Rhodes Must Fall - Oxford protesters target statue of colonialist

[kingdong]

Regarding recent events where riots occurred,with criminal damage,and police being attacked described in the media as protests,yet.when a few people wishing to guard statues against criminal damage and defacement branded as "right wing thugs"?isn,t a free medias role to report the news and let the reader/ listener or viewer form his /her own opininion?

[Logosone]

Regarding the tearing down of the Bristol statue, even though there is film footage that identifies the perpetrators, the Jamaican mayor of Bristol has confirmed nobody will be prosecuted.

 

He has however announced a new "historical commission" so people can better understand Bristol's history. If the experience in Germany is anything to go by prepare for extreme left-wing academics to shame and guilt the UK for generations.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8408223/Black-Lives-Matter-protesters-tore-Edward-Colston-statue-likely-escape-prosecution.html

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Regarding the tearing down of the Bristol statue, even though there is film footage that identifies the perpetrators, the Jamaican mayor of Bristol has confirmed nobody will be prosecuted.

 

He has however announced a new "historical commission" so people can better understand Bristol's history. If the experience in Germany is anything to go by prepare for extreme left-wing academics to shame and guilt the UK for generations.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8408223/Black-Lives-Matter-protesters-tore-Edward-Colston-statue-likely-escape-prosecution.html

Britain's never had a military coup....yet

[nauseus]

31 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

This is the lot "protecting" the statues this weekend. Plenty of evidence that these are the football lads are protecting monuments and statues now. All loosely associated with Robinson and Golding.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7487370/democratic-football-lads-alliance-march-turns-violent-as-far-right-supporters-clash-with-cops/

You mean loosely associated by The Sun, plus yourself, of course.

[kingdong]

12 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Regarding the tearing down of the Bristol statue, even though there is film footage that identifies the perpetrators, the Jamaican mayor of Bristol has confirmed nobody will be prosecuted.

 

He has however announced a new "historical commission" so people can better understand Bristol's history. If the experience in Germany is anything to go by prepare for extreme left-wing academics to shame and guilt the UK for generations.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8408223/Black-Lives-Matter-protesters-tore-Edward-Colston-statue-likely-escape-prosecution.html

But of a sorry state of affairs when a council worker can over rule a police department.appeasement to bullies is never a good idea.

[tribalfusion001]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

You mean loosely associated by The Sun, plus yourself, of course.

Multiple sources have the same reports, the thugs in Hoddesdon on Monday were far right and Plymouth which included a far right activist doing nazi salutes on his Facebook page.

[Logosone]

5 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Are you saying revising history is a bad thing?

What, then, is truth in history? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms—in short, a sum of human relations which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins.

 

https://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl201/modules/Philosophers/Nietzsche/Truth_and_Lie_in_an_Extra-Moral_Sense.htm

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Multiple sources have the same reports, the thugs in Hoddesdon on Monday were far right and Plymouth which included a far right activist doing nazi salutes on his Facebook page.

Multiple slanted sources?

[Loiner]

32 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

This is the lot "protecting" the statues this weekend. Plenty of evidence that these are the football lads are protecting monuments and statues now. All loosely associated with Robinson and Golding.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7487370/democratic-football-lads-alliance-march-turns-violent-as-far-right-supporters-clash-with-cops/

Somebody needs to save the nation's heritage and culture. Good job the FLA will be around to save us from anarchy and the racist/leftist mobs.

 

The UK police have been gradually eroded from a 'force' to some sort of welfare service, who can only impose the law on easy targets. The real unlawful groups, who we are supposed to be protected from, are the same ones who are now attacking the police with their new found kid glove handling. No wonder the US riots saw armed vigilantes appear to protect lives and property.

[Loiner]

8 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Multiple sources have the same reports, the thugs in Hoddesdon on Monday were far right and Plymouth which included a far right activist doing nazi salutes on his Facebook page.

Well if the softly softly police and the lefty lefty councils wont do it, some stout hearted men will. 

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts have been removed. 

[Kadilo]

13 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Multiple sources have the same reports, the thugs in Hoddesdon on Monday were far right and Plymouth which included a far right activist doing nazi salutes on his Facebook page.

One  minute they are boasting about how they are mobilising their troops to guard statues but when they get called out by the Sun of all papers, it’s just the media. 

 

 

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Kadilo

[tribalfusion001]

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Somebody needs to save the nation's heritage and culture. Good job the FLA will be around to save us from anarchy and the racist/leftist mobs.

 

The UK police have been gradually eroded from a 'force' to some sort of welfare service, who can only impose the law on easy targets. The real unlawful groups, who we are supposed to be protected from, are the same ones who are now attacking the police with their new found kid glove handling. No wonder the US riots saw armed vigilantes appear to protect lives and property.

Glorifying slave traders is not my culture, stuck in the past thinking and not moving forward.

[nauseus]

14 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Multiple sources have the same reports, the thugs in Hoddesdon on Monday were far right and Plymouth which included a far right activist doing nazi salutes on his Facebook page.

Ah Facebook. That's OK then.

[Kadilo]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Well if the softly softly police and the lefty lefty councils wont do it, some stout hearted men will. 

The pics I’ve seen are more stout bellied. 

 

 

[tribalfusion001]

8 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Multiple slanted sources?

Err, it was a camera at Hoddesdon, the so called football lads telling people to "go back to africa" and singing "there is only Lee Rigby" "get your t*ts out for the lads", classy with the IQ of a peanut.

