UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

and the working classes initially loved him till they realised he was a tory,now in a turn up for the books the working class vote for boris after blairs betrayal.

The penny still hasn't dropped with Labour that the country doesn't want lefty politics.

Edited July 7, 2020 by vogie

[Rookiescot]

9 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Why hide behind % when everyone knows the Value of motor vehicles exported to the EU from the UK  is lower than the value of motor vehicles imported into the UK from the EU

You will be able to show figures to back up what everyone knows?

[vinny41]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

You will be able to show figures to back up what everyone knows?

You mean that the EU export value of motor vehicles to the UK is substantially higher than the UK export of motor vehicles to the EU is

[izod10]

last years trade imbalance was 73 billion,been far higher years before with EU. This largely was brought about by Germany,  .   Now Germany can produce surpluses,huge amounts by operating with a cheap currency,held down by the likes of Italy Spain  Greece and suchlike,surpluses handed back to those countries to survive.

 Now when it comes to export market Germany is cheaper,but now trade war looms with US,   EU is in for a thrashing,but the UK fishing ban will cause  immense damage etc throughout EU

Edited July 7, 2020 by izod10

[Rookiescot]

20 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

You mean that the EU export value of motor vehicles to the UK is substantially higher than the UK export of motor vehicles to the EU is

You made the claim so please provide the figures.

[izod10]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

You made the claim so please provide the figures.

Go find it ,its there, 38 billions worth  just from Germany    Go look  seek the truth   too lazy to look for you

[Rookiescot]

OK I can find the figures for 2018. It seems that yes imports of cars from the EU is of higher value than exports from the UK.

However the loss to the EU is spread over many manufacturers and indeed countries. Not the case for UK.

Some other interesting things in that graphic too.

[vinny41]

18 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You made the claim so please provide the figures.

In 2019, the United Kingdom was the main export destination of EU's cars (26 % of the total), ahead of the United States (20 %), China (13 %), Japan, Switzerland (both 5 %) and South Korea (4 %). These six made up three quarters of extra-EU exports of car

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=International_trade_in_motor_cars&oldid=4042#:~:text=In 2019%2C the United Kingdom,extra-EU exports of cars.

 

By Value

In 2019, road vehicles were the UK’s single largest import from the EU, valued at £49 billion,

British goods exports to the EU included road vehicles, valued at £17 billion

£49 billion minus £17 billion equals £32 billion 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/

 

 

[CorpusChristie]

22 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You made the claim so please provide the figures.

Any sign of that poll yet ?

The one saying nearly all English people want Scotland to remain in the UK ?

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

Any sign of that poll yet ?

The one saying nearly all English people want Scotland to remain in the UK ?

I never claimed that.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Rookiescot

[izod10]

There will be massive riots throughout EU coastal areas when UK fishing ban begins,that is a certainty.   Let it begin,,,beautiful to watch,  barnier /merkel know this, will settle at last moment,if not OK  still 73 billion in profit

[izod10]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Any sign of that poll yet ?

The one saying nearly all English people want Scotland to remain in the UK ?

Most English would like to toss Scotland as far as they could,just get rid

[tomacht8]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Still No answer 

What I can't figure out is why would 3.7 million eu nationals choose to live in the UK instead of the EU , as the TVF eu members seem to be indicating that life is so much better in the eu

Good morning.

I think the 3,7 million eu nationals of the EU like the nice weather and the friendly people in th UK. 

In addition, the English language is widely used. English is a compulsory subject in all EU schools and is relatively easy to learn. So it makes sense for many to try their luck in the UK. 

 

The UK also has a great need for geriatric nurses, hospital nurses, cleaners, harvest workers and construction workers. These jobs are not so popular with the British. That is why in the past the UK retirement homes, hospitals, hotels, vegetable growers and construction companies were grateful to be able to fill the relatively poorly paid jobs with EU foreigners.

[CorpusChristie]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I never claimed that.

?

 

"Here is the real laugh mate. In a survey last week 49% of Conservative voters said they think Engurland should be independent.

Ask them the same question about Scottish independence and virtually all of them say no.'

[Logosone]

17 hours ago, nauseus said:

The basic loss, economically, has turned out to be about half a trillion pounds plus a trade deficit with the EU of at least £70 billion per year.

Tell me about it, the cost of the EU for Germany is crushing. We basically pay Greece, and now another wealth transfer to Southern Europe is looming, Covid19 reparations. And of course the Stan and Ollie duo of vd Leyen and Merkel have agreed to Coronabonds. It's bad.

 

But I believe the UK had a trade deficit with EU countries before it joined the EU, no?

[RuamRudy]

27 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Most English would like to toss Scotland as far as they could,just get rid

Well do something about it then, because you are being helluva clingy for all that bravado!

[Rookiescot]

43 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

?

 

"Here is the real laugh mate. In a survey last week 49% of Conservative voters said they think Engurland should be independent.

Ask them the same question about Scottish independence and virtually all of them say no.'

Yes. 49% of Conservative voters support the idea of English independence but very very few of them support Scottish independence. Thats a fact.

 

[nauseus]

17 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Tell me about it, the cost of the EU for Germany is crushing. We basically pay Greece, and now another wealth transfer to Southern Europe is looming, Covid19 reparations. And of course the Stan and Ollie duo of vd Leyen and Merkel have agreed to Coronabonds. It's bad.

 

But I believe the UK had a trade deficit with EU countries before it joined the EU, no?

