Teenager killed in Seattle protest zone shooting, one wounded

[ChouDoufu]

oh, gosh, another death.  2:30am saturday, so the news has had time to spread.  i hope the nation is prepared for tonight's rioting.

[neverere]

11 hours ago, Lantern said:

 

You watch this channel when Fox news is off air ?

[connda]

19 minutes ago, JingerBen said:

Your experience of Seattle could apply to numerous other cities in the US.

Take a ride on AMTRAK from NY to DC and you will see what the inner cities of Newark, Trenton, Philadelphia, and Baltimore have become.

The train trip takes in the urban jungles whereas travelling by car on the interstates you see the modern facade which doesn't go too deep.

You are correct there.  AMTRAK is an eye opener. The route from Seattle to LA is not so bad even as you travel though the inner-cities.  I've also lived in the North East and the Eastern seaboard although I tended to steer clear on the inner cities.  Nothing there I was interested in.

[connda]

3 hours ago, Roadman said:

Or likewise if blacks, minorities, immigrants etc, didn’t come at cops aggressively then they might find themselves getting a better reception from cops. 

Compliantly obey and then we will only throw you forcefully to the ground and drop a knee on your neck while cuffing your - but - we won't beat you with batons, taze you, or shoot you in the back (well, with lead - we may shoot you with rubber bullets or paint ball so we know you'll submit and show proper respect).  Uh-huh. 

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Thank you. Your last statement kind of sums this up. Even as a white man I am treated with disdain by the LAPD. They are just incredibly nasty cops. And as a white man, if I feel that way it says alot. I have seen firsthand how my black and Hispanic friends are treated by these guys. Never felt that way in NYC. Different police departments. Different attitudes and philosophies. 

 

For anyone who is open minded enough to look at the facts, check out the job the Camden, NJ police dept did. What a difference that made. 

I would encourage you to consider your attitude with regards to how you are treated by the police. I and many, many people I know are courteous and kind and have never been mistreated by the police. I will leave it to others to decide if what you post indicates a link to your overall attitude and how you are treated by the police.

 

On the other hand, LA is a liberal stronghold. So there's that.

[neverere]

59 minutes ago, pineapple01 said:

Not if your lefty.

Or have the ability to think for yourself, source facts and interpret them.

 

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, connda said:

Compliantly obey and then we will only throw you forcefully to the ground and drop a knee on your neck while cuffing your - but - we won't beat you with batons, taze you, or shoot you in the back (well, with lead - we may shoot you with rubber bullets or paint ball so we know you'll submit and show proper respect).  Uh-huh. 

Well over 99.99% of of police interactions with civilians turn out just fine. Much of it has to do with how the civilian behaves. In a large majority of cases where leftists whine about the police, it turns out the person wronged has a long rap sheet and a history of negative interactions with the police.

[neverere]

19 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Wow. No comment about a man being murdered by savages. Your only concern is Fox News and Sky News.

My concern is that you post some meaningless propaganda as if it has any bearing on the issue.

In response to your deflection, I don't recall you commenting on a man being murdered.

I must have missed the bit about the crime being committed by savages.

[Crazy Alex]

17 minutes ago, neverere said:

Or have the ability to think for yourself, source facts and interpret them.

 

Yes, you mean like seeing a man about to kick a man who is already down and realizing there is something terribly wrong?

[Deli]

Would the same people have the balls to do this in S'pore, China, Thailand ?

I doubt. Get in the Humvees and clear the area.

[neverere]

2 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, you mean like seeing a man about to kick a man who is already down and realizing there is something terribly wrong?

I am not sure what you are trying to tell me. 

[daoyai]

17 minutes ago, connda said:

Compliantly obey and then we will only throw you forcefully to the ground and drop a knee on your neck while cuffing your - but - we won't beat you with batons, taze you, or shoot you in the back (well, with lead - we may shoot you with rubber bullets or paint ball so we know you'll submit and show proper respect).  Uh-huh. 

Are you talking about Saint George Floyd?  He did not obey, resisted every attempt to be put in the cruiser, he dropped to the ground and that made the cop lose it and kill him (yes, a terrible act). If St. George had gotten in the car he would be alive today, probably out of jail and planning his next felony.  ... comply or die.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Fox news is better?

