Attack on Taiwan an option to stop independence, top China general says

[ratcatcher]

16 hours ago, robblok said:

This is a fight against an army that has far more people and also has the technology and its supply bases lie far closer then those of the US. 

You make good arguments here, but, Taiwan being an island, would be more difficult for a massive army to invade. (Hitler discovered that in 1940). The Chinese have made more enemies than friends in the region. The USA should be able to count on the backing of Australia, Japan, S.Korea, U.K. and a few others.  The Taiwan Strait is 110 miles wide, 5 times wider than the English Channel.,

Although China presents a formidable force, there is no guarantee who will back them in any move to take Taiwan. Russia?

Okinawa is the closest supply base for the US and even that is debatable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act

[Deerculler]

China has ambitions to rule the world.

Sometime, somewhere it will happen.

They have tried it by using money.

[hotchilli]

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Although China has never renounced the use of force to bring Taiwan under its control, it is rare for a top, serving military officer to so explicitly make the threat in a public setting. The comments are especially striking amid international opprobrium over China passing new national security legislation for Chinese-run Hong Kong.

And there you have it.. bring it on I say, call Chinas bluff.

If they use force to re-take Hong Kong or Taiwan then the world will shun China....

close all links with them I say and show them the world will not stand bye and watch another  tiananmen square unfold !

[BeltAndRoad]

9 minutes ago, Deerculler said:

They have tried it by using money.

Hmmmm ok......

[Mavideol]

16 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

China is just a school bully, Taiwan ROC has never been part of the PRC. Even Hong Kong was not part the PRC it was leased from Qing Dynasty in 1898.

correct, if HK, Taiwan, Macao were part of China why do Chinese need a visa to enter

[Mavideol]

Everyone Knows China Is Building a World-Class Military. But They Need to Ask Why.

Simple: Beijing fears the past. 

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/everyone-knows-china-building-world-class-military-they-need-ask-why-26291

 

China said they were friendly/peaceful neighbors no intentions of attacking anybody..... hummm Vietnam and Philippines may disagree with that comment and they are challenging India as well, China can grab anything they want in the SCSea but India can not built a road in the Himalayas

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-india-border-why-tensions-230216989.html

China-India border: Why tensions are rising between the neighbors

 

Edited May 30, 2020 by Mavideol

[ChouDoufu]

3 hours ago, Henryford said:

I thought Taiwan was already independent? It's not part of China. The problem with China taking Taiwan is that it's the tip of the iceberg. Who is next Vietnam, Cambodia. Same as when Hitler took the Sudetenland. Where do you draw the line?

depends.  taiwan was returned to china after japan was defeated, so it is part of china.  but which china?

 

the communists and the nationalists restarted their civil war interrupted by the japanese invasion.  eventually the nationalists were forced to retreat to taiwan.  the war has not ended.  there is no peace treaty, no armistice.

 

the peoples' republic of china claims sovereignty over mainland china AND taiwan.  the republic of china does as well.  most countries have a one-china policy, but they're usually vague about choosing which china.  (not to be confused with un recognition)

 

they've managed a peaceful coexistance, as long as taiwan does not declare independence.  the proc prefers a diplomatic reunification with the roc.  war is messy, and they don't want to "destroy the village in order to save it."

 

the proc would prefer a peaceful resolution.  but if trump decides to recognize taiwan independance, put an embassy in taipei, build a us base on the island......

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, ChouDoufu said:

build a us base on the island......

like the ones China illegally built in South China Sea islands

[BeltAndRoad]

6 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

And there you have it.. bring it on I say, call Chinas bluff.

If they use force to re-take Hong Kong or Taiwan then the world will shun China....

close all links with them I say and show them the world will not stand bye and watch another  tiananmen square unfold !

The world only condemned Tiananmen Square because CCP failed to keep a lid on it.  China had full support from Kissinger and other western parasites, the day after Tiananmen Kissinger referred to Deng Xiaoping (China's leader) as "one of the great reformers in Chinese history" and a man "who chose a more humane and less chaotic course" for China.

The US also assisted China with arming and training the Khmer Rouge.  China is not going to be shunned now especially when so much money has been poured into China to build the infrastructure needed for the "one belt one road" initiative.  

[Bangkok Barry]

17 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Hong Kong, Taiwan, who is next?  Thailand?

Difficult times but the western countries need to have a plan quickly to stop these Communist takeovers. 

The plan will be to announce that they protest in the strongest possible terms. Followed with they condemn in the strongest possible terms after the invasion. That's it. As it always is when China or anyone else tramples on human rights.

[ChouDoufu]

17 hours ago, robblok said:

I doubt the USA or any other country will stand against China for Taiwan. There is no oil there or other things the US can use. Also its not an easy victory for the US (they would probably give up after losing too many people). Nuclear attack.. highly doubt it again. In the end Taiwan will just be Chinese.

 

I wish it were different but dont think anyone will help or is able to help. The Chinese have all the advantages.

within taiwan's economic zone, there is oil, there is natural gas, there is seabed mining, and there are many delicious fish.

