What will happen to foreigners with expired visas after July 31?

[CH1961]

12 minutes ago, GeilGeilertzen said:

Some posters seems like in a sadistic state of mind and that the more it hurts the actual foreigner that is under pressure of having to leave their loved ones,

With 400k at a Thai bank, legal married, no criminal history you dont need to leave your loved one/should have a valid extension of permission if stay. 

 

 

[yankyoakum]

Did my 90 day report yesterday afternoon at Rayong Immigration, took longer to fill out TM47 than did to get passport checked and new 90 days, next trip 5 October... for the 90 day check why wait?

[Max69xl]

33 minutes ago, racket said:

They should just extend the amnesty with another 3 months.
 

A smart move for Immigration would be to allow folks with tourist visas such as setv and metv to have them renewed for the same price they paid at the embassy. 

 

I feel bad for those who really have no choice but to leave on July 31st. Immigration needs to come up with something soon, these people are really freaking out if they can’t leave when they must. 

You don't renew a visa, you extend the permission to stay,and there's already a fixed price, ฿1900. As long as the borders to neighbouring are closed, no one will probably be forced to leave. 

[GeilGeilertzen]

20 minutes ago, CH1961 said:

With 400k at a Thai bank, legal married, no criminal history you dont need to leave your loved one/should have a valid extension of permission if stay. 

 

 

Yes you are right. But the answer alone doesn’t give much value. And your comment belongs more to some other posts I did. 
But let’s say it was only 300k in that bank account of yours at the time of renewal, and your long time married thai wife had just lost her job and had no income. 
What then...? 
...well that is exactly when you will see how unfair the thai visa system is. It doesn’t take into account any other things than money and cash!

..its just; go home farang you have nothing here to do and your family life doesn’t matter to us a second. Bye bye

 

My point is that in Thailand you can be thrown into situations suddenly means a termination of the life with your loved ones just because of some missing cash.  
 

Have you ever heard of a story in Europe where a legally married Europe and Asian couple after living many years there and fail in some income matters will have the one who is not an EU citizen being thrown out or not able to renew the visa?

No of course not. 
 

The main problem with

Thailand and visas for husbands is that you are never given  a permanent visa to stay. And that’s insane. You will for your whole life live by the mercy of some immigration system or an actual officer. 

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by GeilGeilertzen

[LivinLOS]

9 hours ago, Don Mega said:

Cool story, but does not answer my question.

 

The article says people have not been able to go home due to closed home borders, which countries have not allowed its citizens to return ?

For many non Thais this is home, and yet they are unable to travel to obtain new visas, new entries on existing multiple entry visas, or even simply return visa exempt. 

There are 10s of 1000s of people who would normally be coming and going, activating entries, obtaining new visas, etc none of which are possible. Until systems are in place to do those things, simply saying 'go home' when they are already home, is just silly. 

[chilly07]

The issue is those requiring a  border  bounce to return to  their  home/ family /employment in Thailand and those caught out of Thailand unable to  return NOT repeat NOT overstaying  in Thailand  on a tourist visa. If farang wish to return to their own  country  they can do it anytime albeit at an exorbitant  cost.  All borders airports and flights need to  return to  normal before the Amnesty finishes and business  recommences at TI

Edited July 9, 2020 by chilly07

[NoshowJones]

7 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The world has changed in the last 6 months, countries are protecting their own citizens first and foremost. For the time being globalization is over and insular policies prevail.

"countries are protecting their own citizens first and fourmost".

The UK certainly isn't, there are ex service men sleeping in the streets while "asylum seekers" are piling into the country from France and put in hotels, then given free homes and other benefits. 

 

[NoshowJones]

7 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

A simple tracking app installed on a foreigners smartphone , ( similar Thai Tana app ) , would solve that problem .

And no more 90 day reporting needed as well ...

There never was any 90 day reporting needed, it is only done to make certain people feel important and keep up their power trips.

[ryandb]

I love the bitterness in these forums. Yes I'm not stranded, I'm living off my savings still spending probably 100k a month here and don't want to return to the UK, why do you guys seem so offended by people like me?  I will leave the country without a fuss if the Thai government want me to but I'll go to another location that welcomes me such as Greece and spend my money there.

[NoshowJones]

7 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

He's still a British Citizen. Living one of the most socialist states in the world - free health care, free social housing if you get lost, partially subsidised dental care, free education, and if you don't have a job you get some free social payouts. 

 

"Oh poor me, i won't get any help, i'll be on the streets'. 

 

Excuses and utter nonsense. 

When I go back to the UK for my holidays, I cannot walk the very short distance from my hotel in Glasgow city centre to the railway station without seeing homeless people camped on the pavement, and also East European women begging, sitting holding paper cups out for money from passers by.

