UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[bannork]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

The difference was 1 million 300 000 votes .

1300000 more voters voted to leave rather than to remain 

Not a lot out of the total voter base.

[tomacht8]

Here is another detail problem from the negotiations regarding the CE certification. All UK producers must have their products certified by an EU test center before exporting, if they want to sell these goods in the EU in the future. It's an expensive thing and it doesn't taste good for Mr. Frost.

 

You have a child! This is a completely new situation, for which you have to prepare not only psychologically, but to a certain extent also materially: You will need some basic things for the new family member, such as means of transportation (a stroller, a car seat and / or a baby carrier), a safe place to sleep (a cot and / or a bed rail), clothes, diapers, etc. Even if there are actually more than enough Time for that, you may soon start thinking about toys. Maybe you will buy the first ready-made food after just a few months. All of these products, if sold in the European Union, must comply with general safety regulations.

 

Special regulations apply to toys, electrical and electronic devices, cosmetics, chemicals and certain other product groups. EU standards ensure that toys, products and furniture for toddlers, products with child protection and protective devices as well as playground and sports equipment for children pose no danger. International regulations apply to car seats. When producers label a product with the CE mark, they assure that this product meets all essential European safety regulations. This label is required by law for products sold in the European Union, Iceland, Lichtenstein and Norway.

 

The Rapid Alert System for Product Safety (RAPEX) also facilitates the exchange of information between 31 countries: In the event of a security problem, consumers are warned and the respective product is withdrawn from the market. The weekly reports from RAPEX provide information on dangerous products. Regarding the nutrient composition and the safety of baby food and food for toddlers, there are now particularly strict regulations across the EU.

Edited July 6, 2020 by tomacht8

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

So you think people in Engurland want Scottish independence or not?

Anyway here is a link to the poll which shows 49% of Conservative voters in Engurlund want Engurland independence.

 

https://www.yes.cymru/english_independence_poll

No, I didnt request that .

I requested the other poll , or doesnt that poll exist ?

The poll where you claimed that nearly all English people dont want Scottish independence 

Where is the evidence of that poll ?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

No I am right but no surprise there.

1975 27.7 29.4 -1.7 49.6%

 

Now it was a far smaller trade deficit than we have today but a deficit it was.

Then Thatcher took over and the whole thing went to hell in a handcart.

Wrong again.

[nauseus]

58 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Here is another detail problem from the negotiations regarding the CE certification. All UK producers must have their products certified by an EU test center before exporting, if they want to sell these goods in the EU in the future. It's an expensive thing and it doesn't taste good for Mr. Frost.

 

You have a child! This is a completely new situation, for which you have to prepare not only psychologically, but to a certain extent also materially: You will need some basic things for the new family member, such as means of transportation (a stroller, a car seat and / or a baby carrier), a safe place to sleep (a cot and / or a bed rail), clothes, diapers, etc. Even if there are actually more than enough Time for that, you may soon start thinking about toys. Maybe you will buy the first ready-made food after just a few months. All of these products, if sold in the European Union, must comply with general safety regulations.

 

Special regulations apply to toys, electrical and electronic devices, cosmetics, chemicals and certain other product groups. EU standards ensure that toys, products and furniture for toddlers, products with child protection and protective devices as well as playground and sports equipment for children pose no danger. International regulations apply to car seats. When producers label a product with the CE mark, they assure that this product meets all essential European safety regulations. This label is required by law for products sold in the European Union, Iceland, Lichtenstein and Norway.

 

The Rapid Alert System for Product Safety (RAPEX) also facilitates the exchange of information between 31 countries: In the event of a security problem, consumers are warned and the respective product is withdrawn from the market. The weekly reports from RAPEX provide information on dangerous products. Regarding the nutrient composition and the safety of baby food and food for toddlers, there are now particularly strict regulations across the EU.

Oh Gawd.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Not a lot out of the total voter base.

enough for them to win the election,thats how democracy works.

[tomacht8]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Oh Gawd.

Are you sick and you have to throw up?

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

Here is another detail problem from the negotiations regarding the CE certification. All UK producers must have their products certified by an EU test center before exporting, if they want to sell these goods in the EU in the future. It's an expensive thing and it doesn't taste good for Mr. Frost.

