Why do decent Americans support trump

[orang37]

21 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

... And it's not due to covid, it's the usurpers and students.

 

... And it's not due to covid, it's the usurpers and students government.

 

How does one recognize a usurper ? By the fact they are in your face ? By their walking off with your sweetie ?

 

~o:37

[miamiman123]

5 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Let's see how domestic high season tourism is with few around.  Be like 30 years ago when I was in my 20's and came for 2 weeks to Phuket.

Yeah man 

[shavedPotter]

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Yay ....... another VISA amnesty extension coming!

I've been saying likely until the end of the year all along.

Why do I think the September 26 new visa amnesty date will become January something.

[Estrada]

7 hours ago, ezzra said:

So no foreigners coming in by air but hundreds of thousands laborers from neighbouring countries pouring in overland borders presumably unquarantined is just dendy...

Try reading the notice before you give fake news 1. They will be tested before they come to Thailand. 2. They will have to spend 2 weeks in state quarantine.

[ThailandRyan]

40 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

I've done a few of their trips, all have been good. Would book Maldives now but .. Thailand and it's quarantines. Maldives has no restrictions in flying in: https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/maldives-reopening-july/index.html

 

World is slowly starting to open up, at the same time Thailand is tightening up. And it's not due to covid, it's the usurpers and students.

I would like to hit the new resort in the Maldives as well. Just getting back here would be impossible. A few nice locations in Vietnam as well.

[Deez]

4 hours ago, Sheryl said:

2. Zero community transmission in the neighboring countries, in most cases for over 2 months now.

Easy to have zero cases when you don't test anyone

[nemo38]

If you add it all up, banks, airlines, tourist business and most businesses around the world are already bust.

 

Every day the reckoning draws closer. Governments will panic over economic crises and take panic actions. I think they will reopen to tourism once they realise the pain which lies ahead for the Thai economy. It won't make any difference as economic destruction is baked in the cake.

 

Keep these four things in mind for Covid

 

1.  The lockdown is useless. Infections reduce after lockdowns are eased

2. The virus is about as dangerous as the flu

3.  Almost everyone who dies is old or was at deaths door

a. Average age of Covid deaths in Italy was 80

b. A UK study found that 90% of those who died had co-morbidities

4.  The death count is artificially inflated

a. A guy who died in a motorcycle crash was listed as a Covid death

b. The NYT published a list of Covid deaths. It included a guy who was shot to death...

c. A guy who fell off a ladder was put down as a Covid death

d. Here on the CDC web site they say you don't need a Covid test to say death was due to Covid

[itsari]

7 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Bad news for those stuck outside trying to get in, especially those who will not be allowed back as they don't have a valid reason to be here or the funds to secure a seat on the few flights remaining.

 

Still, going to be a great high season. Beautiful weather, pick of the beaches, hotel bargains everywhere... Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

Every cloud and all that. 

Not good for those that have family in Thailand and can not return . Valid reason you refer to is i suspect  meaning that they are not fitting the criteria in this covid 19 situation for returning to Thailand . What validity do you have to concern your self if hopeful travelers to Thailand has  not the funds to buy a air ticket ? There is a element of irony in your post .

 

 

[tribalfusion001]

The problem is governments are stuck in a rut whether to open up more or stay closed. If you open to tourists you run the risk of infections going up and if you stay closed you run the risk of destroying the economy. Judging by the videos I've seen of resorts in Europe not as many tourists are flying in anyway, the same would apply to SE Asia from westerners.

 

It will take years to recover from this and the confidence of mass tourism to return, but how much will remain of the tourist industry.

[DrTuner]

1 hour ago, orang37 said:

How does one recognize a usurper ? By the fact they are in your face ? By their walking off with your sweetie ?

Open the television, when there's a talking head there, that's their lackeys. Or search for old news from 2014.

[from the home of CC]

8 hours ago, ukrules said:

It's going to be an interesting few months.

everywhere..

[chilli42]

Nooooo.  I just want to get out of Thailand. 

 

Promise I will never make the same mistake and come back again.

[from the home of CC]

1 hour ago, LEKPHUKET said:

Totally stupid people running this country  ,when will Thais take the streets to stop this?

why don't you lead the charge lol...

[Bender Rodriguez]

no tourists should mean no cheap import labor either, right ? 

