Govt slams criticism of move to extend state of emergency

[Jai Dee]

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[robertson468]

I still think that this extension is more about stopping the Students coming on to the streets to demonstrate against what they term is "military and autocratic rule". 

 

But at the end of the day, the lovely Thai population do not want confrontation and fear those in power, therefore are more likely to roll over and starve for yet another month.  So, so sad.  I am also surprised at the lack of demonstration regarding the Government failing to feed the starving people!

[eddiebat]

1 hour ago, sammieuk1 said:

A committee is needed to form a sub committee to find if its illogical to say its illogical that's why I don't believe a word she says ????

 

1 hour ago, sammieuk1 said:

A committee is needed to form a sub committee to find if its illogical to say its illogical that's why I don't believe a word she says ????

If I were to form a committee, to form a sub committee to ascertain if it is indeed illogical, to say it is illogical then my sub committee would inevitably concur and forward the logical logic that it is illogical to say its illogical to apply such logic as to be in disagreement with you therefore, both our committees would be in agreement Logically that we don't believe a word she say.  LOL

[checkered flag]

8 minutes ago, robertson468 said:

I still think that this extension is more about stopping the Students coming on to the streets to demonstrate against what they term is "military and autocratic rule". 

 

But at the end of the day, the lovely Thai population do not want confrontation and fear those in power, therefore are more likely to roll over and starve for yet another month.  So, so sad.  I am also surprised at the lack of demonstration regarding the Government failing to feed the starving people!

I never thought the emergency rule would go away easily and maybe last a lot longer. The ER feels more like a coup without tanks or guns. 

It prevents (maybe) organized student demonstrations, though.

[timendres]

21 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Really. So please supply the links to all the numbers and conclusions that are "in".

Feel free. They are everywhere.

[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

The government has slammed as "illogical" insinuations that the extension of the state of emergency for a month was a way for the prime minister to tighten his hold on power.

 

No. That's exactly what it is. Military will always try to hang on to power once they have it. This is evidenced by history and current junta's or junta's in disguise. No difference here. Coup. Rig election to make yourself look lagit. Take advantage of any situation to cement and extend power.

[DirtyHarry55]

1 hour ago, JimGant said:

And if they had cancelled the state of emergency, and not extended it to June 30? Well, then, the third and fourth phases of lockdown relaxation would be axed. And this four phase approach to opening up is, to me, really sensible planning -- every 15 days, reevaluate the situation and move to the next phase accordingly. Thailand should be given credit -- and it has been -- for a systematic and well-thought out approach to this crisis. This is all uncharted territory for all countries, and it will take years to sort out whether the Swedish approach, or others, were the right way. But so far, Prayut seems to have his feet on the ground -- and so far no beer bellies with semi-automatic rifles across the chest, and with MTGA hats -- have appeared on the streets. (Yeah, yeah, yeah - junta laws, suppressing freedom, are the reason for that; but, a little silver lining in every cloud....)

They don't even know yet what 3rd and forth stage relaxation will be they make it up as they go along.
I'll bet after the 30 days it will be extended for another 30 days.
The big problem with Emergency Decree is the government can't be held accountable for anything it does and that's dangerous.
 

[DrTuner]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

Spoken like a true National Socialist. Eliminate the old, weak, infirm, and of course the racially impure. And let the rest of us prosper.

Far from a nazi, I hate authoritarian regimes, but that's the hard core of it. Sacrifice the vulnerable or share the burden. It will be a forced decision in countries like Thailand that are unable to set up a working test & trace network. 

 

Of course, Thailand is based on Mussolini's ideals thanks to Phibun, so should not really be a surprised if it's fascist.

[n00dle]

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

They don't even pretend to understand how democracies work. Their job isn't to tell us how something is good or bad; it's to explain why. If you can't explain why, you're simply abusing your power.

 

 

They have made it very clear that thai democracy is "different"

[n00dle]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Spoken like a true National Socialist. Eliminate the old, weak, infirm, and of course the racially impure. And let the rest of us prosper.

 

One thing about an emergency, brings out people's true colors.

 

Nothing in the tone here says he is advocating this approach but that it may be necessary choice.

 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by n00dle

[n00dle]

1 hour ago, JimGant said:

That they would give much credit to the babble of this TV crowd would really be amazing -- and disheartening.

It is disheartening to think that the demographic here could be considered representative of popular western opinion, but sadly  it is one of asias most visible expat forums.

 

Whether they credit it or not, many of the opinions expressed here daily could easily be used as a rallying point for anti-foreign sentiment.

 

If thais were to become half as enraged about some of the posts here as folk here did over anutin's remarks it would be unfortunate.

[n00dle]

1 hour ago, checkered flag said:

I never thought the emergency rule would go away easily and maybe last a lot longer. The ER feels more like a coup without tanks or guns. 

It prevents (maybe) organized student demonstrations, though.

I am personally thankful that my "lockdown" experience was relatively painless.

 

Bring back the booze ban and give me back my pool please.

Edited May 22, 2020 by n00dle

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You mean like those Western countries seem to be doing ?

Yes most countries, they've copied each other

[Almer]

4 hours ago, timendres said:

Then you believe that crippling their economy will not do them any damage? If ever there was a reason for a government to fall...

