After military opens door, Trump rejects removing names of Confederate leaders from U.S. bases

[Baerboxer]

12 hours ago, keith101 said:

Typical act of a white supremacist .

 

........... responding to the demands of dubious politicians and racial fanatics,

[Baerboxer]

12 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Why would anyone have a problem with traitors being honored by the military?

 

It seems very many long serving congress and senate members didn't for decades while they were in office. 

 

Nor did Obama in 8 years as POTUS.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps let the military decide.

 

Celebrating the names of defeated traitors seems a bit of an odd history for the ‘victors’ to write.

 

Perhaps it was considered part of the reconciliation process at the time. 

 

Civil wars a somewhat different.

 

Washington was a slave owner. So perhaps the US capital should be renamed - to Floydville??

[Baerboxer]

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think it's somehow funny that Trump brought himself into the position that he can't make any compromises anymore - even any reasonable compromises.

The people who still support him must be radical right, radical evangelical, stupid, greedy and selfish, or all of that. So if Trump would even consider doing something to unite the people these radicals won't like it. He can't afford to lose any voters so he won't do anything to unite the country. But by doing that he disqualifies himself for anybody who was still somewhere in the middle ground. Soon Trump will only have the radicals to support him. And there are many of them in the USA, too many, but probably not enough to guarantee another Trump victory. There is hope...

 

You are assuming, and quite a big assumption, that the majority of people would support renaming military bases, removing statues etc. in response to the fervor being created by political and racial pressure groups.

 

That's not a given. Rather like you assume that anyone who doesn't share your opinions and views must be stupid, greedy, selfish and radical. 

 

Don't worry, with that sort of arrogant intolerance you'll fit right in with the radical extreme left.

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

The confederacy had a legal right to leave the Union, Lincoln over rode the constitution and invaded the south to force them back into it. If anyone was a tratior it was Lincoln. He only freed the slaves a few years into the war to be able to win it.

 

Lincoln knew the North would struggle financially without the tax revenues from the South. That was his main motivation for invading the South and deliberately ignoring the constitution. 

 

He wasn't a convinced outspoken abolishinist. Neither were many other Northern politicians. The fact that black people continued to be oppressed and have their rights restricted for another 100+ years after the war suggests that equal rights and equality weren't the number one agenda item.

[Orton Rd]

17 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Lincoln knew the North would struggle financially without the tax revenues from the South. That was his main motivation for invading the South and deliberately ignoring the constitution. 

 

He wasn't a convinced outspoken abolishinist. Neither were many other Northern politicians. The fact that black people continued to be oppressed and have their rights restricted for another 100+ years after the war suggests that equal rights and equality weren't the number one agenda item.

Also he did not believe in votes for blacks, blacks holding public office or mixed marriages, by todays standards he was a racist. If they are taking down Robert E Lee statues then not taking down the Lincoln memorial would be plain hypocricy.

[Sujo]

20 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Also he did not believe in votes for blacks, blacks holding public office or mixed marriages, by todays standards he was a racist. If they are taking down Robert E Lee statues then not taking down the Lincoln memorial would be plain hypocricy.

Are u complaining, thought trump supporters were tougher than that.

 

Chief of dod, chief of joint chiefs of staff now going against trump. Certainly running out of the pc complaining.

[Orton Rd]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Are u complaining, thought trump supporters were tougher than that.

 

Chief of dod, chief of joint chiefs of staff now going against trump. Certainly running out of the pc complaining.

I would comment if I could understand what your point is.

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

It seems very many long serving congress and senate members didn't for decades while they were in office. 

 

Nor did Obama in 8 years as POTUS.

 

 

But but obama. Who hasnt been in office for 4 years.

[mlmcleod]

Trump knows that 99% of his voters are located in the south or sympathize with secession.  I was watching Mississippi Burning last night and the typical Trump voters were there in all their glory!

 

Vote in November! 

[ericthai]

14 hours ago, Tug said:

Personally I do think the names should be changed and all the statues should be put in a class a muesum we shouldn’t be paying respects and honoring folks who were trying to perpetuate slavery and tryed to destroy the United States I fully understand it’s a very sensitive issue but the facts remain they essentially committed treason and made war against the mother country for all the wrong reasons 

That could be said about the American colonies under British rule!!