[time2093]

5 hours ago, chilly07 said:

The issue is those requiring a  border  bounce to return to  their  home/ family /employment in Thailand and those caught out of Thailand unable to  return NOT repeat NOT overstaying  in Thailand  on a tourist visa. If farang wish to return to their own  country  they can do it anytime albeit at an exorbitant  cost.  All borders airports and flights need to  return to  normal before the Amnesty finishes and business  recommences at TI

Well according to that perspective the amnesty will be extended till the end of the year, which I hope it does.

Edited July 9, 2020 by blackcab
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[Chongalulu]

The underlying stupidity in this is that their tourist industry is decimated and unlikely to be recovering in the near  future so having those effectively safe tourists here spending money is only a benefit and should be encouraged.It would take only a single figure IQ to understand that....oh,I think I’ve identified the issue..

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, JWRC said:

That's about 23,000+ per month per person, seeing as most posters on here need around 65,000 per month to live on, I would hardly say it's Prawns and Champers.

Why would anyone need 65k to live on? Must be a lot of drinkin'. I and a lot get by on 40K and that's with a car payment and 4k more in other payments. Guess if you eat high dollar and not Thai too much it can run up.

[Chongalulu]

20 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

When I go back to the UK for my holidays, I cannot walk the very short distance from my hotel in Glasgow city centre to the railway station without seeing homeless people camped on the pavement, and also East European women begging, sitting holding paper cups out for money from passers by.

That’s the SNP for you! But at least you have the Govan philosopher Rab C Nesbitt to compensate  ???? 

[poloshirt]

11 hours ago, Don Mega said:

What countries have closed borders that don't allow entry to its own citizens ?

Yeah, I am also puzzle by that too! I believe they do allow own citizens to enter their own countries but go through tests and quarantine .

[Kalasin Jo]

8 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 Of course they are. Europeans and Americans most definately. Even those living in Australia / New Zealand can get on repatriation flights. 

 

This loop hole is no different to the visa run to a neighbouring country, to stay there for a long indefinate period. 

 

If you want to stay long term, get the proper visa. 

Im not a long stayer but a medium stayer, approx half the year here usually. The non O multi entry based on marriage from Savanakhet ideal until all this kicked off..

 

Yes it is possible for me to leave, my wife doesn't want that. We both know there is no certainty when I can return under reasonable conditions, even for a run over to Laos. Can't now and I won't be doing that until all is crystal clear. 

 

Actually I need to leave to attend to things back in Europe. We were both going early May. Now her visa for that trip had expired

 

So I'm trying to  get  a 1 year extension, marriage based, income based now plus re entry permit.  So far I've been in to my IO twice and got conflicting advice, shake of the head and a "go to Lao or put 400k in the bank". Not able to do money in bank until next year now and anyway as the IO agreed, by the time it was seasoned I would definitely be out of time for application. Income method a minefield without an Embassy letter ( I'm a British passport holder).Just gathered what I think they need and will apply  Monday. Not confident.

 

Also now applying for new visa for my wife to leave with me. It may be free, but there is an irritating service charge and the cost of traveling/staying Bangkok to get that done.

 

And thought it wise to buy extra travel insurance to cover this extended stay here.

 

So spare a bit of sympathy / empathy for those like me. There must be quite a few.

[rott]

40 minutes ago, ryandb said:

I love the bitterness in these forums. Yes I'm not stranded, I'm living off my savings still spending probably 100k a month here and don't want to return to the UK, why do you guys seem so offended by people like me?  I will leave the country without a fuss if the Thai government want me to but I'll go to another location that welcomes me such as Greece and spend my money there.

Who are the people who are offended by people like you.?

Most on here are similar to you in that they live within their means and accept that one day it could all go wrong for them so they may need to leave. 

Most have some sort of provision for this. 

[brianthainess]

8 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

He's still a British Citizen. Living one of the most socialist states in the world - free health care, free social housing if you get lost, partially subsidised dental care, free education, and if you don't have a job you get some free social payouts. 

 

"Oh poor me, i won't get any help, i'll be on the streets'. 

 

Excuses and utter nonsense. 

Nothing is free if you were paying 20%+ tax on income for donkey years. AKA *Thai *you lucky your govt give you pension money* NO i paid TAX

[RR2020]

2 hours ago, vermin on arrival said:

Exactly, I am American waiting to get back to my residence Taiwan. Haven't really lived in US for 22 years. It would be a nightmare scenario for me to get back. My flight there on March 18 was two hours after the border closed. I can't incorporate and get processed for a Taiwanese ARC while out of the country so am waiting for some kind of opening to the country. The new loosening of restrictions there only applies to people doing corporate work with Taiwanese companies. I went to TECO to apply for a permit to enter, but they told me I have to wait. The lack of empathy by many in this forum to the real problems of many people who are not trying to take advantage of the system (I had given up my flat and was to leave Thailand permanently on March 29) is astounding. The first day I can get to Taiwan I am out of here.