No news is impartial and reports all the facts.  There was a time that stories would be reported after all the information was obtained and only reported, no commentary and no spin.  The MSM is partially to blame for issues on a daily basis as they never report the whole truth only what they need to sensationalize the story for there own ratings.  This started in the US about the time of the pursuit of OJ Simpson in the slow moving white bronco which was shown live.  Nothing is reported Fair and Balanced as Fox News Fox "Faux" News use to say.  Make of it what you will.  I feel sorry that people believe only what they hear from one news source instead of verifying the story themselves, which they should not have to do.  I myself unfortunately have fallen prey to the MSM propaganda from certain sites without checking the whole story and learning "The Rest of the Story" as Paul Harvey would say on his radio program.

Edited June 21, 2020 by ThailandRyan

[Crazy Alex]

9 minutes ago, neverere said:

My concern is that you post some meaningless propaganda as if it has any bearing on the issue.

In response to your deflection, I don't recall you commenting on a man being murdered.

I must have missed the bit about the crime being committed by savages.

Perhaps you should get some more information on the crime. Your focus on complaining about Fox News and Sky News while a teenager is dead indicates your priorities leave much to be desired by rational people in the real world.

[Crazy Alex]

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

No news is impartial and reports all the facts.  There was a time that stories would be reported after all the information was obtained and only reported, no commentary and no spin.  The MSM is partially to blame for issues on a daily basis as they never report the whole truth only what they need to sensationalize the story for there own ratings.  This started in the US about the time of the pursuit of OJ Simpson in the slow moving white bronco which was shown live.  Nothing is report Fair and Balanced as Fox News Fox "Faux" News use to say.  Make of it what you will.  I feel sorry that people believe only what they hear from one news source instead of verifying the story themselves, which they should not have to do.  I myself unfortunately have fallen prey to the NSM propaganda from certain sites without checking the whole story and learning "The Rest of the Story" as Paul Harvey would say on his radio program.

Nice post. Regardless of one's political leanings, it's best to read a variety of sources and hope enough actual facts have  been presented to figure out the real story.

[neverere]

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

Perhaps you should get some more information on the crime. Your focus on complaining about Fox News and Sky News while a teenager is dead indicates your priorities leave much to be desired by rational people in the real world.

Feel free to share any details you think may have escaped me. My comments were in reaction to the clip you posted. Your deflection is sadly common in those who remain entrenched in their limited/outdated views.

[Crazy Alex]

2 minutes ago, neverere said:

Feel free to share any details you think may have escaped me. My comments were in reaction to the clip you posted. Your deflection is sadly common in those who remain entrenched in their limited/outdated views.

I didn't post any clip. And it's up to you to get informed.

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

Plenty of mention of it on cnn

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/20/us/seattle-capitol-hill-chop-chaz-shooting/index.html

Have they blamed it on Trump yet?

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed. 

[chrisandsu]

2 hours ago, connda said:

I lived most of my life in the Pacific Northwest and Seattle was a pretty wonderful place 40 to 50 years ago.  I've many fond memories of the area.  However, it's devolved into a cesspool over the years.  The people who live there have raised and nurtured the monster that grows in their midst.  And yet, most locals support the anarchy and mayhem.  I'm sure when the 'woke' crowds seeking to level the economic playing field start entering the neighbourhoods and forcing homeowners to communally share their million dollar homes - well - hey, maybe they'll still support the New Normal that sorta looks like a scene out of Doctor Zhivago after the Bolshevik Revolution as their new house mates take over their homes.  All for the cause, right?  Peace, Love, central control, defund the police, eat the rich? 

Yeah, it was a beautiful place at one time.  I'm glad I had the opportunity to live there back in the day.  I'll keep the memories.  No plans to return. 

Great points . To me it’s still one of t he most beautiful places on earth but has been trashed by the wack job Californians that have trashed California but now want to spread the same disease all over the west coast ! I have lived here 15 years and the change has been monumental . The funniest part is the looney left were only too happy for the homeless camps until it started happening in the wealthier areas and then city hall started getting overrun with complaints ! Kind of you can trash their area over there but don’t you dare come into Queen Anne or Ballard .  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, chrisandsu said:

Absolute rubbish . Eastern Washington does not have a white supremacist issue .  

 

The Associated Press and the Southern Poverty Law Center disagree with you:

 

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Hate makes a comeback in the Pacific Northwest

May 26, 2019

 

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — Nearly two decades after the Aryan Nations’ Idaho compound was demolished, far-right extremists are maintaining a presence in the Pacific Northwest.

