Trump says U.S. to pull some troops from Germany over NATO spending feud

[stevenl]

35 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

Troops pulled out of Germany are supposed to go to Poland if I am correct. Just as close to Putin as can be.

Part of the troops.

[hugocnx]

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Why do you think so, do you presume trump is speaking the truth?

In this case with Germany, YES.

[hugocnx]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Part of the troops.

Yes, of course. I thought you'd understand.

[pegman]

7 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Yeah, and good luck to Euros we have bailed you out in two world wars, eh? 

Yanks  were isolationist until they were attacked themselves. 

[Tug]

7 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Yeah, and good luck to Euros we have bailed you out in two world wars, eh? 

As mr pegman pointed out it was britan and her common wealth allies who held the line till we were attacked and furthermore if there was a (winner) in that horrible conflict it was the United States who reaped the financial benefits with out suffering the horrific civilian casualties yes we did contribute its true but you would be doing a great disservice to all who lost so much more

[bendejo]

Vlad wins again!

"No puppet!  No puppet!  YOU'RE the puppet!" 

 

 

[Cryingdick]

18 hours ago, stevenl said:

Are US troops there to protect Germany or is it in the US interests those troops are there?

 

Withdrawing back to the US would IMO be a strategic mistake, moving to e.g. Poland would be excellent.

 

If I remember that was pretty much the plan. Poland even wanted to name a base after Trump.

[daveAustin]

20 hours ago, meechai said:

Cut them to zero or rent the guarding service out.

 

Times are hard & getting harder there is no reason not to pull in the Military that is costing USA $$$

to protect those that can dang well protect themselves

 

Charity begins at home ????

Typical non-=thought comment. Although ordinary Germans would probably be happy, might be worth doing some research on what the US gets out of having troops in Europe before going in blind. 

[metisdead]

A conspiracy post has been removed. 

[micmichd]

12 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

NATO. But yeah, I'd be cool with moving troops to Poland. Good idea.

Guess you're aware that Poland is a traditional enemy of both Germans and Russians. That's why they prefer NATO (although they're far away from the North Atlantic) While Russians talk about an Eurasian "heartland" with Putin's "values" 

I wouldn't like any of these. 

But, yes, from a geopolitical view it's not a bad idea to create a reliable buffer between Germany and Russia. 

[micmichd]

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

That shows your not existing competence and character. Are you proud to show it like that?

Yes. 

[herfiehandbag]

22 hours ago, franzs said:

We in Europe have now no more threat from the east like 70 years ago, it is the US try to convince us that there is a threat.

Perhaps Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine and Poland may take a slightly different view?

 

[stevenl]

9 hours ago, hugocnx said:

 

 

9 hours ago, hugocnx said:

In this case with Germany, YES.

Disagree, it is all about ego with him, and that was bruised by Merkel's announcement not to join a G7 meeting. 

With an increase already done and more planned, Trump's announcement 'due to not reaching 2%, is strange and to logical thinking people unbelievable.

[herfiehandbag]

I wonder whether Mr Trump (is he talking to his Secretary of State for Defence and the professional heads of the armed forces yet?) has considered whether there are the barracks (and of course associated infrastructure: housing, medical, schools and so on) for these troops and their families? It is a bit more involved than "pick up your bergen and get on the transport"! 

 

That is why it took so long to draw down British Forces Germany after the Soviets sacked it.

Edited June 17, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I wonder whether Mr Trump (is he talking to his Secretary of State for Defence and the professional heads of the armed forces yet?) has considered whether there are the barracks (and of course associated infrastructure: housing, medical, schools and so on) for these troops and their families? It is a bit more involved than "pick up your bergen and get on the transport"! 

 

That is why it took so long to draw down British Forces Germany after the Soviets sacked it.

"That is why it took so long to draw down British Forces Germany after the Soviets sacked it." Huh? 'draw down British Forces Germany', what does that mean? 'the Soviets sacked it', same, what do you mean?

Edited June 17, 2020 by stevenl

[herfiehandbag]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

"That is why it took so long to draw down British Forces Germany after the Soviets sacked it." Huh? 'draw down British Forces Germany', what does that mean? 'the Soviets sacked it', same, what do you mean?

"Draw down" is an accepted term to describe the removal, and relocation of a large garrison and it's associated infrastructure to another (or the home) country. It is inevitably an incremental process.

 

The "Soviets sacked it" is a colloquial (slang) phrase in common use to describe the break up of the Warsaw Pact and the withdrawal of Soviet forces from Eastern Europe.

 

Does that help?

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

"Draw down" is an accepted term to describe the removal, and relocation of a large garrison and it's associated infrastructure to another (or the home) country. It is inevitably an incremental process.

 

The "Soviets sacked it" is a colloquial (slang) phrase in common use to describe the break up of the Warsaw Pact and the withdrawal of Soviet forces from Eastern Europe.

 

Does that help?

Yes, thanks, helps.

 

The soviets sacked it seems to be unknown by Google, but glad to hear it is in common use.

 

Regarding your first part, you should at least have added 'from' to make it English, drawdown from Germany would have been clear.

 

But again, thanks.

[earlinclaifornia]

18 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Honestly, that makes no sense. Any chance you can review and reword? I would LOVE to debate the issue with you.

Sure but honestly you could check google and get the news reads just as easily with little effort.

The move comes amid questions over whether Trump was motivated to pull U.S. troops in response to a souring relationship with German Chancellor Angela Merkel. His decision came shortly after Merkel declined Trump’s invitation to an in-person Group of Seven (G-7) conference this year for nations with large economies.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/503046-trumps-move-to-pull-troops-from-germany-draws-bipartisan-warnings

[herfiehandbag]

9 hours ago, stevenl said:

Regarding your first part, you should at least have added 'from' to make it English, drawdown from Germany would have been clear.

"British Forces Germany" was the name of the garrison in Germany. That is why, in English, all three words start with a capital letter, (in this context they are "proper nouns"). The name implies that they were in Germany, so adding the phrase " from Germany" would have been superfluous, perhaps even tautological!

Edited June 17, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

"British Forces Germany" was the name of the garrison in Germany. That is why, in English, all three words start with a capital letter, (in this context they are "proper nouns"). The name implies that they were in Germany, so adding the phrase " from Germany" would have been superfluous, perhaps even tautological!

Just gooled, and yes, you're right, was their name. Still 'the Soviets sacked it', in common use according to you, is unknown to Google.

 

I call it a tie, you may disagree. And for your sake I won't start a discussion on nouns.

[Crazy Alex]

7 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Sure but honestly you could check google and get the news reads just as easily with little effort.

The move comes amid questions over whether Trump was motivated to pull U.S. troops in response to a souring relationship with German Chancellor Angela Merkel. His decision came shortly after Merkel declined Trump’s invitation to an in-person Group of Seven (G-7) conference this year for nations with large economies.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/503046-trumps-move-to-pull-troops-from-germany-draws-bipartisan-warnings

Yes, go on....