 

You are free to travel to the UAE.  You are free to travel to Turkey.   Lots of places are open to tourists.  

 

Thailand is not open to tourists.  So when the visa amnesty runs out, you have to leave. But you can leave to many other countries where tourism is open.

 

You cannot blame your situation on Thailand.  If Thailand says "sorry amnesty over", you just have to leave and go somewhere for a few months.

 

Thailand has kindly allowed people to stay longer than they were supposed to as airports were closed and flights stopped.  Airports are now open, countries are opening up, tourism is open in other countries............... everyone can leave.

[ryandb]

 

4 hours ago, rott said:

Who are the people who are offended by people like you.?

Most on here are similar to you in that they live within their means and accept that one day it could all go wrong for them so they may need to leave. 

Most have some sort of provision for this. 

Have you not read the complete thread? so many "you guys should of gone home/origin of birth countries" comments

[natway09]

All the people I know, who wanted to go have gone, 

It is just the ones who want to come that can't, but that is the same with many countries that have taken the virus seriously.

[katatonic]

9 hours ago, domgaf said:

It's not always as simple as that. I'm a British citizen, but I haven't lived there for more than 16 years. Instead, I have been resident in another country for work. I have no home in the UK, so repatriation would render me homeless. My country of residence/work has not yet opened its borders to non-citizens. So, when I arrived in Thailand on a 30 day stamp in March, I had expected to leave before April. Now, I am at a loss as to what to do if the Thai immigration doesn't extend the amnesty or offer extensions that can be paid for.

I'm pretty much the same except I have had a home and wife here for a decade plus. I didn't have a long stay visa as I've been a Singapore resident for a couple of years so just popped over for the occasional weekend. Fortunately I was back and briefly working here as they closed the borders - supposed to leave the next day. Still getting paid.. I hope extending is straightforward or the company sends me off again.

[anandra]

As I said above, old western <deleted> you have nothing to do with tourist visa amnesty, stay calm, finance isaarn villages, just remember you have nothing to do with tourist visas amnesty, even if they extend, it will not last long. But it must be done after worldwide flights get normal. Many visas cannot be arranged in Thailand, only abroad, unless you want to pay fortune

[Cranky]

Quite astonishing how so many smug expats on here who happen to have the 'right' to stay have become as racist as the Thais they love to bash with the "Go back to where you came from" and "You shouldn't be here if you can't afford it" and "Your fault, you should have got the right visa" comments.  Only They have the divine right to judge.

 

So much for a bit of compassion in extraordinary circumstances.

[herwin1234]

13 hours ago, Don Mega said:

What countries have closed borders that don't allow entry to its own citizens ?

no countries of course. but the intention of this article, and most farang articles about "Thailand" is to make a sensational article with half truths, a dose of ridicule, etc, at the expense of the host country.

 

Also, i doubt if there still are great numbers of "stranded farang", i bet my m0ney these farangs on an amnesty visa, stay here in safe Thailand out of free will, reluctant to return to their own unsafe home country. Many are in fact looking to get a one year visa from visa agents. They are loving it here.

[iska]

13 hours ago, Don Mega said:

What countries have closed borders that don't allow entry to its own citizens ?

Turkmenistan.......

[iska]

11 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 No excuses not to return back. Many flights are leaving Thailand that are capable of handling passengers. 

not leaving to Turkmenistan....

[Don Mega]

1 hour ago, GeilGeilertzen said:

 

To some of your rants In here, try to ask some farang son or daughter being at young at age in thailand how they feel about your daddy is thrown out because of some totally unfair and ridiculous visa rules in 2020.  
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Who is being thrown out ?

[Don Mega]

Just now, iska said:

not leaving to Turkmenistan....

of the 195 countries in the world Turmenistan is the  3rd according to this thread who deny entry to its own people.

 

Hardly as dire as the OP would have one believe.

[vermin on arrival]

2 hours ago, RR2020 said:

 

You are free to travel to the UAE.  You are free to travel to Turkey.   Lots of places are open to tourists.  

 

Thailand is not open to tourists.  So when the visa amnesty runs out, you have to leave. But you can leave to many other countries where tourism is open.

 

You cannot blame your situation on Thailand.  If Thailand says "sorry amnesty over", you just have to leave and go somewhere for a few months.

 

Thailand has kindly allowed people to stay longer than they were supposed to as airports were closed and flights stopped.  Airports are now open, countries are opening up, tourism is open in other countries............... everyone can leave.

Ridiculous. Not going to either of those places thank you. If they decide it's time to go, I will see what happens. They will be making the decision and not you thankfully.