[TheDark]

I suppose God can be considered as reliable source on TV rules. 

 

This is trending on twitter, for a good reason. 

 

Nascar wants to ban the CONFEDERATE FLAG??? I DONT THANK SO

 

 

[nausea]

Maybe we should listen to a few of the black guys who aren't activists or gang bangers, you know those guys who are slowly building up businesses and what have you. I'm guessing police brutality or removing statues is low on their list of priorities. Police brutality is nothing new, it seems to be a prerequisite for the job, like you need bad guys to protect you fron the even worse bad guys. A snowflake police force? Yeah, that's gonna work.

[ToThailand]

With Americans more conscious about race issues ????‍♂️ oh my buddha why in gods name does americans always keep talking about race. Are they that uneducated that they dont know that there is only one race amongst us and its called the HUMAN race. 

For once in your life get that in your head that no matter color of skin we all belong to the same race

[OneMoreFarang]

9 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You are assuming, and quite a big assumption, that the majority of people would support renaming military bases, removing statues etc. in response to the fervor being created by political and racial pressure groups.

 

That's not a given. Rather like you assume that anyone who doesn't share your opinions and views must be stupid, greedy, selfish and radical. 

 

Don't worry, with that sort of arrogant intolerance you'll fit right in with the radical extreme left.

Where did your idea come from what I assume?

I never wrote anywhere that I assume the majority of people would support renaming military bases.

So it seems the only person assuming here was you assuming what I assume.

I guess you know what they say about people who make assumptions - or you can google it.

[Dap]

20 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Because it highlights how totally unhinged the left and their democrat supporters have become. Ban the Dukes of Hazzard? Bonkers. Ban flags at Nascar? Insanity. I will say the same about the left trying to ban Paw Patrol cartoon because they worry it casts police in a positive light. 

I do not have stats for this but if more than 5% of Americans agree with rewriting American history and dismantling/deleting/denying anything white people ever did(because that is exactly where these cultural marxists are heading) will not be winning them many votes in November. This anti-white racism is totally out of control.

Really! Just ask any native American.

[Saint Nick]

18 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

great!  let's rename the bases after a terrorist.

 

sad, but appropriate given our nation's foreign policy.

One man's  terorist is another man's freedom- fighter! 

[Saint Nick]

7 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Figment of the leftist permanet victim ideology

I think the ones crying into their confederate flags at the moment, are not the libs!

[JCauto]

Sorry to interrupt all the name-calling and typical end-of-thread "debate" which inevitably has devolved into "whataboutisms" and "alternative facts" along with confident predictions about electoral futures...but this is a well-balanced and written article from the Economist about the issue. It's not inflammatory or extreme, so probably won't interest anyone, but...

 

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/06/11/how-to-handle-racists-statues?utm_campaign=the-economist-today&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=2020-06-11&utm_content=article-link-5

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

Figment of the leftist permanent victim ideology

Fail. Given your sources you have mentioned you access, you well know the terminology member, or similar, is used in messaging from white supremacist / far right propaganda. 

 

https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/anti-racist-is-a-code-for-anti-white

[Orton Rd]

George Washington had 300 slaves and is on the dollar bill, Thomas Jefferson had over 600 and 'bred' one, he's on the 2 dollar bill. Forget the confederate stautes, let's replace these two with Martin Luther King jnr and Malcolm X ????

[Captain Monday]

23 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

I don,t know how many military bases there are around America or the World, but surely the best thing would be to rename them all as following :-

Nelson Mandela Base 1

Nelson Mandela Base 2

Nelson Mandela Base 3

and so on ! Never forget the incredibly negative effect the white man has had in all areas, such as electricity, penicillin, mechanical transport, even furniture ! Everyone used to sit on the floor until we came along ????

Angela Davis Air Force Base.

[Saint Nick]

12 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

George Washington had 300 slaves and is on the dollar bill, Thomas Jefferson had over 600 and 'bred' one, he's on the 2 dollar bill. Forget the confederate stautes, let's replace these two with Martin Luther King jnr and Malcolm X ????

You are getting there!

Now you are already making kind of sense...