 

White nationalism has been on the rise across the U.S., but it has particular resonance along the Idaho-Washington border, where the Aryans espoused hate and violence for years.

...

In 2018, at least nine hate groups operated in the region of Spokane and northern Idaho, including Identity Evropa, Proud Boys, ACT for America and America’s Promise Ministries, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

 

https://apnews.com/f2c9c20176ea427fa3833bbcbbe1a265

 

And then there's this wonderful guy:

 

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Also last month, The Guardian published internet chats from 2017 in which a Washington state legislator and three other men discussed confronting “leftists” with a variety of tactics, including violence, surveillance and intimidation.
 

The messages prompted Washington House Democrats to demand that the Republican lawmaker, Rep. Matt Shea of Spokane Valley, be reprimanded for a history of far-right speech and activities. While Shea did not propose violence, he did not speak up when violence was proposed, Democrats said.

 

 

I believe you said you live or lived in the area. You don't seem to know your own area very well, or is it just that you're keeping your eyes and mind closed?

 

 

[chrisandsu]

So what you are telling me is that let’s say 50 white supremacy guys are making the whole of eastern Washington a racial hot bed ? Do you realise how unbelievably stupid that sounds ? There is probably more Nation of Islam in one street in Tacoma then the whole white supremacy movement in eastern Washington ! 3 white people was killed in a park in the UK yesterday by a racist terrorist let’s hope you have a link to that and are ready to go march in their honour . Of course you won’t as you are the sort of person who only sees injustices one way . I also looked at your 30 groups ...... at least half of them are black separatist groups ???? 

Edited June 21, 2020 by chrisandsu

[chrisandsu]

They also consider the proud boys a hate group ???? so anyone that opposes far left ideologies is now considered a hate group ? You do know the southern poverty centre is making money in looking for issues that are not there ? It’s funny how they never go after the Zionist or black separatist groups isn’t it ? 

[MaxYakov]

13 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

1. Nowhere in the OP article does it say the ethnicity of the victims, nor anything about the ethnicity or background of the shooter(s).

 

Although, the Seattle Times report today includes a reference that appears to indicate at least one of the two victims, presumably the fatality, was black.

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/after-early-morning-shooting-in-chop-occupied-area-returns-to-its-new-normal/

 

2. Washington State is hardly some kind of left-wing refuge. Eastern Washington has a major problem with white supremacist and nationalist groups that has been well publicized.

 

 

A bit early in the going to draw any firm conclusions about just what happened here.

 

Except for the fact that if fewer white police officers around the country had spent the past decades abusing blacks, minorities, immigrants, etc., they might find themselves getting a better reception when they try to deal with crimes in those communities.

 

Is that a "fact"? Or is it just your opinion? What are your credentials to comment on police abuse in the US? And don't give us that you heard it from BLM or the MSM or through leftist propaganda pushing that narrative.

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[nausea]

Law and order seems to breaking down generally, not just the CHOP/CHAZ area. Many shootings overnight (CBS Minnesota). And that just the shootings, anyone's guess at the number of rapes, robberies, etc.. I guess this is what happens when you totally diss your police force.

 

[lannarebirth]

13 hours ago, connda said:

I lived most of my life in the Pacific Northwest and Seattle was a pretty wonderful place 40 to 50 years ago.  I've many fond memories of the area.  However, it's devolved into a cesspool over the years.  The people who live there have raised and nurtured the monster that grows in their midst.  And yet, most locals support the anarchy and mayhem.  I'm sure when the 'woke' crowds seeking to level the economic playing field start entering the neighbourhoods and forcing homeowners to communally share their million dollar homes - well - hey, maybe they'll still support the New Normal that sorta looks like a scene out of Doctor Zhivago after the Bolshevik Revolution as their new house mates take over their homes.  All for the cause, right?  Peace, Love, central control, defund the police, eat the rich? 

Yeah, it was a beautiful place at one time.  I'm glad I had the opportunity to live there back in the day.  I'll keep the memories.  No plans to return. 

 

Ironically, it was a much more beautiful place before large segments of the population became upwardly mobile. Same goes for SF. The yuppies destroyed both cities.

[ThailandRyan]

19 minutes ago, nausea said:

Law and order seems to breaking down generally, not just the CHOP/CHAZ area. Many shootings overnight (CBS Minnesota). And that just the shootings, anyone's guess at the number of rapes, robberies, etc.. I guess this is what happens when you totally diss your police force.

