2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

90% of people do not have low insulin levels, or insulin resistance. Most people eat more than their bodies can burn off. You think, looking back 100 years, where most people weren't obese, now all of a sudden, now most people are, is because of insulin resistance? It's not a failed mantra. people are basically lazy creatures, not wanting to do what's necessary to get leaner bodies.

Fred, Fred, Fred. I never said they did.

Just now, NotYourBusiness said:

Sorry to hear about health problems, but you didn't address anything I said. Which is that lower insulin causes you to lose weight REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU EAT. I completely REJECT the calories in, calories out nonsense, There is a lesson there.

READ what I said, especially regarding my mother in law. It doesn't matter that you don't understand what is right there in front of you. Most people don't have what you have, although many do. Most people aren't diabetic, although many are. Most people eat more than their bodies can burn off.

Just now, NotYourBusiness said:

Fred, Fred, Fred. I never said they did.

No, you said people who are obese have chemical imbalances. Your words......................Going back to the OP, I believe that 90% of obese people have a chemical imbalance that number one, makes them hungry all the time, which makes sticking to any diet impossible. And number two, easily packs on the pounds for whatever they DO eat. Impossible for them to be successful without addressing the underlying ROOT CAUSE. .......................... False. You said in a fictional world, but are you thinking this is really the problem?

Edited June 27, 20206 yr by fredwiggy

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, you said people who obese have chemical imbalances. False.

And what if I could PROVE that it was true?

4 minutes ago, NotYourBusiness said:

Hello Simon, thank you great question. It seems you are quite reasonable and always learning new things. With low insulin, your body simply cannot absorb the energy. It is digested, it goes into your blood stream, but the cells cannot utilize it without insulin. It exits your body in stool and urine. Your body cannot absorb it.

 

So the key is (which is what I have successfully done), is to get your insulin lower. Without addressing that, without doing that, this is why most people will fail at diet and exercise. Forget everything else you think you know about weight loss (this means you FRED). All your advice did not work, but getting my insulin down WORKED!

Wait a moment!  Is this whole discussion about obese people who have high insulin levels, because they lead an unhealthy lifestyle?  If you're overweight and don't exercise, then it's very likely that you have a high insulin level.  Changing to a healthy long-term diet and doing some exercise will reduce your insulin level and hence help you to lose weight.

 

People usually have high insulin levels because they don't lead a healthy lifestyle.  Change the latter and you lower the former....

Fat people have a chemical imbalance that makes them constantly hungry

 

Fat people have genetics that make them gain weight no matter what

 

Something government putting into water supply making us fat

 

Eating after 6pm

 

All the usual rubbish and urban myths. 

 

And the usual fad diets, secret easy way out theories. 

 

People its simple.

 

Eat less calories every day than your body needs...you will loose weight. 

 

Now there are things you can do to make it easier if you have no will power.....

 

Eat bulky hight fibre foods that will fill you up and keep you full of you are always hungry.

 

Eating less process food because processed foods are full of calories and quickly digested so you will get hungry again.

 

Exercise to build muscle...as muscle burns more calories when you are resting. You dont have to be a body builder with swollen up arms and legs like tree trunks.

 

Just walking, relaxing cycling, swimming is exercise and will build muscle.

 

People give up and fail as they try dumb quick fox diets and unrealistic exercises. You just need to change your diet a bit and watch calories. So you can still have a beer or chocolate bar..but take those calories into the equation the next time you eat.

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Wait a moment!  Is this whole discussion about obese people who have high insulin levels, because they lead an unhealthy lifestyle?  If you're overweight and don't exercise, then it's very likely that you have a high insulin level.  Changing to a healthy long-term diet and doing some exercise will reduce your insulin level and hence help you to lose weight.

 

People usually have high insulin levels because they don't lead a healthy lifestyle.  Change the latter and you lower the former....

OK thanks Simon, but that didn't work for me. Any other ideas?

 

3 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Fat people have a chemical imbalance that makes them constantly hungry

 

Fat people have genetics that make them gain weight no matter what

 

Something government putting into water supply making us fat

 

Eating after 6pm

 

All the usual rubbish and urban myths. 