 

not as important to america and allies as control of navigation and preventing proc emplacement of defensive positions.

 

[ratcatcher]

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

like the ones China illegally built in South China Sea islands

Probably because China actually "built" some of those "islands".

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

Probably because China actually "built" some of those "islands".

To be geologically correct, those were reclaimed coral atolls. 

[simple1]

17 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Fully agree, doesn't the USA have a treaty with ROC Taiwan?

No. Currently no treaty in place promising US military support in case of attack by China. Plenty of analysis of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, would not be a walk in the park. Likely to be just additional noise from the Chinese during escalated tensions with the US.

[ChouDoufu]

13 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

like the ones China illegally built in South China Sea islands

illegally is up for debate.  if within their recognized economic zone, then no problem.  if in international waters, also legal, although they would not gain the 12-mile restricted zone around it.  if within an area where there are overlapping claims.....probably illegal.  and if within another country's recognized economic zone, then certainly illegal.

 

china, with their ridiculous 9-dash line, claims most of the south china sea, leaving many bordering countries with barely enough ocean to hold a surf competition.  so in other words, when it comes to claims of them acting illegally, "china disputes this."

 

unfortunately, the way the world seems to work, is that international treaties apply to small and mid-sized nations.  those with big enough guns consider themselves exceptional, and can ignore the rules.  for a while at least.

[Brunolem]

12 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

The plan will be to announce that they protest in the strongest possible terms. Followed with they condemn in the strongest possible terms after the invasion. That's it. As it always is when China or anyone else tramples on human rights.

Yesterday the fireworks started with a tweet from Trump, with one word "China!".

 

The financial markets didn't like it.

 

And guess which one Trump chose when came the time of his annoucement regarding China?

 

Trump read a speech that was a dud, with nothing of substance against China, and the markets were able to resume their climbing.

 

The US, as well as all the other countries, will always give priority to their internal corruption over the protection of foreign lands...

 

China can sleep soundly.

 

A war would mean a collapse of Western financial markets, something they will never accept.

[Eric Loh]

There will be no China invasion as long as President Chen resist her party call to declare independence. Meanwhile China will wait for a mainland leaning President in the next election like the previous President Ma’s KMT party. 

[sqwakvfr]

China is building a large military.  But this large and modern military lacks one very important thing:  Combat Experience.  No one knows how you will react when “bullets start flying, a fellow soldier is blown up and his body a parts have been blown off.”.  Some will react with bravery and honor but some will freeze.  The US Military some will say has too much combat experience in the last 18 years.  This is evident by the number of former and current military members with physical and mental injuries.  But man to man I would take the US Military over the Chinese any day. 

 

Also Taiwan recently purchased 100 M1 Abrams Tanks.  Taiwan is expecting an airborne or beach assault by the Chinese Army. Therefore the initial Chinese Force will be lightly armored and the best weapon for that is the 105MM Main Gun of the Abrams. Of course given time the main Chinese Force will land and then it will be a different battle.  This battle scenario is part of the curriculum of senior of Military Leaders when they attend War College.  Only time will tell if this battle actually occurs?  I sincerely hope not because it could get out of control quickly.  “Saber Rattling” is the normal course of relations between Superpowers and hopefully this is just the latest version.  

[Ireland32]

17 hours ago, misterjames said:

Two US warships are already off the coast of Taiwan along with Australian ships have been for about a month and US is sending more as we speak. 

 

Looks like it could be about to kick off.

Theodore Roosevelt and 7 Attack Submarines just paraded thru , SCS 

[billd766]

18 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Hong Kong, Taiwan, who is next?  Thailand?

Difficult times but the western countries need to have a plan quickly to stop these Communist takeovers. 

Try researching the military domino theory and see if it reminds you of anything long  ago.  

 

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Domino_theory

[billd766]

18 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Then be prepared for a conventional war with the USA or nuclear attack.

The advantage of a conventional war is that can be stopped fairly easily. The disadvantage of a nuclear war is that once the first button is pressed you cannot stop it or its aftermath.

 

 

18 hours ago, Pilotman said:

and it would be fully justified. 

 

A nuclear war can NEVER be justified.

 

18 hours ago, robblok said:

Have you seen where Taiwan is located. It would be a logistical nightmare for the USA. Plus China is far more willing to have dead soldiers then the USA. The battle is already lost before it even begins.

I agree with you that it would be a logistical nightmare for the USA to fight for Taiwan against China. For the Chinese the supply lines are short and the US supply lines are thousands of miles long.

 

The Chinese can easily afford to lose 1, 2, 5 or perhaps even 10 million deaths. How many can the USA afford to lose, let alone ships, aircraft, troops and weaponry? If if gets to the nuclear stage how many nuclear bombs hitting the USA before desperately seek a truce?

 

The problem with keyboard warriors on TVF, is that the wars that they fight are just games and NOT reality. Nuclear reality is that most of the time you won't even have the time to bend over and kiss your 'arris goodbye.

[ICELANDMAN]

18 hours ago, misterjames said:

Two US warships are already off the coast of Taiwan along with Australian ships have been for about a month and US is sending more as we speak. 

