London's statues from 'bygone' imperial past to be reviewed, mayor says

[baansgr]

35 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

It's not "historic cleansing" its learning from history.... and there are several on this thread who clearly don't know even the basics ...

Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

 

Bristol has for centuries tried to remove that statue.

 

philanthropist slave trade is an oxymoron.

 

 

Just shows how misinformed people are..."tried to remove that statue for centuries"....it was only erected 125 years ago...god help us

[Pilotman]

6 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Just shows how misinformed people are..."tried to remove that statue for centuries"....it was only erected 125 years ago...god help us

History often takes a bit of a battering on TVF, as does science, logic and all things, medical.  I often wonder where some people received their education, or even if they got one at all.  

Edited June 10, 2020 by Pilotman

[jonwilly]

16 hours ago, stouricks said:

Queen Victoria knew all about the slave trade. Should her statue come down?

Was probably on nodding terms withe the African kings who sold their slaves to the honkey.

 

john

[Orton Rd]

37 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

The fact you consider this to beavalid argument just shows how ill informed people can be and how bad they are at critical thinking.

so you believe the Indian nationalists who claim the Raj stole 40 trillion dollars from India? If the Raj had not been there the French would have been.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Orton Rd

[JonnyF]

22 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

Khan was voted into the post of Major of a largely socialist/liberal Capital, that is not reflective of the rest of the UK.  London is almost a country outside of the UK and I for one have no time for the place, or most of the people who live there.  We have nothing much in common, as I keep telling my eldest daughter, who lives there and voted for the idiot.  I blame her Mother.  

London is a necessary evil. It's like a septic tank where most of the rubbish can go to keep it separate from the rest of the country.

 

A few of my old Uni buddies still live there, they used to be a good laugh but they're all lefty "Liberal" metropolitan types now who paid 950,000 pounds for a shoebox flat because it has a trendy postcode and it keeps them a safe distance from the same people they spend their lives defending and feeling offended on behalf of ????.

 

People get institutionalized by the place and start believing it's the best place in the world. They say people get the governments they deserve, in this case they get the mayor they deserve.

Edited June 10, 2020 by JonnyF

[shackleton]

As already mentioned on here you cant rewrite History

But you can learn from it

I cant understand  what happened over 200 years ago people are now protesting about if its affecting them personally 

Only reading about United Kingdom and the USA protests 

What about Portugal,  Spain Belgium the Dutch ect 

Did they not do the same

Stick a plague on the statues explaining why these guys made their money

 

[Rimmer]

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[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Hard to find a country that doesn't have a past that's different to GB, tell me where you come from, so I can swot up......????

 

I reckon many countries would still be in the dark ages if it wasn't for the adventurous Europeans, but of course you think different, weeeell, you think different on most subjects...????

As I said yesterday, the teaching of Britain’s  Colonial history is abysmally poor. 

[robertson468]

I think that the Prime Minister needs to put a ban on this abitrary destruction of items highlighting important parts of our history!  Agreed that not everyone is lillywhite and the actions of some people then, horifiy us today, but it is an important part of our history, which citizens have a right to know about.  I was the Chairman of the project to erect the Memorial to the Women of World Wat 2 in Whitehall.  No doubt in years to come there will be those who will say that it is celebrating women in an inapropriate way and should be hauled down.  Our history, is our history and no one should be allowed to remove items from public display, just because they happen to disagree with what they did.  By the way, I don't see anyone complaining about Coulson building and funding a school for Ladies, or mentioning his many other good deeds.  What about all those who were dragged off to serve our Royal Navy in days of yore!  What about the citizens of the UK who were enlisted in to serfdom?  Sure, slavery was totally wrong, but it is part of our history and cannot be changed just by removing items that "offend" some.  We need to be reminded of thosse times, as future generations will want to look back on what we achieved, or failed to achieve, like addressing global warming, which might cause the demise of the human race.  C'mon people, get a life!

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

Yes you might find it was not as bad as the anti Raj propaganda like to make out. The richest man in the world had nothing stolen or looted by the Brits and only lost his lands to the independent india in 1948

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Osman_Ali_Khan

Oh so that excuses a couple of centuries of British abuses.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

What stopped them ?

Nothing, it’s at the bottom of the harbor, or didn’t you know that?

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh so that excuses a couple of centuries of British abuses.

 

 

Again, tell me your squeaky clean country...Because I can't think of one and would like to know if I am wrong...Go for it, I mean you take every opportunity to slag off GB.

[Chomper Higgot]

56 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

so you believe the Indian nationalists who claim the Raj stole 40 trillion dollars from India? If the Raj had not been there the French would have been.

That makes it alright then.