There is of course a risk but consider that against another outbreak this time in line with other countries 30.000 dead, hospitals unable to cope and another lockdown  this time  for 4 months, i suspect this the reason for the caution, generally a PM has control of his country he dosnt need to do anything like a lockdown.

[Mac98]

I suspect there will be a lot of small business owners who will start setting their own standards as to what is logical. Knock three times on the back door.

[martinhp]

4 hours ago, BobbyL said:

To be fair to these chumps, extending it for the time being is the logical step. 

That's the point 

The emergency is to get rid of the government so better extend it until they do. 

The virus never been a big problem not because of their actions. 

I think phuket had the virus already in February probably before. 

But no major outbreak. 

But from af boxing stadium Medium outbreak. 

That's is experience it means open bars does not have the same risk as a indoor boxing night. 

There are already a lot we learned. 

Chinese love shopping malls and no major outbreak. 

Chinese love group travel and still no major outbreak. 

And only a fool believe all this Chinese where all corona free. 

So if they used common sense there have never been an emergency. 

Same as nobody declare emergency without telling why. 

So either they like this opportunity or they are even less fortunate with the top floor, it seems like they create a nice ecco.

Personally I believe it is both. 

But only emergency is to get them transferred to a place where they can't get out ever. And that would be the fair part

[natway09]

I think you are overplaying this a bit on here,

The emergency decree is so they can control things. (Somebody has too)

Within that they can allow places to open like the restaurants have, reduce the curfew which i am sure will be further reduced in a weeks time, 

allow booze to be sold for home use etc. They will change the rules for the better as long as things 

do not start going backwards.

Have a look at what has happened in Sweden this week after they allowed all to open wily nily

It is painful reading

[metisdead]

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Referring to Thailand or the government as a dictatorship, military dictatorship or other such terms will be removed.

 

 

[Rodjrin]

Post #48. Why?

[JimGant]

4 hours ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

The big problem with Emergency Decree is the government can't be held accountable for anything it does and that's dangerous.

Certainly it can be held accountable for everything it does -- and doesn't -- do re Corvid 19. And we won't know if what they've done, or not done, was the correct approach -- until extensive analysis several years down the road, when Thailand and all other countries will be held up to the light -- for a kudo, or not. Meanwhile, it's 'damned if you do, damned if you don't.' I'm certainly happy that Prayut, and not the rice lady, is at the helm. But, we'll need to await the final report to see how he did.

[RichardColeman]

The videos my Thai friends are now circulating in FB shows the villagers getting mighty unhappy with officials now

[metisdead]

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[ukrules]

9 hours ago, martinhp said:

I think phuket had the virus already in February probably before.

Long before...they reckon there's a case in France from mid November.

 

It's been around a lot longer than people seem to realise.

[soalbundy]

14 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I think slamming something as "'illogical" is our governments way of pretending they are surprised when their lies are questioned. There is need to be cautious yes, but the emergency seems to be receding so extraordinary measures are themselves "'illogical."

Meanwhile China has a second wave of infections, Germany has relaxed the lockdown and a sudden rise in infections has taken place. I know it is a difficult decision to make between financial collapse and a rise in deaths, It will take a brave administration to take these decisions, I'm glad it isn't up to me. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[samsensam]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

Meanwhile China has a second wave of infections, Germany has relaxed the lockdown and a sudden rise in infections has taken place. I know it is a difficult decision to make between financial collapse and a rise in deaths, It will take a brave administration to take these decisions, I'm glad it isn't up to me. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

 

has thailand even had the first wave? 56 deaths from the virus so far, compared with, on average, 33 deaths per day on the roads... and only just over 3000 cases in a population of 69 million... more a trickle than a wave...

Edited May 22, 2020 by samsensam

[davemos]

There are breaches everywhere buses BTS queues for motorcycle taxis ( social distancing on a motorcycle ?) Hundreds out of work .Economy devastated and the infection rates are really low .Say nothing .

[pineapple01]

2 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Meanwhile China has a second wave of infections, Germany has relaxed the lockdown and a sudden rise in infections has taken place. I know it is a difficult decision to make between financial collapse and a rise in deaths, It will take a brave administration to take these decisions, I'm glad it isn't up to me. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

That says it all, but the ME Me generation still wont understand.

[hotchilli]

17 hours ago, webfact said:

The spokeswoman explained that the NSC is extending the state of emergency since it could save people’s lives from the Covid-19 risk

No new infections, no new deaths nationwide... yeah okay!!

[tomauasia]

22 hours ago, BobbyL said:

To be fair to these chumps, extending it for the time being is the logical step. 

No not good no reason to extend. This is purely to starve the bar owners out so these crooks can build a casino. Flights must resume and stop standing over Thai nationals. Starving people thousands lining for food. Most not supplied by that little old man. Like Thaksin said a mistake by little ego driven patient

[tomauasia]

22 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I think slamming something as "'illogical" is our governments way of pretending they are surprised when their lies are questioned. There is need to be cautious yes, but the emergency seems to be receding so extraordinary measures are themselves "'illogical."

They want to end bar business. It was a impossible task to get rid of Pattaya entertainment proprietors. This is a golden moment. It was obvious when they offered no food Starving people on the street. 

You have to be stupid to believe there building a LAS VEGAS style holiday in to look after bar stool tourists. And many other buildings rising. These old blokes have done a casino deal. Huge road connections completed etc.