 

Looks like it could be about to kick off.

And if all goes well, 20 million tourists arrive in Thailand???? said Tourism Authority of Thailand

Edited May 30, 2020 by ICELANDMAN

[phkauf]

52 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Meanwhile China will wait for a mainland leaning President in the next election like the previous President Ma’s KMT party. 

The KMT was decimated in the last election because of it's pro-China stance. Ma was effectively removed as head and they are now recruiting a younger base of politicians. The KMT is viewed as an "old" party by most people, especially the younger generations. Ma's kissing up to China last election really turned off a lot of support. Before the HK protests, KMT supporters could take a pragmatic view towards China but after the protests and especially now, people see China's true intentions and lies. China will be waiting a LONG time for a pro-mainland party to get any popularity in Taiwan.

[Ireland32]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

And there you have it.. bring it on I say, call Chinas bluff.

If they use force to re-take Hong Kong or Taiwan then the world will shun China....

close all links with them I say and show them the world will not stand bye and watch another  tiananmen square unfold !

Boycott Everything Chin 

[Ireland32]

40 minutes ago, billd766 said:

The advantage of a conventional war is that can be stopped fairly easily. The disadvantage of a nuclear war is that once the first button is pressed you cannot stop it or its aftermath.

 

 

 

A nuclear war can NEVER be justified.

 

I agree with you that it would be a logistical nightmare for the USA to fight for Taiwan against China. For the Chinese the supply lines are short and the US supply lines are thousands of miles long.

 

The Chinese can easily afford to lose 1, 2, 5 or perhaps even 10 million deaths. How many can the USA afford to lose, let alone ships, aircraft, troops and weaponry? If if gets to the nuclear stage how many nuclear bombs hitting the USA before desperately seek a truce?

 

The problem with keyboard warriors on TVF, is that the wars that they fight are just games and NOT reality. Nuclear reality is that most of the time you won't even have the time to bend over and kiss your 'arris goodbye.

We have 7,000 Nukes same as Russia and your  Pro Chinese they have a 1000

[Ireland32]

42 minutes ago, billd766 said:

The advantage of a conventional war is that can be stopped fairly easily. The disadvantage of a nuclear war is that once the first button is pressed you cannot stop it or its aftermath.

 

 

 

A nuclear war can NEVER be justified.

 

I agree with you that it would be a logistical nightmare for the USA to fight for Taiwan against China. For the Chinese the supply lines are short and the US supply lines are thousands of miles long.

 

The Chinese can easily afford to lose 1, 2, 5 or perhaps even 10 million deaths. How many can the USA afford to lose, let alone ships, aircraft, troops and weaponry? If if gets to the nuclear stage how many nuclear bombs hitting the USA before desperately seek a truce?

 

The problem with keyboard warriors on TVF, is that the wars that they fight are just games and NOT reality. Nuclear reality is that most of the time you won't even have the time to bend over and kiss your 'arris goodbye.

Your Chinese Bootlicker Game  is Preposterous 

[GinBoy2]

12 minutes ago, phkauf said:

The KMT was decimated in the last election because of it's pro-China stance. Ma was effectively removed as head and they are now recruiting a younger base of politicians. The KMT is viewed as an "old" party by most people, especially the younger generations. Ma's kissing up to China last election really turned off a lot of support. Before the HK protests, KMT supporters could take a pragmatic view towards China but after the protests and especially now, people see China's true intentions and lies. China will be waiting a LONG time for a pro-mainland party to get any popularity in Taiwan.

Agreed.

 

I said this in another thread. When I lived in Taiwan co-workers, friends were pretty evenly split on the One Country Two Systems model. 

On the pro side they were pretty sure they could keep the NT$, freedom of speech, autonomous democracy, and the worst that would happen they would exchange an ROC passport for a PRC one.

 

Over the past few years as I've talked to them, that sentiment has evaporated as they have watched HK. 

 

I don't believe the KMT will ever be the pro Beijing party it was if it ever wants to get elected again.

 

The days of Ma and her ilk are over

[Ireland32]

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

Yesterday the fireworks started with a tweet from Trump, with one word "China!".

 

The financial markets didn't like it.

 

And guess which one Trump chose when came the time of his annoucement regarding China?

 

Trump read a speech that was a dud, with nothing of substance against China, and the markets were able to resume their climbing.

 

The US, as well as all the other countries, will always give priority to their internal corruption over the protection of foreign lands...

 

China can sleep soundly.

 

A war would mean a collapse of Western financial markets, something they will never accept.

You like the taste of Boots I see 

[Ireland32]

2 hours ago, BeltAndRoad said:

Hmmmm ok......

More so Deby  Traps , Colonizing , SCS , nice to  see the China Fangirls coming out of Woodwork , China just hired 300,000 Wumao CCP Trolls , we get new hires on TV 

[Brunolem]

27 minutes ago, Ireland32 said:

We have 7,000 Nukes same as Russia and your  Pro Chinese they have a 1000

So?

 

Assuming that only 1% of the nukes would hit their target, is the US ready to accept 10 nuclear detonations over its cities?