'What planet are they on?' No respite for UK's Johnson and aide

[jimmyswale]

14 hours ago, evadgib said:

The Press wouldn't be happy if he threw himself on the floor and begged for forgiveness.

This is the biggest non-story I have ever bothered to look for. It's utter nonsense.

As non stories go it right up there with the fake moon landing...

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Apparently 52% of the population think Cummings should resign.

Surely the will of the people should be respected.

Not according to momentum?

 

 

[jimmyswale]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I can imagine the type of neighbours he has. 

 

Guardian reading, Europhile Labour voters. Virtue signallers, desperate to help the media in their quest to be judge, jury and executioner of the evil Brexiteer.

 

Same as Boris' neighbours. Sniveling little panty sniffers, huddled up in the dark recording a domestic argument through the walls and then selling it to a tabloid newspaper ????.

 

Pathetic specimens. The mighty Dominic Cummings will soar above them all like an eagle, amused at the rats scurrying around beneath him looking for scraps.

 

 

 

 

didn't quite work out like that though did it.... nothing wrong with panty sniffing either..

[jimmyswale]

Also, re the rumour his son is autistic- I suspect it was put out there on Twitter to see how it would fly (a really common strategy), as perhaps his son is actually autistic, but the backlash and outrage at this in the autism community in those few hours was so strong that they abandoned that line of defence. Who knows, perhaps the half hour delay to the press conference was on account of a swift re-write of the statement as a result of this!

[Logosone]

21 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

I fail to see how the drive to Bernard Castle is reasonable excuse, going for a drive to see if fit to drive. 

The Barnard Castle episode is full of contradiction.

The instinct to protect his family involved driving 260m to be near family, but was prepared to place them in a car whilst he drove unsure of his fitness to drive.

The previous day he had seemed out medical expertise who had cleared him to return to work.Did this medical not include the apparent visual worries.

 

I understand what you're saying, and it sounds counter-intuitive to go on a drive to check your eye-sight. I understand the internet is having a lot of fun with this. However, given the circumstances, if you're going on a very long drive and have doubts about your physical fitness to drive, then going on a shorter drive could be seen as reasonable preparation for a longer drive. 

 

For one of the supposedly smartest people surrounding BJ it does sound odd why he would take his family on these supposed "test drives". If he had had a real problem his family would have been in the car with him. Better judgement would have said 'drive alone' to do the test drive.

 

That doesn't mean it didn't happen how Cummings says it happened.

 

It seems clear though he did not go on a major leisure outing in Barnard Castle, the way some had thought. Only one person saw him, and Cummings confirmed this was the case.

[jimmyswale]

8 minutes ago, Logosone said:

I understand what you're saying, and it sounds counter-intuitive to go on a drive to check your eye-sight. I understand the internet is having a lot of fun with this. However, given the circumstances, if you're going on a very long drive and have doubts about your physical fitness to drive, then going on a shorter drive could be seen as reasonable preparation for a longer drive. 

 

For one of the supposedly smartest people surrounding BJ it does sound odd why he would take his family on these supposed "test drives". If he had had a real problem his family would have been in the car with him. Better judgement would have said 'drive alone' to do the test drive.

 

That doesn't mean it didn't happen how Cummings says it happened.

 

It seems clear though he did not go on a major leisure outing in Barnard Castle, the way some had thought. Only one person saw him, and Cummings confirmed this was the case.

It is as clear as mud though now isn't it ? The whole narrative is constructed around caring for his family and then he takes his son on a potentially dangerous drive to test his driving. It's plain nonsense and calls any judgement he professes to have into stark relief along with the utterly misjudged trip in the first place. They are hoping they can sweat this out and it will blow over in a few days. We shall see. It was him , his wife and Johnson that coked up this nonsense in haste and it shows. 