 

And the usual fad diets, secret easy way out theories. 

 

People its simple.

 

Eat less calories every day than your body needs...you will loose weight. 

 

Now there are things you can do to make it easier if you have no will power.....

 

Eat bulky hight fibre foods that will fill you up and keep you full of you are always hungry.

 

Eating less process food because processed foods are full of calories and quickly digested so you will get hungry again.

 

Exercise to build muscle...as muscle burns more calories when you are resting. You dont have to be a body builder with swollen up arms and legs like tree trunks.

 

Just walking, relaxing cycling, swimming is exercise and will build muscle.

 

People give up and fail as they try dumb quick fox diets and unrealistic exercises. You just need to change your diet a bit and watch calories. So you can still have a beer or chocolate bar..but take those calories into the equation the next time you eat.

 

Sorry man, none of these things worked for me.

Edited June 27, 20206 yr by NotYourBusiness

Just now, NotYourBusiness said:

Hello Simon, thank you great question. It seems you are quite reasonable and always learning new things. With low insulin, your body simply cannot absorb the energy. It is digested, it goes into your blood stream, but the cells cannot utilize it without insulin. It exits your body in stool and urine. Your body cannot absorb it.

 

This is not digital, it's analog. The lower we can get out insulin, the less our body will absorb from what we eat.

 

So the key is (which is what I have successfully done), is to get your insulin lower. Without addressing that, without doing that, this is why most people will fail at diet and exercise. Forget everything else you think you know about weight loss (this means you FRED). All your advice did not work, but getting my insulin down WORKED!

Quite the contrary, my advice, which I learned all these years, does and has worked for millions of people who have the will power to stay with the lifestyle. You think I'm closed minded but it's actually you that is thinking one sided. What worked for you was to get your insulin levels down. High insulin led you to gain weight in the first place as it does for a number of people. You do not believe in eating healthier and exercising but want to be sedentary and eat whatever you like, not caring about what you put into your body, as long as you are "melting" fat off, at least for now, because this approach will certainly backfire eventually, because a diet that includes donuts and such on a regular basis is a recipe for disaster. I didn't give you advice before. I didn't know you. I gave advice to others and it worked, as it has for me. Forget everything else I THINK I know about weight loss?If you knew what I know you wouldn't comment, as it's a lot more than you can imagine. Like I said before, IF you would have said you had hyperinsulinemia, we would have understood why you are now losing weight because you got it under control. I sent that link telling you ,like I said all along, what you need to do. You kept it up like some riddle, that there was some magical cure for obesity. There isn't. Most people who are fat eat too much. Period. Those that have a disease can help it with, again, a lifestyle change and if needed, medication.

28 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Now NYB, please pay attention. This has all been said before, especially about diabetes, My brother died from it, my wife has it, and i understand it very well. Not knowing when that man's picture was from,before insulin was available, tells us nothing about what he was suffering from. My wife's mom eats quite a bit, has diabetes and takes insulin. She weighs 40kg. This is because here in Thailand, they don't provide here with blood sugar checkers but just give her insulin to take by shots daily. Her blood sugar was 258 fasting the other day, which shows they aren't doing what they should as far as giving her the tests and amount of insulin she needs. YOU said you didn't have any disease. If you had said you had hyperinsulinemia, it would have been easy to understand, but you said you are eating whatever you want, and losing weight. Having what you have and not getting the medicine you need, is taking a risk with your health. I suspected my wife had diabetes a long time now because she was always tired, slept too much and was irritable for no reason. She always ate well, exercised and didn't drink too much water. I asked her to get her blood sugar checked, and it was 207 fasting the first time, 197 the second and 174 the third. That's diabetes, so we went to the hospital for more tests and now she takes metformin, which I hate because of the side effects but there isn't much else to can do.

Try berberine out. 

https://thrivous.com/blogs/views/berberine-and-metformin-for-longevity

Its herbal less side effects in not severe cases it migh twork.

10 minutes ago, NotYourBusiness said:

Sorry man, none of these things working for me.

How long have you been on your current diet?

 

You should eat no more than 1500 calories each 24 hours. 

 

It will take time for the weight to come off...but you will see straight away that you wont be gaining any more weight. 