 

You have a child! This is a completely new situation, for which you have to prepare not only psychologically, but to a certain extent also materially: You will need some basic things for the new family member, such as means of transportation (a stroller, a car seat and / or a baby carrier), a safe place to sleep (a cot and / or a bed rail), clothes, diapers, etc. Even if there are actually more than enough Time for that, you may soon start thinking about toys. Maybe you will buy the first ready-made food after just a few months. All of these products, if sold in the European Union, must comply with general safety regulations.

 

Special regulations apply to toys, electrical and electronic devices, cosmetics, chemicals and certain other product groups. EU standards ensure that toys, products and furniture for toddlers, products with child protection and protective devices as well as playground and sports equipment for children pose no danger. International regulations apply to car seats. When producers label a product with the CE mark, they assure that this product meets all essential European safety regulations. This label is required by law for products sold in the European Union, Iceland, Lichtenstein and Norway.

 

The Rapid Alert System for Product Safety (RAPEX) also facilitates the exchange of information between 31 countries: In the event of a security problem, consumers are warned and the respective product is withdrawn from the market. The weekly reports from RAPEX provide information on dangerous products. Regarding the nutrient composition and the safety of baby food and food for toddlers, there are now particularly strict regulations across the EU.

So this certification will affect  EU exports to the UK requiring such tests are estimated to be worth about 44 billion euros

unless they find an alternative market to sell their goods

[tomacht8]

3 hours ago, luckyluke said:

What I (I am 71+), and many others see is, that since its creation the E.U. has no influence at all on our daily life (man of the street), and that is a fact.

- Snip -

You may like to read some of the 1500 examples of what the EU does for the man on the street. You can search for regions or topics. The texts can be displayed in all languages.

https://what-europe-does-for-me.eu/en/portal

 

 

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Not a lot out of the total voter base.

If there is another vote for Scottish independence and the vote for independence is won by 1 vote we look forward to the SNP refusing to accept the results and calling for another vote

[tomacht8]

10 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

So this certification will affect  EU exports to the UK requiring such tests are estimated to be worth about 44 billion euros

unless they find an alternative market to sell their goods

I don't think you understand that properly. The UK would like to continue to have barrier-free market access to the EU without having to pay membership fees. For this, however, concessions would have to be made regarding, in this example, product certification and product safety standards. The UK rejects that.

 

Don't worry, I'm now a supporter of tough Brexit. Just act strictly according to WTO. 

This could save a lot of time and all market players know what they are up to.

[luckyluke]

2 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

You may like to read some of the 1500 examples of what the EU does for the man on the street. You can search for regions or topics. The texts can be displayed in all languages.

https://what-europe-does-for-me.eu/en/portal

 

 

I had a quick look at it. These are so normal things that I am not impressed. 

Maybe I should. 

I am more affected by 

 the yearly 2 % increase of my monthly pension called "Index",  which is proper for Belgium. 

 

 

 

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

I don't think you understand that properly. The UK would like to continue to have barrier-free market access to the EU without having to pay membership fees. For this, however, concessions would have to be made regarding, in this example, product certification and product safety standards. The UK rejects that.

 

Don't worry, I'm now a supporter of tough Brexit. Just act strictly according to WTO. 

This could save a lot of time and all market players know what they are up to.

Thanks I do understand the European Commission rejected calls for UK testing labs to certify products for export to EU market

and as a result of that rejection the EU exports to the UK requiring such tests and are estimated to be worth about 44 billion euros would have to pay and submit for a similar UK test in order to sell their goods to the UK

[bannork]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Thanks I do understand the European Commission rejected calls for UK testing labs to certify products for export to EU market

and as a result of that rejection the EU exports to the UK requiring such tests and are estimated to be worth about 44 billion euros would have to pay and submit for a similar UK test in order to sell their goods to the UK

44% of UK exports go to the EU but only 8% of EU exports go to the UK.

Ouch! Guess who is going to be hurting the most.