Edited May 26, 2020 by jimmyswale

[Phil McCaverty]

17 minutes ago, jimmyswale said:

Also, re the rumour his son is autistic- I suspect it was put out there on Twitter to see how it would fly (a really common strategy), as perhaps his son is actually autistic, but the backlash and outrage at this in the autism community in those few hours was so strong that they abandoned that line of defence. Who knows, perhaps the half hour delay to the press conference was on account of a swift re-write of the statement as a result of this!

More likely to be that Durham police had just announced that they had received a number of other reports concerning Cummings in recent days and were investigating them.

[KhaoNiaw]

The man's a complete fraud. He claimed yesterday he warned against a coronavirus in a blog last year. But it's been shown from the internet archive Wayback Machine he only edited the entry to include the coronavirus reference last month, the day after he returned to London from Durham.
He's either a lot less intelligent than he thinks or is deflecting attention from something potentially much bigger. 

[Logosone]

17 minutes ago, jimmyswale said:

It is as clear as mud though now isn't it ? The whole narrative is constructed around caring for his family and then he takes his son on a potentially dangerous drive to test his driving. It's plain nonsense and calls any judgement he professes to have into stark relief along with the utterly misjudged trip in the first place. They are hoping they can sweat this out and it will blow over in a few days. We shall see. 

Yes, the whole narrative is constructed around caring for his family. That doesn't mean it is not also true.

 

His rationale for taking the son on a drive may have been that he must take him on the long drive anyway, so why not take him on the short test drive. Plus he himself was not feeling well, so he may have preferred his wife with him. 

 

 

[jimmyswale]

31 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Yes, the whole narrative is constructed around caring for his family. That doesn't mean it is not also true.

 

His rationale for taking the son on a drive may have been that he must take him on the long drive anyway, so why not take him on the short test drive. Plus he himself was not feeling well, so he may have preferred his wife with him. 

 

 

I think we are failing the Occam's Razor test with your stretch points there. Which says he went on a short drive on his wife's birthday to a nearby riverside bank beauty spot when the rest of the country was on extreme lockdown and knows he was seen when his parent's house already  had extensive grounds, fields and woods. A lot of people including Tory voters are livid at the constant lying and Bolsonaro esque contempt for truth at a time of national jeopardy and rightly so. 

Edited May 26, 2020 by jimmyswale

[puipuitom]

20 hours ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

...until they do i see no evidence that Cummings did anything that any other parent wouldn't have done

THE question is: did Cummings something other British citizens were NOT allowed to or not ? If No =what the fuzz. If YES, face the consequences. Reminding in the UK, the Elite still have more freedom as the normal British citizen, do not be surprised...

You british voted overwhelmingly ( thanks to the"winner takes it all-system) for Boris Dominic Johnson-Cummings, so.. this is where you voted for. 

 

The difference between the Dutch p.m. and the British leaders.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/26/dutch-pm-mark-rutte-did-not-visit-dying-mother-due-to-covid-19-restrictions?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0yMDA1MjY%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK

[Baerboxer]

40 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

More likely to be that Durham police had just announced that they had received a number of other reports concerning Cummings in recent days and were investigating them.

 

Interesting unraveling going on. Durham Police Force used to be, IMO, one of the better forces in the UK and had an excellent Chief Constable. There handling of this affair has been good so far. Now we have to wait and see what transpires from their further inquiries.

 

If a complaint is received by the police, they are required to investigate it. 

 

Now, the 4 Labour MP's who broke the law are not under any investigation because they freely admit it. Safe in the knowledge that their leader isn't remotely interested.

[tribalfusion001]

Apparently it was his wifes birthday on the day on the Barnard Castle "I need to test my eyes on a 60 mile round trip" flagrant breach of the lockdown rules at the time.

 

I use to like Boris years ago, but he a poor PM with sub standard ministers like Hancock, Patel and Raab who plain useless and patronising.

[jimmyswale]

 

A decent Tory there are still plenty of them with morals and integrity. 

