama of "biggest political crime in US history"

 

The tweet echoed previous messages retweeted by Trump, which earned rebukes for relaying conspiracy theories. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/trump-obama-biggest-political-american-history-russia-michael-flynn

[earlinclaifornia]

16 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Perhaps you jest. You don't need a leader who looks down on half the voting public as a basket of deplorables... and someone stupid enough to say that in the middle of an election campaign.

Very surprised to see how inaccurate you are and wonder out loud just where have you been since 2016 such a long time.

[spidermike007]

Calling this response chaotic, was an incredibly diplomatic thing to say. It has been downright awful. It is far worse than the Bush response to Katrina, which was another historic failure of the American people. Trump has failed his biggest  test. He needs to be replaced. The election could not come soon enough. Bye bye Don!

[Kelsall]

Of course Obama is lashing out at Trump. Obama knows he's in big trouble with Obamagate, now trending on social media.

[ChouDoufu]

12 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Ya, and that's why he is president, because he doesn't concern himself with presidential custom. What protocol? Who's protocol? Is there a presidential course that one must take in order to become president? Maybe they will teach candicates to keep their hands off the voters and not to sniff their hair.

are you now secretly implying that biden IS fit to be president?

 

there is now a media kerfluffle about his actions regarding ladies, and possibly even a lawsuit because, now get this, the lady claims "he grabbed her by the pussy."

 

if that's not following presidential protocol, i dunno what is!

 

MAGA!  (make america gropey again!)

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Calling this response chaotic, was an incredibly diplomatic thing to say. It has been downright awful. It is far worse than the Bush response to Katrina, which was another historic failure of the American people. Trump has failed his biggest  test. He needs to be replaced. The election could not come soon enough. Bye bye Don!

"...Calling this response chaotic, was an incredibly diplomatic thing to say. It has been downright awful."  Please change the word awful to derelict. 

[scorecard]

3 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

are you now secretly implying that biden IS fit to be president?

 

there is now a media kerfluffle about his actions regarding ladies, and possibly even a lawsuit because, now get this, the lady claims "he grabbed her by the pussy."

 

if that's not following presidential protocol, i dunno what is!

 

MAGA!  (make america gropey again!)

Strange, she was interviewed just 2 days ago and said that didn't happen, she was referring to basic over friendliness. 

[ChouDoufu]

15 hours ago, JensenZ said:

LOL indeed...

 

Trump has much strategic vision, in contrast to his predecessors, who were weak on Immigration, China and the economy. I suppose you believe that wallowing in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan for decades and spending trillions was sound strategic vision.

 

Let's not blame Trump for the virus. That's exactly what the democrats are trying to do. They are using this opportunity to spin it that way in one last desperate attempt to win. Shame on them and anyone else trying to spin it this way.

 

i'll definitely give you that point.  trump did pull all the troops out of iraq, and syria, and afghanistan,   it warms my maga heart to know he left them as fledgling jeffersonian democracies, creating a more stabler muddled east.  it's super awesome that we are no longer supporting the war in yemen, as well as random regime-change operations around the world.

 

it's just extra confeve that our military is no longer suffering casualties in senseless wars, and no longer killing innocent civilians.  that was bigly wise of him!  now that he's considering stripping china of sovereign immunity, we could also become the target of lawsuits by other countries and individuals.  it would be a real shame if ICC investiga.....oh, right.

Edited May 11, 2020 by ChouDoufu
stupid auto correct! confeve!

[ChouDoufu]

23 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Strange, she was interviewed just 2 days ago and said that didn't happen, she was referring to basic over friendliness. 

 

i'm confused.  are you saying when she confirms he did it, she meant he didn't do it?  maybe she was just being sarcastic?

 

as for "creepy joe", just following doctor trump's garbled advice....bringing light into the body, through the skin....or some other way.

[candide]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

trump's attempt at rebuttal...

 

trump accuses Obama of "biggest political crime in US history"

 

The tweet echoed previous messages retweeted by Trump, which earned rebukes for relaying conspiracy theories. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/trump-obama-biggest-political-american-history-russia-michael-flynn

What a ridiculous deflection campaign. Trump must feel hopeless. 

[Lacessit]

15 hours ago, JensenZ said:

LOL indeed...

 

Trump has much strategic vision, in contrast to his predecessors, who were weak on Immigration, China and the economy. I suppose you believe that wallowing in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan for decades and spending trillions was sound strategic vision.

 

Let's not blame Trump for the virus. That's exactly what the democrats are trying to do. They are using this opportunity to spin it that way in one last desperate attempt to win. Shame on them and anyone else trying to spin it this way.

Trump's strategic vision consists of reneging on any alliances, cosying up to dictators such as Putin and Kim Il Jong, and generally trashing any faith other countries had in American stability. Appointing an oil industry executive as the Secretary of the Environment demonstrates his regard for that area.

 

In Australia, there is serious questioning of the worth of an alliance with a country that has become untrustworthy. We have made ourselves a nuclear target for the US, but get diddly squat back out of it except vague promises of coming to our aid.

 

No-one is blaming Trump for the virus. They are quite justifiably blaming him for being asleep at the wheel. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I could also blame him for gutting funding to the organisations who are first in line to deal with a pandemic, in order to ensure a disproportionate number of the poor and vulnerable die. Trump looks after the rich, the poor are expendable.

 

Australia was one of the first countries to react to the pandemic. America was one of the slowest. Australia has 97 coronavirus deaths, the USA over 80,000. IMO Obama is understating what a shambles the White House is presiding over.

 

[Nigel Garvie]

28 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

i'll definitely give you that point.  trump did pull all the troops out of iraq, and syria, and afghanistan,   it warms my maga heart to know he left them as fledgling jeffersonian democracies, creating a more stabler muddled east.  it's super awesome that we are no longer supporting the war in yemen, as well as random regime-change operations around the world.

 

it's just extra confeve that our military is no longer suffering casualties in senseless wars, and no longer killing innocent civilians.  that was bigly wise of him!  now that he's considering stripping china of sovereign immunity, we could also become the target of lawsuits by other countries and individuals.  it would be a real shame if ICC investiga.....oh, right.

Funny you should say that. I was just preparing to sue the US for the fact that their twisted bankers with their CDS etc, totally wreaked the world economy from 2008 on for many years. Nice little retirement nest egg I hoped.

[Lacessit]

54 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Strange, she was interviewed just 2 days ago and said that didn't happen, she was referring to basic over friendliness. 

Have you seen a photo of the woman making the accusation? Jesus, Biden would have had to be blind drunk AND senile to even think about it. Ugly as a hatful of bums.

[ChouDoufu]

17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Have you seen a photo of the woman making the accusation? Jesus, Biden would have had to be blind drunk AND senile to even think about it. Ugly as a hatful of bums.

 

nice.  you think she's ugly, 27 years after the alleged incident.

 

are you implying that makes her a liar?  if she gets botox and fake boobs, will that make the allegations believable?