 

[tomacht8]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Thanks I do understand the European Commission rejected calls for UK testing labs to certify products for export to EU market

and as a result of that rejection the EU exports to the UK requiring such tests and are estimated to be worth about 44 billion euros would have to pay and submit for a similar UK test in order to sell their goods to the UK

That is the result of the freely chosen status of the UK as a third country aka no EU member. Negotiations have been going on for 4 years. The result are solutions that are repeatedly thrown by the UK. If two trading partners cannot agree on a contract, then no business will come about. As simple as that.

Edited July 6, 2020 by tomacht8

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

44% of UK exports go to the EU but only 8% of EU exports go to the UK.

Ouch! Guess who is going to be hurting the most.

 

I think you will find its the EU 

The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £300 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £372 billion (51% of all UK imports).

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/

The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£72 billion with the EU in 2019 as the EU exports to the UK were £72 billion more than the UK exports to the EU

 

 

 

 

[bannork]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I think you will find its the EU 

The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £300 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £372 billion (51% of all UK imports).

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/

The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£72 billion with the EU in 2019 as the EU exports to the UK were £72 billion more than the UK exports to the EU

 

 

 

 

But percentage wise, we are far more dependent on the EU than vice-versa.

Both our exports to, and imports from the EU will be hit by tariffs in the event of a no deal.

This affects nearly 50% of our trade compared to 8% of the EU. 

[tomacht8]

19 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I think you will find its the EU 

The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £300 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £372 billion (51% of all UK imports).

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/

The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£72 billion with the EU in 2019 as the EU exports to the UK were £72 billion more than the UK exports to the EU

 

 

 

 

In absolute numbers you are right.

If the UK and the EU absolutely stopped trading, the UK would lose 300 billion and the EU 370 billion. Converting that as a loss per capita, the UK (60 million people) loses £ 5000 and the EU (450 million people) loses £ 822 per capita.

 

That means the losses are already 6 times as much per capita.

Edited July 6, 2020 by tomacht8

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Wrong again.

Go on then prove me wrong.

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

And the funny thing is that these 1.3m seniors may be dead now,

and they will never have to suffer from their Brexit choice... 

They also may not be - they could all be in the 13m who couldn't or didn't bother to turn out for the referendum. So many 'if's from the Remainers, for example 'Only if they had won'.

The way to look at the vote of those seniors who may be dead now, is as their wise legacy. They have saved the family jewels from being squandered by the feckless and shallow youth vote. The UK has been put in a trust fund to prevent it being plundered by the conniving neighbours.

[vinny41]

18 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

In absolute numbers you are right.

If the UK and the EU absolutely stopped trading, the UK would lose 300 billion and the EU 370 billion. Converting that as a loss per capita, the UK (60 million people) loses £ 5000 and the EU (450 million people) loses £ 822 per capita.

 

That means the losses are already 6 times as much per capita.

I don't really think the loss of capita means anything to the British people or even Europeans it not like everytime Mercedes sells a car that they spilt the profit between 450 million people in the EU or when Jaguar landrover sells a car I have never seen where the divide the profit of that car with the 60 million people in the UK

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

I don't really think the loss of capita means anything to the British people or even Europeans it not like everytime Mercedes sells a car that they spilt the profit between 450 million people in the EU or when Jaguar landrover sells a car I have never seen where the divide the profit of that car with the 60 million people in the UK

You have lost your biggest market.

How are you going to fill that shortfall of trade?

[kingdong]

and then it might make it more financially viable to produce our own goods instead of importing.

[kingdong]

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

They also may not be - they could all be in the 13m who couldn't or didn't bother to turn out for the referendum. So many 'if's from the Remainers, for example 'Only if they had won'.

The way to look at the vote of those seniors who may be dead now, is as their wise legacy. They have saved the family jewels from being squandered by the feckless and shallow youth vote. The UK has been put in a trust fund to prevent it being plundered by the conniving neighbours.

if,buts,maybe,and perhaps,the mantra of the remainers.