 

Sometimes it's easy to fool yourself that some foods have less calories than you think. Always round up the calories in the food to be safe. 

 

The other thing that is common is rapid weight loss at the start, which will then level out. Just keep going and eventually the weight starts to come off again.

 

I know it's not fun to be on a diet...but remember once you meet your target weight you can start eating more food...to stop loosing weight...but not gain it back on. 

Edited June 27, 20206 yr by jak2002003

Just now, robblok said:

Try berberine out. 

https://thrivous.com/blogs/views/berberine-and-metformin-for-longevity

Its herbal less side effects in not severe cases it migh twork.

Thanks Rob, I'll mention that to my wife, but you know Thai women, stubborn and think doctors know everything. Metaformin is what they gave her. I hate the idea of medicine unless its absolutely necessary, as diet and exercise can help most diseases. But some you need medicine for. Diabetes is no joke, and it leads to a lot of problems, like my brother dying way before his time from a heart attack.

13 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Wait a moment!  Is this whole discussion about obese people who have high insulin levels, because they lead an unhealthy lifestyle?  If you're overweight and don't exercise, then it's very likely that you have a high insulin level.  Changing to a healthy long-term diet and doing some exercise will reduce your insulin level and hence help you to lose weight.

 

People usually have high insulin levels because they don't lead a healthy lifestyle.  Change the latter and you lower the former....

Like you said insulin problems are rare. But they happen in fat people and then they have to change what they eat or how they eat. Yes insulin problems can make it hard to lose fat but if you change to a healthy diet you wont have insulin problems. 

 

NotYourBusiness is eating donuts, not really healthy and it gives a clue in what kind of person he is. He also does not want to exercise.  Not that that is a problem but anyone who wants to be healthy needs to do some sort of exercise. There is no debate possible about this. That he won't again shows a character flaw. Exercise is not that hard find something you like or not hate and do. Does not have to be hard.

 

You also made the right comment about lifestyle change as did I. NotYourBusiness  is thinking diet and then going back gorging himself on donuts.

12 minutes ago, NotYourBusiness said:

OK thanks Simon, but that didn't work for me. Any other ideas?

 

It did not work because you did not stick to it. So the only idea is for you to grow a spine.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Thanks Rob, I'll mention that to my wife, but you know Thai women, stubborn and think doctors know everything. Metaformin is what they gave her. I hate the idea of medicine unless its absolutely necessary, as diet and exercise can help most diseases. But some you need medicine for. Diabetes is no joke, and it leads to a lot of problems, like my brother dying way before his time from a heart attack.

Yes I know they believe doctors and so do I. This has been researched by doctors and scientists. But i get it not everyone wants to go herbal. I certainly am in general not a believer of herbal over other medicine. I take berberine to help me get even better blood sugar levels. 

 

When your insulin is working great its easier to lose weight and fat (though you still need to burn more then what you eat). 

 

The whole insulin thing is a bit of a red herring that NotYourBusiness throws because if you eat a low amout of calories your carb levels will go down and so will your insulin levels. Also with exercise you will get a better insulin response. It looks a lot like NotYourBusiness is one of those guys that expect a quick fix and was not ready to go on and wait for things to happen.

 

He keeps trolling by not saying what he changed nothing more nothing less. 

Just now, robblok said:

Yes I know they believe doctors and so do I. This has been researched by doctors and scientists. But i get it not everyone wants to go herbal. I certainly am in general not a believer of herbal over other medicine. I take berberine to help me get even better blood sugar levels. 

 

When your insulin is working great its easier to lose weight and fat (though you still need to burn more then what you eat). 

 

The whole insulin thing is a bit of a red herring that NotYourBusiness throws because if you eat a low amout of calories your carb levels will go down and so will your insulin levels. Also with exercise you will get a better insulin response. It looks a lot like NotYourBusiness is one of those guys that expect a quick fix and was not ready to go on and wait for things to happen.

 

He keeps trolling by not saying what he changed nothing more nothing less. 