 

I have talked to many of my former colleagues in the US, in Florida, California, Oregon and in Washington. They have stepped back across the void and unfortunately will not enforce certain crimes or investigate them as if they become involved they will become a target and be looked upon by their own Department and City managers as being to heavy handed and are in fear of loosing there jobs over doing the right thing when it comes. 

 

Politicians and City leaders believe they know what's best, but this is going to turn out very badly unless a hard stance is taken and the BS that is being spewed in stopped.  There is right and wrong, and unfortunately there are those that have been heavy handed.  When a crime was committed, be it a citizens complaint of excessive force or an off duty allegation, my Department investigated it and if found it was determined and could be proved that what was alleged occurred or if it was a direct violation of policies and was of such an egregious nature the individual was terminated and if warranted the investigation was turned over to the DA for prosecution.  If society would obey the laws in place and if law enforcement would enforce them without prejudice and individuals cooperated then we would not see what we have seen. 

 

Yes there are bad apples in every profession and they should be weeded out.  I learned when I was young that you treat people with respect and treat them how you would expect to be treated if in a similar situation.  However, force is met with force and escalation is always based upon the way the individual being investigated acts.  You do not let a drunk driver go down the road, I fired two officers, over my 30 year career, because they did so because they did not want the conflict and were scared of the way the individual reacted to them and feared a conflict.  Unfortunately within 5 minutes of being let drive away the individual became involved in an accident which took someone's life.  Not only was that individual at fault but a family lost a loved one which was also my Departments responsibility and we acted appropriately in handling it. 

 

I can not speak for other agencies and yes mine made some mistakes, but when you work in an ethnic melting pot such as California and there are pockets of those individuals the statistics always look disproportionate in comparison to others.  Respect of all people regardless of race, color, and creed should be a standard for everyone, not only in law enforcement.  To stand back and let these folks in Seattle make there own little world is tantamount to anarchy and disobedience to all even themselves.

[spidermike007]

16 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

I would encourage you to consider your attitude with regards to how you are treated by the police. I and many, many people I know are courteous and kind and have never been mistreated by the police. I will leave it to others to decide if what you post indicates a link to your overall attitude and how you are treated by the police.

 

On the other hand, LA is a liberal stronghold. So there's that.

Nope. Wrong. I have law enforcement in the family, and I respect the job they are doing. Does not mean I like them all. I treat them with respect and regard them kindly. It is up to them whether or not they choose to be butt heads or not. A cop friend told me once, that if you get pulled over, always try to get the cop to laugh. He said it was a tough job, and if someone got him to laugh, he would nearly always let them slide with a warning, even if they were speeding. So, I usually say "Officer I am sorry I am late. I did everything in my power to get here just as fast as I could!". It often gets a chuckle out of them, and that is a good start. 

 

16 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Well over 99.99% of of police interactions with civilians turn out just fine. Much of it has to do with how the civilian behaves. In a large majority of cases where leftists whine about the police, it turns out the person wronged has a long rap sheet and a history of negative interactions with the police.

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As an older white man, driving a decent car, I do not fit any police profile. Yet, some choose to be absolutely ugly people. It is their choice. I did not provoke them on any level. Some are just idiots, with a lot of power and guns, and terrible personalities. And I would highly and aggressively dispute your figure of 99.9%. Maybe for you. Not for most of us. Closer to 90% maybe. Reform of the police in the US is an absolute necessity. None of the inane defunding. Just reform, and a very close look at the fabulously toxic police unions. 

Edited June 22, 2020 by spidermike007

[riclag]

On 6/21/2020 at 7:57 PM, Crazy Alex said:

Well over 99.99% of of police interactions with civilians turn out just fine. Much of it has to do with how the civilian behaves. In a large majority of cases where leftists whine about the police, it turns out the person wronged has a long rap sheet and a history of negative interactions with the police.

 To your point! 10 million arrests by 800k police. There's bound to be 1 percent sickies, that are pretending to be humans in law enforcement. In the mean time innocent law abiding citizens and business owners are saying ,hey what about me as they dial 911 and get ,were responding to that call. The police are being demonized so now some are apprehensive to  participate(mai sabai) in enforcing the laws!

Growing up I hated that power badge. It reminds me of my old man saying some day you'll understand as he dished out his mean parental guidance

Edited June 22, 2020 by riclag