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15 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Maori killed those there before them, waged constant war tribe against tribe and were cannibals at times. Hamilton has a museum completely dedicated to these savages and you can't take photo's because it goes against their beliefs. We civilised the place and have nothing to be ashamed of, statue should have been left. What next renaming Wellington after some ghastly Maori chief?

Bomber Harris your plinth is rocking

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11 minutes ago, somtamgaiyang said:

And, of course, at least in the US, schools are not above white washing more problematic aspects of our history. 

I thought education now ( in the west ) is more about social justice ( whatever that means at the time ) and protesting about climate change than actually learning things needed to get a job.

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24 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

For those who have never been there Hamilton is quite an ugly dump, apart from the gardens and walk along by the river. Hamilton would probably not want to be associated with it anyway.

I lived there for 5 years. It's so lacking in any character at all that I don't even think about it.

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To be honest, statues are one of those weird things that the elite love to engage in.  Raising statues in honor of "special people."  Then they become the home of pigeons, bird poop, and corrosion. 
When they come down, you know that you're experiencing a change in culture and society.  Of course, the new culture will then engage in raising statues for their elite "heros."  Wash, rinse, repeat...

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16 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Maori killed those there before them, waged constant war tribe against tribe and were cannibals at times. Hamilton has a museum completely dedicated to these savages and you can't take photo's because it goes against their beliefs. We civilised the place and have nothing to be ashamed of, statue should have been left. What next renaming Wellington after some ghastly Maori chief?

Seems you have gotten lost despite your geographic moniker. You should have taken a right, oh, about 100 years ago or so. 

I'd start looking to source some old Deloreans if I were you. It's the only way you're going to find your way back to Orton Rd. Watch out for those Libyans you get the nuclear material from!

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Posted
2 hours ago, Benmart said:

Take down every statue, every flag, every building, every object however remotely associated with some misdeed, atrocity or word. Bulldoze the ground upon which walked the wicked.

Burn the books, the photos and obliterate history that contains even the most minute particle of discomfort. Then recreate a new history, designed by those who would put shackles on the minds of those who supported such folly.

It may be too late to turn the tide on this latest of all witch-hunts. Which is next? Social media?

image.jpeg.849924cc6843567aec77f04c16f2b043.jpeg   What a good idea. Start again.

 

 

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So far, at least, the statue of Captain James Cook in Waimea, Kauai, Hawaii has been spared the ire of the natives. Perhaps they have more sense, after all, it was they who killed him. 

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16 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Maori killed those there before them, waged constant war tribe against tribe and were cannibals at times. Hamilton has a museum completely dedicated to these savages and you can't take photo's because it goes against their beliefs. We civilised the place and have nothing to be ashamed of, statue should have been left. What next renaming Wellington after some ghastly Maori chief?

...or chefs no longer being able to....Cook?

Posted (edited)
43 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

I find it hilarious that any local thinks  taking down a statue of the man will change anything. Is Hamilton now to be refered to as the town with no name ?

There's a Hastings there too I believe. Given what happened to the original in 1066 can we expect Esther Ratzen to have a pop at that too, especially as she's taken all their guns?

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39 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Seems you have gotten lost despite your geographic moniker. You should have taken a right, oh, about 100 years ago or so. 

I'd start looking to source some old Deloreans if I were you. It's the only way you're going to find your way back to Orton Rd. Watch out for those Libyans you get the nuclear material from!

Might take a while to work out what this means ????

Posted
1 hour ago, DPKANKAN said:

Are they going to change the name of their  town/city as well then???????????????????????????????????

I truly hope so. 

Posted
1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

The British didn't go to New Zealand to make the Maoris "civilized", but to grab land for settlers, at a huge cost to both sides:

 

The New Zealand wars:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Wars

 

At the peak of hostilities in the 1860s, 18,000 British troops, supported by artillery, cavalry and local militia, battled about 4,000 Māori warriors[8] in what became a gross imbalance of manpower and weaponry.[9] Although outnumbered, the Māori were able to withstand their enemy with techniques that included anti-artillery bunkers and the use of carefully placed , or fortified villages, that allowed them to block their enemy's advance and often inflict heavy losses, yet quickly abandon their positions without significant loss. Guerrilla-style tactics were used by both sides in later campaigns, often fought in dense bush. Over the course of the Taranaki and Waikato campaigns, the lives of about 1,800 Māori and 800 Europeans were lost,[5] and total Māori losses over the course of all the wars may have exceeded 2,100.

 

It is not the job of colonial powers to interfere with the way of life of indigenous populations or force their moralities upon them. If they chose to eat their enemies after they were conquered in battle, it's their way of life and their business.

 

But at the end of the day, the British didn't go to New Zealand to help Maoris. They were there to grab land and do whatever it took to achieve that purpose. The Maoris were collateral damage. There was absolutely nothing altruistic about colonization.

 

The introduction of the British musket was responsible for the slaughter of many tribes that didn't have them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your are being unfair. We gave them Rugby and the chance to get their own back. And, boy, - did they!

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Perhaps they should leave all of the statues up which are deemed offensive and add text, script or some kind of message that puts the stature in context. For example, when the statue was erected and by whom. Also, add some commentary explaining why the statue is offensive in modern times.  This creates a balance between forgetting the past by tearing the statue down and leaving it up where it perpetuates racist sentiment. Even if the memorialized person was racist or colonial, we cannot simply erase the past. That is how we learn. Leaving statues up with an explanation may show future generations how much we have learned.

 

Simply tearing down memorials that are offensive is one method of creating "historical Amnesia," the equivalent of erasing the past. Learn from the past, do not try to pretend atrocities never happened.

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Just now, jingjai9 said:

Perhaps they should leave all of the statues up which are deemed offensive and add text, script or some kind of message that puts the stature in context. For example, when the statue was erected and by whom. Also, add some commentary explaining why the statue is offensive in modern times.  This creates a balance between forgetting the past by tearing the statue down and leaving it up where it perpetuates racist sentiment. Even if the memorialized person was racist or colonial, we cannot simply erase the past. That is how we learn. Leaving statues up with an explanation may show future generations how much we have learned.

 

Simply tearing down memorials that are offensive is one method of creating "historical Amnesia," the equivalent of erasing the past. Learn from the past, do not try to pretend atrocities never happened.

Unfortunately leaving them won't work now. They'd just get vandalised. The mob has won, and good people are hiding as too afraid to oppose the mob openly.

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5 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

What's next? 

How about removing Captain Cook's statue in OZ? 

But wait! 

That one is on the chopping block too from all reports... 

well it appears to now being restrained under a police witness protection scheme? 

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5 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

 

It is not a matter of defending statues but of defending democracy. Mob rule in unacceptable and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to learn the lessons of history.

 

Would you regard it as "piquant" if the next targets of these mindless vandals were churches and mosques, monuments to ideologies which thrived on genocide and slavery?

 

 

 

Geez I always thought piquant was the red chilli in Som Tum. The things you learn on ThaiVisa

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28 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

If the Kiwis want to take down any statue or destroy any monument, that's their choice. But the decision should be made democratically, either through their parliament or a referendum. 

The statues were never put in place by a "democratic population! they were placed there by the same ruling "cabal" that is now inciting people to tear them down! the "agenda" has just changed as they need to maintain control while they further their plans to maintain dominance & control, "divide & rule", they know all the tricks, wonder what else they have in store for us?

At least the Main stream media "remains" free, fair & honest, we can rely on them! ????

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The Taliban Strikes Again.  A different anti-Western faction is running this operation, but with the same "destroy history" / "memory hole" tactics of the USSR, which Orwell explained so well.

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