[Loiner]

11 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Glorifying slave traders is not my culture, stuck in the past thinking and not moving forward.

Those slave traders helped make the UK what it is now. Their contributions to our cities and institutions contributed directly to people like you being able to moan about them. 

Why not have a national referendum about their continued presence? When you lose and are still offended you could always retire to a patch of sub-Saharan sand. No statues there. 

[cyril sneer]

1 hour ago, Kadilo said:

 

As despicable as it is seeing any Policeman get assaulted you got to love the faux outrage of the right wing fascists when we have all seen them

in action on many occasions.

Suddenly they are sounding like the snowflakes. 

yes but its starting to <deleted> off regular people, who are just keeping quiet

 

regular people (the majority) don't appreciate hypocrisy and double-standards

 

it will all backfire

 

 

[gearbox]

On 6/10/2020 at 6:20 PM, Logosone said:

Well, if you take India for example development aid is a tiny percentage of the UK GDP, however, the amount the UK looted from India is staggering by comparison. One does not weigh up the damage done by centuries of exploitation, famine, wars etc.

As India gets stronger economically and militarily, the nationalism is on the rise there and one day the question of reparations may be brought by the Indians.

One can watch the Manikarnika the Queen of Jhansi,  I think the Brits killed by the queen in this movie are way more than the people killed in any Rambo movie.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/ill-destroy-you-all-indian-historical-epic-star-critics-manikarnika

 

The irony is the thieves are courting now the previous victim to assist them with the containment of China...curious to see how this plays out. Interesting times.

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by gearbox

[jimmybcool]

The funniest part of all this rewrite is the protestors wear hammer and sickle signs and Che t-shirts.  Bwahahahahahahaha

 

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

People have been complaining about some statues for years and yet they remain in place.

If the council had done the right thing and removed Colstons statue after people had complained about it then none of this unpleasantness would have happened. 

Surely that's the whole point of democracy. An elected council had not bowed to a minority who wanted the statue removed. 

[Bluespunk]

59 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Those slave traders helped make the UK what it is now. Their contributions to our cities and institutions contributed directly to people like you being able to moan about them. 

Why not have a national referendum about their continued presence? When you lose and are still offended you could always retire to a patch of sub-Saharan sand. No statues there. 

They helped make the uk what it is now?

 

Explains a lot

[tribalfusion001]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

They helped make the uk what it is now?

 

Explains a lot

Exactly.

[bannork]

29 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Can’t see that somehow. Well he probably can’t see it ????

He will after a short drive.

[metisdead]

Some more off topic deflection/trolling posts and replies have been removed. 

[Logosone]

1 hour ago, gearbox said:

As India gets stronger economically and militarily, the nationalism is on the rise there and one day the question of reparations may be brought by the Indians.

One can watch the Manikarnika the Queen of Jhansi,  I think the Brits killed by the queen in this movie are way more than the people killed in any Rambo movie.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/ill-destroy-you-all-indian-historical-epic-star-critics-manikarnika

 

The irony is the thieves are courting now the previous victim to assist them with the containment of China...curious to see how this plays out. Interesting times.

 

I read "Inglorious Empire" by Shashi Taroor, a former Indian diplomat, and let me tell ya, that's one hell of a passionate recounting of all the evils the British did in India. It is clear many in India are aware of the many crimes the British committed in India. However, his book does not tell the full story. Yes, when the British came India accounted for 23% of world GDP and when they left India accounted for 3%. However, average income figures, critics pointed out do not support the narrative that the Indians just got poorer.

 

Like with Cecil Rhodes, the story of the British in India is a mixed one. Yes, they took trillions of pounds out of India, however, the British did leave glorious architecture and some of what India is today goes back to the British. That does not excuse murders and famines and exploitation. However it is a mixed picture.

 

Of course India's GDP now surpasses the one of the UK, and it will distance itself even more from the UK as it develops further. India, once the recipient of development aid now gives aid to other countries herself.

 

I suspect the ultra-nationalism of India would not hinder it from making common cause with Britain, but there's probably more gained by India aligning with other great powers like Russia or China. Still the links between India and the UK are strong of course.

[Rookiescot]

4 hours ago, evadgib said:

"I'm Spartacus!"????

(Stick me on there too, please! )

OK

[tribalfusion001]

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/jefferson-davis-statue-torn-down-in-richmond-312774

 

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by tribalfusion001

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, Logosone said:

I read "Inglorious Empire" by Shashi Taroor, a former Indian diplomat, and let me tell ya, that's one hell of a passionate recounting of all the evils the British did in India. It is clear many in India are aware of the many crimes the British committed in India. However, his book does not tell the full story. Yes, when the British came India accounted for 23% of world GDP and when they left India accounted for 3%. However, average income figures, critics pointed out do not support the narrative that the Indians just got poorer.

 

Like with Cecil Rhodes, the story of the British in India is a mixed one. Yes, they took trillions of pounds out of India, however, the British did leave glorious architecture and some of what India is today goes back to the British. That does not excuse murders and famines and exploitation. However it is a mixed picture.

 

Of course India's GDP now surpasses the one of the UK, and it will distance itself even more from the UK as it develops further. India, once the recipient of development aid now gives aid to other countries herself.

 

I suspect the ultra-nationalism of India would not hinder it from making common cause with Britain, but there's probably more gained by India aligning with other great powers like Russia or China. Still the links between India and the UK are strong of course.

India is going to hold the UK over a barrel in any trade talks.

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

India is going to hold the UK over a barrel in any trade talks.

MiD has been very busy today already