And I've been saying all along change your lifestyle, which he didn't want to stick with, looking for an easy fix that won't last. There's no getting around eating well and exercising if you want to be healthy and lean. It isn't easy as food, especially some food, tastes so good and you don't want to go without. I've given up a lot of food to stay lean. I miss it a little, but after so many years, it doesn't matter anymore. If I can treat myself with pizza, a cheeseburger or a piece of candy once in awhile, i don't regret it because the other 99% I'm eating healthy. I won't eat a donut though  lol

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

And I've been saying all along change your lifestyle, which he didn't want to stick with, looking for an easy fix that won't last. There's no getting around eating well and exercising if you want to be healthy and lean. It isn't easy as food, especially some food, tastes so good and you don't want to go without. I've given up a lot of food to stay lean. I miss it a little, but after so many years, it doesn't matter anymore. If I can treat myself with pizza, a cheeseburger or a piece of candy once in awhile, i don't regret it because the other 99% I'm eating healthy. I won't eat a donut though  lol

Yes its a lifestyle change and I understand that is hard its hard for most people. Just look at all the food that is available. The bad foods just taste good. However after changing to healthier food you will miss it a lot less. 

 

Now going to get 4 scrambled eggs with some onions and tomato. That is my breakfast for today. I am a bit late. 

 

When i was eating <deleted> food a couple of months ago I loved it. Nice to eat not 1 but 2 cheese cakes or order from taco bell a lot. Whatever i wanted i would take a lot. Because eating bad foods also increased my appetite. Its a fact that <deleted> food is more addictive. I was lucky that i did not gain too much fat and that much of it is gone already. Now just going back to clear the last bits till i got a 6 pack back. 

 

Bad food is addictive, sure you can eat a pizza or a cheesburger once in a while as long as you eat good foods the rest of the time. Especially during maintenance its not that bad.

You never see a fat skeleton.  Stop eating you c*nt.

On 6/20/2020 at 1:10 PM, fredwiggy said:

There are three body types, ectomorph (those that usually stay slim no matter what), mesomorph (those that can be lean when they follow a good diet), and endomorph (those that to eat lean to stay lean and put on weight easily). The  easiest ways to stay slim if you have a tendency to put on weight are, do not eat past 7PM, as your usually doing less then and will store the calories. Eat 5 small meals a day instead of three larger ones, because if you take in less calories, you will store less. Never drink calories. No sugar sodas or drinks, no fruit juices (the fruit is better, has less sugar and more fiber), and if you use milk, drink it in cereal or oatmeal, and not as a drink, and use skim or 1%, never whole milk. Any alcohol is sugar, so limit drinking (I know, impossible for most expats, but if you drink too much sugar, the body has to burn that off first before stored fat) Take stairs instead of elevators or escalators. (Unless you're in the Empire State Building and want to prove a point). Trim all fat from meat before cooking (I know, fat makes meat taste better, but....), Limit any refined sugar (candy, cakes, pies, snacks, etc. ) to a snack and a small one. When you're older, you have to lower your carbohydrate (rice is good but not at every meal like they do here) intake because your metabolism is slower as you age. Eat more fish and chicken and less pork and beef. Eggs are good but eat more whites than yolks. Eliminate fried foods if you need to lose weight. Salads are great but you ruin them if you overload the high calorie dressings ( low fat is ok but sometimes means high sugar, find those with both). Walking daily is good, but weight training is better especially when you age because you lose muscle with age, and the more muscle your body carries, the more you burn calories.  Pretty easy , just takes motivation, desire and will power, especially if you haven't done much all your life .

Hello TV Reader,

Doctor Semmelweis lived in Hungaria in the early 1800's. He collected a lot of data that showed that doctors could prevent fatal cases of puerperal fever by simply washing their hands after operating on cadavers before assisting in a live birth. Unfortunately, in spite of having lots of data to support his position, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time, and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. He died after being committed to an insane asylum, a broken man. Years later, it was obvious that he was correct, and the doctors at the time were hopelessly antiquated.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

 

For anyone who has not been able to lose weight in the past, it's not your fault. God knows it wasn't my fault. You are NOT alone. Please read Fred's well intentioned recommendations (and I'm not picking on you Fred). Then, I recommend that you basically ignore all of them, particularly the low fat recommendations. Actually, I don't mean ignore, I mean that some of what he says is in fact correct, like low sugar, for example. It's just that it is not at all the most important thing, so you should ignore it UNTIL you understand the most important thing. Then, AFTER THAT, come back to this again.