[Captain Monday]

On 6/11/2020 at 5:46 PM, Orton Rd said:

 

Trump was the only president who had the guts to recognise Jeruslem as the capital of israel, how is that allying himslef with anti semites? Confederate figures were not tratoirs, they had every right to leave the union and the war was about them doing so, not to free the slaves.

Ok, Confederate figures were not traitors. They were rebels who committed  armed insurrection to dissolve the USA

 

It is impossible to deny the anti-semitism of far right groups in the US.

On August 11, 2017 actual torch carrying nazis marched in Charlottesville  chanting blood and soil and other vile <deleted>.

Trump refused to condemn them until the political pressure became unbearable.

He even suggested some of them were "very fine people".

This is because these white raciusts, who cannot understand Trumps relationship with their worst perceived enemies, are his most reliable and trusted supporters. Trump brings Pastor Jeffress to a Hanukahm party, and and allies with other evangelicals, who preach jews are going to Hell! I guess that is  just harmless superstition but many of Trumps supporters believe this to be true. They don't give a darn about Jews or Israel. They believe also in apocalyptic scenarios, final wars in the middle east, return of "Jesus", where all who so not accept him will be destroyed and cast into a lake of fire. That is not harmless.

 

Trumps had no guts, every action is inherently political, red meat for his base and purely symbolic.

He has no love for the Jewish people, he benefits from sucking up to another Nationalistic leader,

and thrills his evangelical base. I think Trump iOS a bigot who believes most of the Tropes about Jews, but sees tham as positives.

They are useful outsiders who are accepted as long as the y support him. If not, they are "disloyal"

 

You have fallen into the mistaken racist trope that blind support of right wing Israel governments and Netanyahu's annexations and brutal actions is philo-semitsm, and the opposite is antisemitism. This is simply not true. 

 

 

[Orton Rd]

24 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

Ok, Confederate figures were not traitors. They were rebels who committed  armed insurrection to dissolve the USA

 

 

Not rebels, they wanted to leave the Union which was their right and Lincoln's predecessor let 7 states leave. Lincoln overode the constitution, declared war without the consent of congress, illegally closed down opposition papers and imprisoned owners of them without tiral an ultimately invaded the south to force a re union with arms. The tyrant even tried to extend slavery until 1900 in a deal with the confederacy, he did not care anything about freeing slaves and stated if he could preserve the Union without freeing any slaves he would. Strange they never prosecuted J Davis for treason after the war, becasue they knew he had not committed it.

 

https://www.historyonthenet.com/confederate-states-america-2

'secession remained a reserved right of the states. This was partly why James Buchanan, Lincoln’s predecessor in the White House, had allowed the first seven Southern states to leave in peace. Although he did not believe they possessed a right of secession, he also did not believe that the federal government had the right to coerce a seceding state.'

Edited June 12, 2020 by Orton Rd

[mtls2005]

Braxton Bragg sounds like a real winner.

 

They were all treasonus traitors. 

 

Tear down the statues, and rename the bases. And burn that stars and bars atrocity.

 

Jefferson Finis Davis was indicted for Treason, imprisoned for two years before being pardoned.

 

Here he is, pretty in pink, just before being unmounted...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[BobBKK]

On 6/11/2020 at 11:35 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

No need to alter the history books, the Confederacy was roundly defeated.

 

 

 

Thank goodness it was and thank goodness Lincoln was a Democrat... oh wait...

[metisdead]

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[Orton Rd]

On 6/12/2020 at 6:17 PM, mtls2005 said:

Braxton Bragg sounds like a real winner.

 

They were all treasonus traitors. 

 

Tear down the statues, and rename the bases. And burn that stars and bars atrocity.

 

Jefferson Finis Davis was indicted for Treason, imprisoned for two years before being pardoned.

 

Here he is, pretty in pink, just before being unmounted...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason becasue they knew prosecuting him for it would fail, the southern states had a legal right to leave the Union. Pity only 11 did and none were traitors or guilty of treason any more than the 13 colonies were when they rejected the crown. History is written by the winners and the distortion of the truth has always been evident in the civil war, 600.000 at least pointlessly slaughtered so Lincoln could preserve his Union. Lincoln unlike other politicians and abolitionists did not believe blacks were equal to whites and was against them having the vote or holding public office. Tearing his memorial down would have to be done as well, he did break his oath of office to uphold the constitution after all so who was the real tratior?