[CGW]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do I need to provide you links to modern slavery in the UK?

 

Well yes I probably do:

 

https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/slavery-uk/

Link to the protests? link to the protests about the Busk/Obama/Clinton enabled Middle east slavery?

Thanks ???? 

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you accept Britain was built on Colonialism and slavery and that something rather fine was built.

 

Do you think it possible that Colonialism and Slavery damaged the societies the British subjugated?

As a kid I marvelled when significant Roman artifacts inc a villa, mosaics, bones, pottery and a chest full of swords were unearthed in fields within walking distance of my home as I stood and watched. Further afield (but still within walking distance) treasures from different era(s) have been found in an around the same area, having been hidden from the likes of marauding Vikings, Normans etc who were doing to the ???????????????????????????? exactly the sort of behaviour you continually virtue-signal about in your insatiable quest to slag off the ????????.

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Edited June 10, 2020 by evadgib

[bodga]

4 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

No she did not, the slave trade ended in the British empire in 1808, after which Royal Navy ships fought against it and slavery in the empire in 1833, she became Queen in 1837.

Yeah but her parents  were so all of them must  go???? and we  must rename england , what i dont know maybe "colonial bastards from the past....land"

[evadgib]

46 minutes ago, transam said:

Again, tell me your squeaky clean country...Because I can't think of one and would like to know if I am wrong...Go for it, I mean you take every opportunity to slag off GB.

Despite claiming to have studied there, which presumably included some sort of financial inducement from his beloved ???????? not readily available to the very people he continually slags off.

Edited June 10, 2020 by evadgib

[transam]

4 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Despite claiming to have studied there!

Perhaps he failed his exams............????

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, evadgib said:

As a kid I marvelled when significant Roman artifacts inc a villa, mosaics, bones, pottery and a chest full of swords were unearthed in fields within walking distance of my home as I stood and watched. Further afield (but still within walking distance) treasures from different era(s) have been found in an around the same area, having been hidden from the likes of marauding Vikings, Normans etc who were doing to the ???????????????????????????? exactly the sort of behaviour you continually virtue-signal about in your insatiable quest to slag off the ????????.

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Yes lots of wonderful history in England.

 

Lay off the accusation of ‘virtue signaling’ it looks too much like baiting and detracts from the rest of your post.

[Orton Rd]

14 minutes ago, bodga said:

Yeah but her parents  were so all of them must  go???? and we  must rename england , what i dont know maybe "colonial bastards from the past....land"

What would this be in English?

[Orton Rd]

39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That makes it alright then.

Makes it part of history, we gave them law, education, railways, cricket and tea and they still moan!

[tlandtday]

We can learn from past history why destroy it?

Edited June 10, 2020 by tlandtday

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, tlandtday said:

Destroy the history and the culture and you can change the history and the culture.   We can learn from the past why destroy it?

The portrayal of history in public monuments is not the final word on the history being portrayed.

[evadgib]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes lots of wonderful history in England.

 

Lay off the accusation of ‘virtue signaling’ it looks too much like baiting and detracts from the rest of your post.

How about laying off telling others what to do? Your posting history does the rest & you alone bear responsibility for that 

Edited June 10, 2020 by evadgib

[Pilotman]

4 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

We can learn from past history why destroy it?

but we never seem to do so.  If we had learnt from history, then the Balkan War would not have happened, we would not have invaded Afghanistan, Vietnam would not have been the balls up it was.  As the wise man said: "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

[bodga]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

the fact that the portrayal of that history in public monuments is being scrutinized.

Fine to scrutinize,  not fine to rip down before everyone has had their say . I doubt there's  anyone who approves of slavery except those profiteering from it.

[NoshowJones]

17 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Utter mindless idiots .. Churchill for his faults was the one who stood up to the architect of the greatest mass extermination in history of those considered racially inferior and instigator of the most savage war man has ever waged on itself .. 

Had Churchill not stood up to Nazism with all of Western Europe under its yoke it would have been a very different world for those not fitting the Nazi template .. I'd guess some of the moron's involved in desecrating his statute were/are too stupid to consider that .. 

Churchill was also responsible for genocides in other countries under the old British Empire.

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

But this bloke slags off GB at every opportunity, and now wants our history trashed. 

Are you proud of the UK's history regarding the slave trade?

[Rimmer]

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[transam]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Are you proud of the UK's history regarding the slave trade?

Proud, no, it was a practice from a long time ago that many countries practiced and was part of their history.

In the UK we used to hang people at cross roads and let the birds finish them off, you will probably see the tackle in historic museums, our history. Oh, you want all that stuff scrapped too....????

Plus, steal a loaf of bread, hung or off to Australia for you my lad.....Our history...