 

On the other hand, please proceed to follow Fred's advice if you look forward to strict diet control, lots of rules, and 45 years of working out, because that is what he has said he did if I recall correctly. Yes, I agree, probably, do that and you can see success. I, and the commenters on YouTube, have SUCCESS and we are not doing ANY of those things. Fat and old people who can do limited exercise are LOSING WEIGHT without special foods and without exercise. Which way do YOU want it?

 

So what to do if none of those recommendations worked before? Start by watching some videos by "Butter Bob" on YouTube. Bob is no longer in the public eye after a lot of hate and scorn was heaped on him from the online health community, kind of similar to here on TV. But the proof is in the results. Please read the COMMENTS on his videos for inspiration, and see the thousands of people that found lasting SUCCESS after a lifetime of failure. This is the most important thing you can do, first and foremost: understand the problem with your body. Do not expect Fred or Robblok to understand it. They are like the doctors that had Semmelweis committed to the asylum, hopelessly caught in their own dogma.

 

Continue to remember the pictures that I posted. High insulin --> fat babies, low insulin --> skinny (this is REGARDLESS of diet). After that, dig some more into the role of insulin in weight control. Understand how it works. Forget everything about diet and exercise until you understand the role of insulin. Then do some more digging and understand how to naturally lower your insulin, without drugs or special foods. Read the video comments for inspiration. You are not alone and you can do this.

 

And that is a LOT BETTER advice than "grow a spine". Ridiculous and worthless. I will respectfully bow out of this thread here. Over to you Fred and Robbloks. Don't lead them down that dead end "eat less, exercise more" dogma. Accept that there might me a better way, learn. Don't be like the doctors that had Semmelweis committed. And a thumbs up would tell me that all the time I spent butting heads with these guys was worth it, that is actually accomplished something. And come back in six months and post again your success story ????

Edited June 27, 20206 yr by NotYourBusiness

@NotyourBusiness, for pity's sake, stop watching 'fad' videos on Youtube.  You cannot defy the Laws of Physics.  The big difference between you and I and Fred and Robblock etc is that we have will-power - we know that getting and staying fit and healthy is not a quick fix.  It takes time, but doesn't require one to eat lettuce leaves for the rest of your life.  You, like many others, have become addicted to processed foods, laden with excess sugar and other cr*p.  The food manufacturers love people like you, because you are too 'weak' to break out of the circle of addiction.

 

Good luck with your doughnuts ????

55 minutes ago, NotYourBusiness said:

For anyone who has not been able to lose weight in the past, it's not your fault. God knows it wasn't my fault.

Of course it's your fault ....... nobody forces you to eat lots and sit around all day.

1 hour ago, NotYourBusiness said:

 

 

Continue to remember the pictures that I posted. High insulin --> fat babies, low insulin --> skinny (this is REGARDLESS of diet). After that, dig some more into the role of insulin in weight control. Understand how it works. Forget everything about diet and exercise until you understand the role of insulin. Then do some more digging and understand how to naturally lower your insulin, without drugs or special foods. Read the video comments for inspiration. You are not alone and you can do this.

 

 

Now its clear he is advertising some discredited dr. Now its clear why he was so secretive.

 

You do know that high insulin is a response to what you eat and that your doughnuts give a far higher insulin response then lets say chicken breasts or even musli. To know more about insulin and what foods cause it I would advise you to look at the glycemic load. You also know that amounts matter. 200 grams of rices gives off far more insulin then 100 grams of rice.

 

So all your ramblings about that it does not matter what you eat or how much is just that ramblings of an other guy unwilling to change his food pattern.

 

You should also know that insulin can be kept under control by exercise. 

 

Now that you know all those things you probably feel really foolish as these are things that are automatically corrected if you start eating mainly unprocessed foods (not your doughnuts). Then you ad exercise and your insulin response gets even better. 