Edited May 26, 2020 by jimmyswale

[BillStrangeOgre]

12 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

THE question is: did Cummings something other British citizens were NOT allowed to or not ? If No =what the fuzz. If YES, face the consequences. Reminding in the UK, the Elite still have more freedom as the normal British citizen, do not be surprised...

You british voted overwhelmingly ( thanks to the"winner takes it all-system) for Boris Dominic Johnson-Cummings, so.. this is where you voted for. 

 

The difference between the Dutch p.m. and the British leaders.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/26/dutch-pm-mark-rutte-did-not-visit-dying-mother-due-to-covid-19-restrictions?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0yMDA1MjY%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK

My point is he did what the average Brit would have done in the same situation (drive to Durham) and many already have...

Edited May 26, 2020 by BillStrangeOgre

[Baerboxer]

6 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

THE question is: did Cummings something other British citizens were NOT allowed to or not ? If No =what the fuzz. If YES, face the consequences. Reminding in the UK, the Elite still have more freedom as the normal British citizen, do not be surprised...

You british voted overwhelmingly ( thanks to the"winner takes it all-system) for Boris Dominic Johnson-Cummings, so.. this is where you voted for. 

 

The difference between the Dutch p.m. and the British leaders.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/26/dutch-pm-mark-rutte-did-not-visit-dying-mother-due-to-covid-19-restrictions?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0yMDA1MjY%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK

 

If Cummings did as he initially claimed, made one trip and then self quarantined for 14 days after arriving in Durham, due to concerns about the continued welfare of his possibly autistic child, then there is a strong argument he had reasonable cause, as per the guidelines.

 

However, if he made more than one trip, went out and about during the quarantine period, and deliberately lied to conceal that, then he must be fired or resign.

 

However, we also have 4 Labour MP. one a shadow Minister, who admit to breaking the law. No apology, no remorse, no comment from their party leader. A clearer example of entitled elites sticking their middle finger up to the electorate they supposedly serve you couldn't wish for.

 

What happens in the Netherlands is irrelevant. Each country handles this differently. But I don't think you'd see such blatant political bias and hypocrisy there. IME Dutch people would apply to all equally, not selectively based on a political agenda. And that is something that needs to be learned. Because the current Labour leader puts politics before justice and right,

[stevenl]

24 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Interesting unraveling going on. Durham Police Force used to be, IMO, one of the better forces in the UK and had an excellent Chief Constable. There handling of this affair has been good so far. Now we have to wait and see what transpires from their further inquiries.

 

If a complaint is received by the police, they are required to investigate it. 

 

Now, the 4 Labour MP's who broke the law are not under any investigation because they freely admit it. Safe in the knowledge that their leader isn't remotely interested.

Those 4 labour MP's were not involved in drawing up these rules, admitted violating the rules, did not try to obfuscate the issue, can be removed by their constituents if they so please, are not the topic of this thread.

As you can see many differences.

Edited May 26, 2020 by stevenl

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

If Cummings did as he initially claimed, made one trip and then self quarantined for 14 days after arriving in Durham, due to concerns about the continued welfare of his possibly autistic child, then there is a strong argument he had reasonable cause, as per the guidelines.

 

However, if he made more than one trip, went out and about during the quarantine period, and deliberately lied to conceal that, then he must be fired or resign.

 

However, we also have 4 Labour MP. one a shadow Minister, who admit to breaking the law. No apology, no remorse, no comment from their party leader. A clearer example of entitled elites sticking their middle finger up to the electorate they supposedly serve you couldn't wish for.

 

What happens in the Netherlands is irrelevant. Each country handles this differently. But I don't think you'd see such blatant political bias and hypocrisy there. IME Dutch people would apply to all equally, not selectively based on a political agenda. And that is something that needs to be learned. Because the current Labour leader puts politics before justice and right,

Really sad you try to twist the topic about labour.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Not according to momentum?

 

 

 

Aw, you pi33ed on his parade!

 

Typical Yorkshireman - facts, truth and reality, thank God.