About even overall globally pre EEC then -ve for a few years. Noticeable decline (-ve) from 1988 with EEC/EU and -ve 72 Billion GBP balance for last year. The UK is in surplus with the rest of the world - there is no real economic benefit for the UK in the EU.

[tomacht8]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

In 2019, the United Kingdom was the main export destination of EU's cars (26 % of the total), ahead of the United States (20 %), China (13 %), Japan, Switzerland (both 5 %) and South Korea (4 %). These six made up three quarters of extra-EU exports of car

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=International_trade_in_motor_cars&oldid=4042#:~:text=In 2019%2C the United Kingdom,extra-EU exports of cars.

 

By Value

In 2019, road vehicles were the UK’s single largest import from the EU, valued at £49 billion,

British goods exports to the EU included road vehicles, valued at £17 billion

£49 billion minus £17 billion equals £32 billion 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/

 

 

Vinny, 

If you are trying to analyze the UK trade deficit and the car market try to take into account the exchange rate effects of the currencies. If you continuously compare, not indexed to a base year, on a British pound basis, you will get inaccurate statements.

 

The British pound has fallen sharply against the Euro over the past 20 years.

 

That means if you buy an EU car from the Euro area at a rate of GBP / Euro 1.00: 1.50 or at a rate of GBP / Euro 1.00: 1.00, it makes a huge difference in the value shown in the trade balance if you only compare nominally on a pound basis.

 

That means if you import a car now, you have to give up a lot more British pounds than the years before.

 

However, this does not automatically mean that the UK has imported more cars.

 

 

 

Edited July 7, 2020 by tomacht8

[tomacht8]

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

About even overall globally pre EEC then -ve for a few years. Noticeable decline (-ve) from 1988 with EEC/EU and -ve 72 Billion GBP balance for last year. The UK is in surplus with the rest of the world - there is no real economic benefit for the UK in the EU.

OMG.

Another economist who evaluates the benefits of a trading system by a single number.

 

Here's an automobile example: Nissan produces large numbers of automobiles and can therefore realize the cost degression effects of mass production. A large proportion of this goes to the EU. If a big part of this volume were to disappear now, the UK Nissan would not be able to offer competitive prices for third countries. 

[bannork]

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

and was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of arab civilians with his " weapons of mass destruction " pack of lies.

True, but as leader of Labour he was effective.

[Pattaya46]

13 hours ago, vinny41 said:

There are between 750,000 to 1 million unsold cars sitting in German dealerships, the vast majority of them are conventional petrol and diesel cars and no-one wants them as majority of people are moving to an electric vehicle if they are thinking about purchasing a new car

Big exaggeration !

Sure that many buyers think about electric or hybrid, but did you see the price of electric vehicles ?!!!

Still many years where majority of people will continue to buy conventional petrol cars.

[melvinmelvin]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

Absolutely it was the voters, but without Johnson would they have enthusiastically have voted for anyone else leading the Tory Party, the Boris haters can scoff and ridicule at him as much as they like but he has proven he was/is the man for the job. It is totally unprecidented that northern Labour voters would vote Tory and that is the measure of the man.

Not sure how many "bogus" MPs were replaced, but Boris turned split parliament of ditherers to a parliament that knows which direction it is heading. 

 

 

yes, quite an achievement those Labour votes from northerly districts

 

guess those votes show that voters were utterly urinated off by the MPs of that time

 

[melvinmelvin]

4 hours ago, transam said:

Like they help stricken EU member countries when C19 showed up....????

and even worse, in my view; (and has been going on for years now)

 

how Italy and Greece have been largely left alone to sort the ocean swimmers

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

OMG.

Another economist who evaluates the benefits of a trading system by a single number.

 

Here's an automobile example: Nissan produces large numbers of automobiles and can therefore realize the cost degression effects of mass production. A large proportion of this goes to the EU. If a big part of this volume were to disappear now, the UK Nissan would not be able to offer competitive prices for third countries. 

OMG? I am not an economist. My post answered another to just point out what the trade balance has been doing. 

[nauseus]

26 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

Big exaggeration !

Sure that many buyers think about electric or hybrid, but did you see the price of electric vehicles ?!!!

Still many years where majority of people will continue to buy conventional petrol cars.

15 billion worth of mixed auto types are presently festering in lots around Europe. 

[nauseus]

55 minutes ago, bannork said:

True, but as leader of Labour he was effective.

only for as long as the deception was hidden

[welovesundaysatspace]

7 hours ago, transam said:

 

 

“I can see the easiest deal in history... mumble mumble... many, many trade deals... mumble mumble... many countries will follow... mumble mumble” 

[izod10]

4 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

OMG.

Another economist who evaluates the benefits of a trading system by a single number.

 

Here's an automobile example: Nissan produces large numbers of automobiles and can therefore realize the cost degression effects of mass production. A large proportion of this goes to the EU. If a big part of this volume were to disappear now, the UK Nissan would not be able to offer competitive prices for third countries. 

Nissan are quitting the EU

[johnpetersen]

5 hours ago, Logosone said:

Tell me about it, the cost of the EU for Germany is crushing. We basically pay Greece, and now another wealth transfer to Southern Europe is looming, Covid19 reparations. And of course the Stan and Ollie duo of vd Leyen and Merkel have agreed to Coronabonds. It's bad.

 

But I believe the UK had a trade deficit with EU countries before it joined the EU, no?

Please. The Euro has been an almost unmitigated blessing for Germany. The value of the Euro is depressed because of those southern economies. What would the cost of German exports be if it still used the Deutschmark?

Edited July 7, 2020 by johnpetersen