 

Wait.. we have been advertising unprocessed and healthy foods all the time.. and exercise  too.. and now you come with insulin.. both are influenced by WHAT and HOW MUCH you eat and by exercise.

 

Id say its you who is a fool, thankfully most people already recognize that. 

 

57 minutes ago, NotYourBusiness said:

Hello TV Reader,

Doctor Semmelweis lived in Hungaria in the early 1800's. He collected a lot of data that showed that doctors could prevent fatal cases of puerperal fever by simply washing their hands after operating on cadavers before assisting in a live birth. Unfortunately, in spite of having lots of data to support his position, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time, and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. He died after being committed to an insane asylum, a broken man. Years later, it was obvious that he was correct, and the doctors at the time were hopelessly antiquated.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

 

For anyone who has not been able to lose weight in the past, it's not your fault. God knows it wasn't my fault. You are NOT alone. Please read Fred's well intentioned recommendations (and I'm not picking on you Fred). Then, I recommend that you basically ignore all of them, particularly the low fat recommendations. Actually, I don't mean ignore, I mean that some of what he says is in fact correct, like low sugar, for example. It's just that it is not at all the most important thing, so you should ignore it UNTIL you understand the most important thing. Then, AFTER THAT, come back to this again.

 

On the other hand, please proceed to follow Fred's advice if you look forward to strict diet control, lots of rules, and 45 years of working out, because that is what he has said he did if I recall correctly. Yes, I agree, probably, do that and you can see success. I, and the commenters on YouTube, have SUCCESS and we are not doing ANY of those things. Fat and old people who can do limited exercise are LOSING WEIGHT without special foods and without exercise. Which way do YOU want it?

 

So what to do if none of those recommendations worked before? Start by watching some videos by "Butter Bob" on YouTube. Bob is no longer in the public eye after a lot of hate and scorn was heaped on him from the online health community, kind of similar to here on TV. But the proof is in the results. Please read the COMMENTS on his videos for inspiration, and see the thousands of people that found lasting SUCCESS after a lifetime of failure. This is the most important thing you can do, first and foremost: understand the problem with your body. Do not expect Fred or Robblok to understand it. They are like the doctors that had Semmelweis committed to the asylum, hopelessly caught in their own dogma.

 

Continue to remember the pictures that I posted. High insulin --> fat babies, low insulin --> skinny (this is REGARDLESS of diet). After that, dig some more into the role of insulin in weight control. Understand how it works. Forget everything about diet and exercise until you understand the role of insulin. Then do some more digging and understand how to naturally lower your insulin, without drugs or special foods. Read the video comments for inspiration. You are not alone and you can do this.

 

And that is a LOT BETTER advice than "grow a spine". Ridiculous and worthless. I will respectfully bow out of this thread here. Over to you Fred and Robbloks. Don't lead them down that dead end "eat less, exercise more" dogma. Accept that there might me a better way, learn. Don't be like the doctors that had Semmelweis committed. And a thumbs up would tell me that all the time I spent butting heads with these guys was worth it, that is actually accomplished something. And come back in six months and post again your success story ????

NTB, I have done research all these 45 years about a lot of ailments, so I can help not only myself, but people I've trained. The holistic approach is always better than taking medicine, because medicine has side effects which can be worse than the disease you have. Granted , medicine IS necessary in a lot of diseases, but, doctors have been over prescribing for years and kill a lot of people every year from overdoses, especially opiods. If you have high insulin, like that link I provided, a good diet can help it. If it doesn't do everything , then you get medicine that will help lower it. Most of the problems people have are from one two things. genetics and bad lifestyle. The multi billion dollar pharmaceutical business relies on people getting sick and having these diseases. Cancer should be cured already, but if it was, think of how much money these companies would lose from cancer medicine loss. It has never been and never will be a dead end road by adopting a new lifestyle of better eating and exercise. It's actually the best way to ensure better health. If you have high insulin levels, you go to a specialist that understands nutrition (not all doctors understand nutrition, which is why they're quick to supply drugs) and get evaluated. Most will tell you to change your eating habits, which is why your levels are high in the first place (usually). Some people are pre-disposed from birth to have problems, genetics,and they will still benefit from a healthier lifestyle. I'm not a doctor, and haven't diagnosed you. I'm a nutritionist person, who knows what you should and shouldn't eat, and one that relies on exercise to not only stay lean, but to build muscle to keeps you lean. Your words.....................Then do some more digging and understand how to naturally lower your insulin..............where I responded by providing that link, which repeated what I already told you.