[jimmyswale]

The problem for many Tories including the new ones is that they are generally fairly decent folk with integrity and morals and the utterly mendacious nature of Johnson and his inner cabal rightly disgusts them. They are holding their noses at the moment but when the time comes to wield the knives there will be many hands on the dagger. He spending his political capital like a drunk gambler in a casino.

[Phil McCaverty]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Lying cannot be accepted, and he must go.

 

And then you agree, so must the 4 Labour MP's who broke the rules very clearly?

Agreed. What time will Cummings be kicked out of Number 10?

[jimmyswale]

Just now, Phil McCaverty said:

Agreed. What time will Cummings be kicked out of Number 10?

I'll personally hang Kinnock if it helps...

[Baerboxer]

Just now, stevenl said:

Really sad you try to twist the topic about labour.

 

You mean sad that 4 Labour MPs transgressions and their leader's apathy can't be swept under the carpet.

 

Once you allow a justice system to be subservient to political will and agendas you threaten democracy. An independent justice system, fair and impartial to all, evenly applied, without regard for political agendas and correctness, is a cornerstone of democracy.

 

I think it's sad how arrogant entitles MPs, lawmakers, can show such contempt for their electorate and the law. And worse still, their Leader's apathy to it, considering he's a former DPP. Albeit with a dubious record.

 

 

[tribalfusion001]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52806086

 

Junior minister Douglas Ross resigns saying Dominic Cummings' view on lockdown guidance 'not shared by majority'

 

And it rumbles on...

 

Edited May 26, 2020 by tribalfusion001

[jimmyswale]

So many smoking guns .....not too ill to drive 260 miles though....

 

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/04/an-infectious-uncertainty/

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Agreed. What time will Cummings be kicked out of Number 10?

 

The two things are not connected by time. We have to await the report from Durham Police after they've completed their inquiries. Given the acting Commissioner and Chief Constable are on it, that shouldn't be too long. If he shown to have been lying, unquestionably, then he should be dismissed immediately. He's an employee.

 

The 4 Labour MP's must be hounded in the same way by the press until they resign. They are free to stand for election again, thereby giving their electorate the chance to re-elect or not.

[Baerboxer]

3 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52806086

 

Junior minister Douglas Ross resigns saying Dominic Cummings' view on lockdown guidance 'not shared by majority'

 

And it rumbles on...

 

 

It's becoming clear that a great many in the Conservative Party, Conservative MP's and government, don't like Cummings to say the least!

 

Shame Ross has resigned. He should've just waited. If Cummings is shown to have lied. then he will have to go.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I agree with you here - in isolation, it is a trivial matter that does not merit the attention it is receiving. However, within the context of the lockdown, people are justifiably outraged at his claim for special circumstances. I am sure that most people will agree that his circumstances were not exceptional; in fact, they were incredibly mild and mundane compared the real difficulties and sacrifices people made up and down the country. 

 

Contrast his selfish, arrogant behaviour with that of the parents of the 13 year old boy who died alone in hospital - and who was later buried alone. That is why people are angry.

The problem is, those defending Cummings will not open their ears to the political reality that arises from his ignoring the same rules others suffered under but obeyed for the public good.

[Phil McCaverty]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

The 4 Labour MP's must be hounded in the same way by the press until they resign. They are free to stand for election again, thereby giving their electorate the chance to re-elect or not.

Probably true but we are talking about Cummings in this thread, a government employee who was the architect of regulations designed to save thousands of lives, regulations he drove a coach and horses through. I don't think he should resign, I think he should be sacked.....today.

[3NUMBAS]

a witch hunt by the lefty press sore at losing to bojo and co ..all they can do is muck rake as they cant get back into power as their heartlands hev been destroyed by the torys    ..sniping from the sidelines is all they can do now 55555

 

itll be  forgotten a month just like stephen kiinnocks visit to see neil kinnock for london to wales

Edited May 26, 2020 by 3NUMBAS