[melvinmelvin]

11 hours ago, vogie said:

I totally agree with your assessment of Mrs May failure in basically everything she put her hand to, but I'm sure that there are many remainers and revokers (same thing really) that given another chance would jump at the opportunity of settling for Mays Brino deal. Her deal was staying in anyway, but when you get greedy and are not willing to compromise or even give an inch you deserve to lose everything. The remainers were so selfish that they ignored what the majority of the electorate voted for, remember only 34% of our population wanted to remain in the EU, now they are nursing their wounds and thinking of what could have been.

 

But why you have to include Boris in your post is a total mystery, Boris did everything, and more asked of him. Remember parliament was at a logjam and full of remainers unwilling to accept the wishes of a democratic referendum, Brilliant Boris had the nous to offer the UK a general election and see what the British public thought of the MPs that were trying to stifle Brexit, history shows that the electorate wasn't too happy with the antics of our elected MPs and voted most the MPs that were playing games out, making room for MPs that would carry out the wishes of our people, basically Boris turned a remainer parliament into a parliament that would work for the people, but you will always get the remainers trying to blame everyone else but themselves. It was the Labour Party that were going to vote againgst anything that the Tories offered them and now remainers throughout the land are regretting their self centered approach to leaving the EU.

 

 

it wasn't BJ that turned the national assembly into something usefull, the voters did that

 

anyhow,

have some reliable analysts compiled some "<deleted>-MP" exchange quantification?

within the various parties

how many bogus (those not voting as expected) MPs were replaced?

[Loiner]

42 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

In absolute numbers you are right.

If the UK and the EU absolutely stopped trading, the UK would lose 300 billion and the EU 370 billion. Converting that as a loss per capita, the UK (60 million people) loses £ 5000 and the EU (450 million people) loses £ 822 per capita.

 

That means the losses are already 6 times as much per capita.

An absolute end to all EU / UK trade is never going to happen, no matter how difficult or expensive it gets.

 

Comparision of the combined EU population is pure exaggeration. UK exports are generally specialist value-added products, to only a few percent of most EU states businesses.  Most of the EU population's average Thomaz, Riccardo or Harald do not even consider purchasing UK products. Business with only the top few states matters, the rest of the 27 are irrelevant. 

[tomacht8]

26 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I don't really think the loss of capita means anything to the British people or even Europeans it not like everytime Mercedes sells a car that they spilt the profit between 450 million people in the EU or when Jaguar landrover sells a car I have never seen where the divide the profit of that car with the 60 million people in the UK

That is a childish analogy.

If sales turnover falls statistically by £ 5000 per head, that means less revenue for everyone. There is less to distribute for all sellers, workers, employees. Companies make less profit and the state gets less tax.

[vinny41]

17 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You have lost your biggest market.

How are you going to fill that shortfall of trade?

The same question needs to be applied to the EU

the largest market for EU automotive exports is USA and there maybe 25% tariffs soon

2nd largest market for EU automotive exports  is China and sales have plumented recently

3rd largest market for EU automotive exports is UK

There are between 750,000 to 1 million unsold cars sitting in German dealerships, the vast majority of them are conventional petrol and diesel cars and no-one wants them as majority of people are moving to an electric vehicle if they are thinking about purchasing a new car

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The same question needs to be applied to the EU

the largest market for EU automotive exports is USA and there maybe 25% tariffs soon

2nd largest market for EU automotive exports  is China and sales have plumented recently

3rd largest market for EU automotive exports is UK

There are between 750,000 to 1 million unsold cars sitting in German dealerships, the vast majority of them are conventional petrol and diesel cars and no-one wants them as majority of people are moving to an electric vehicle if they are thinking about purchasing a new car

Here we go again.

80% of the UK’s car production is exported, of which 54% goes to EU member states.

In 2017, the United Kingdom produced 1.75 million motor vehicles, exporting 800,000 of these within the European Union.
 

The other way around, less than 3 out of 10 cars made in the EU are exported (27.4%), with roughly one third of total exports heading to the UK (or 11.7% of total production).

 

[melvinmelvin]

6 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Quite obviously  he meant the majority of voters , rather than adding all the non voters into the tally

We have been stuck on this point for four years now .

 

agree, tedious

the chap should change his barstool to one that swivels 

so that he can easily turn and look forward rather than drowning in history books