If yer bored with this Porkers Bickerfest, look up Mop Buckets its getting as funny bad.

5 hours ago, NotYourBusiness said:

Hello Fred, I did go back and read all of your previous posts. I really believe that you have your beliefs in what works for you and you are sincere in trying to help people. But here's the problem. I did all these things almost my whole life and they don't work for me. Consistently gaining an average of 1kg per year, after 30 years, do the math.......

 

Not quibbling, but your first sentences discuss body types. So then it's NOT just about diet and exercise? There are other factors? Because that is what I have been saying all along. The pictures I posted show examples of people not in control of their weight. There are other factors. One other minor thing, pure alcohol products like rum, vodka, gin, tequila and whiskey all contain no carbs. They are metabolized quite differently than sugar.

 

Back to the thread. So if what you have written hasn't worked for someone, what would you tell them? Try harder? As I said before, these people like me are generally already mentally defeated. Trying harder in that mental state is impossible. So what would you suggest? Because there is a better way. I am proof.

 

 

You say , there is a better way. I am proof. Then prove it ! Show us before and after photos  or just tell us what seems to be working for you. I don't think any of us are so closed minded that if someone came up with a surefire way to lose weight in a healthy way that we would just continue to say diet and exercise. You keep saying  you have found the way yet won't disclose  what it is. Hey maybe we aren't as smart as you and can't figure it out from your clues so why not just tell us? I for one  might try it , we aren't just closed minded individuals stuck in a mindset that there is only one way to accomplish a task. Show us (tell us ) another way. If not I am out of here as I call  "troll" just talking for the sake of getting replies and saying nothing

1 hour ago, NotYourBusiness said:

For anyone who has not been able to lose weight in the past, it's not your fault. //

Uh?

I have never been able to lose weight... because I never accepted to take weight ! 

 

Happened a few times that I took 3-4 kg too many. I just immediately reacted and have been careful with my food a few days, and everything quickly come back to normal.

I imagine it's a lot of more difficult when it's 30-40 kg! but these kg didn't arrive in just a few days! You fault to not react more quickly.

 

And to answer the OP's question: I would say 99% due to lifestyle, type and quantity of food.

On 6/25/2020 at 9:21 PM, Tony125 said:

 

Pump Up the Intensity of Your Walking Workout With These Bodyweight Moves

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/pump-intensity-walking-workout-bodyweight-070100275.html

7 hours ago, NotYourBusiness said:

Just walking, relaxing cycling, swimming is exercise and will build muscle.

Not much. Resistance exercise does, though.

On 6/25/2020 at 7:42 PM, Logosone said:

That's exactly it I think, WE are the visual ones, for us looks are so important. Not for women. Women have one shot. They look at a whole list of things, to ensure this is the best possible mate long term.

 

I also couldn't go with most Thai women, because I can't be with a woman that can't speak English. For sex sure, but I mean in a relationship. If you can't communicate, it's so frustrating.

 

Intelligence in a woman is a wonderful thing. So attractive. So elusive. Boring women are terrible. And women must think the same about boring men.

Its in the DNA .. Think about it .. How does nature ensure our race survival? 

 

A woman has to carry a child for 9 months. Then she has to look after it to ensure it survives. What she look for in a man is different. What does she want in a man depends on where she is in her life cycle....  

12 hours ago, simon43 said:

OP, unless I've missed it, you really need to tell us what you eat/drink every day, what your lifestyle is, what exercise you do etc.

I walk and do pushups. I don't count calories or anything, but if it's obvious the food is junk, I don't eat it. Virtually no soda, juices, alcohol. 

 

...Perhaps the subject of obesity is far outside your area of expertise...but I still wish to ask:  In your scientific judgment, about what percent of the human population is essentially doomed to a life of obesity (even if they make a sincere effort to exercise and eat reasonably healthy)?