[ChipButty]

1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

I've done a few of their trips, all have been good. Would book Maldives now but .. Thailand and it's quarantines. Maldives has no restrictions in flying in: https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/maldives-reopening-july/index.html

 

World is slowly starting to open up, at the same time Thailand is tightening up. And it's not due to covid, it's the usurpers and students.

My friend who live in Dubai just told me it about to open up for tourist the people have had enough

[from the home of CC]

7 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The problem is governments are stuck in a rut whether to open up more or stay closed. If you open to tourists you run the risk of infections going up and if you stay closed you run the risk of destroying the economy. Judging by the videos I've seen of resorts in Europe not as many tourists are flying in anyway, the same would apply to SE Asia from westerners.

 

It will take years to recover from this and the confidence of mass tourism to return, but how much will remain of the tourist industry.

I think by the time a vaccine is issued and life starts to reorganize you might find some traditional tourist areas moving on, it may mean less income but in the long run folks living there may appreciate the lack of daily headaches associated with this business.. 

[DrTuner]

7 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

My friend who live in Dubai just told me it about to open up for tourist the people have had enough

Yes, lockdowns should only have lasted for 2-3 weeks, going forward it's the test & tracing network that needs to carry the daily operations. There's no escaping the virus but there are ways of managing it. Thailand doesn't want to go on the test & trace boat because, well, they can't get the tracing part done. Wild wild east. UAE has probably got a system running by now, they can be quite efficient when they start on something.

 

(Yes they do, it's the bluetooth proximity thing: https://www.ncema.gov.ae/alhosn/index.html ) . Pueyo told us how to do it some time ago: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-how-to-do-testing-and-contact-tracing-bde85b64072e

Edited July 23, 2020 by DrTuner

[tribalfusion001]

8 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

I think by the time a vaccine is issued and life starts to reorganize you might find some traditional tourist areas moving on, it may mean less income but in the long run folks living there may appreciate the lack of daily headaches associated with this business.. 

If you don't want the tourists money then go back to the mid 20th century way of living.

[nemo38]

23 minutes ago, chilli42 said:

Nooooo.  I just want to get out of Thailand. 

 

Promise I will never make the same mistake and come back again.

You can fly into the Maldives. See if there are flights from there to where you want to go.

[from the home of CC]

4 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

If you don't want the tourists money then go back to the mid 20th century way of living.

many will eventually..

[american2]

This is going to get sader and sader.  The people stuck outside wanting to come in...The tourists that are here and are afraid to go home.  The businesses folding from the lack of business.  It is not just the Bars,Massage shops closing..Soon the lack of tourists will start to close the hotels, and all associated support business.sader and sader

[hotchilli]

21 hours ago, baansgr said:

Won't be worth coming...by then everything in every tourist town will be closed

Except the beaches... just think, clear sand, no deck chair vendors, no jet-ski's, no hawkers... and cheap beer in 7-11... paradise is back.

[SpanishExpat]

Good luck with ! They were all quite relaxed in April and May, as they thought Chinese will come back sooner than later. Then the Chinese Gov ***** them with the travel ban for it`s citizens. 

 

So if the experts expect Thai Airways to not restart before Dec...good luck! It`s a fatal sign, if a national carrier (even if they were in deep financial crisis) follows such a strategy. 

 

The truth it...domestic tourism is NOT ENOUGH (and after all just subsidized by the government...so 0 money from outside the country) . Good hotel occupancy rates during the weekends don`t cover the fixed costs, if they are empty during the week. Are they really that naive to think that Thai people will travel forever? The longer to situation lasts, the more people will get financial problems and will have other priorities than travelling. I see it every day here in BKK. The street food places are PACKED while "normal" restaurants are nearly empty. 

[hatyaiair]

I am somewhat confused by the so called International commercial flight ban as I landed at BKK airport on Tuesday at 11 am and there was a KLM, Air France and Qatar jet on the move and clearly working unlike the graveyard of Thai airplanes parked permanently on the runway.  2 weeks ago I was in Chiang Rai airport and there was a flight going to China and full of Chinese tourists.  Lines and lines of them dressed up like spacemen in white suits with masks. and they were definitely tourist, not returning expats.  So if no International flights are arriving what is really going on?  How did the plane in Chiang Rai with the tourists arrive?  Again we are not getting the full story.  BKK airport was like a ghost town!

[alex8912]

8 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Bad news for those stuck outside trying to get in, especially those who will not be allowed back as they don't have a valid reason to be here or the funds to secure a seat on the few flights remaining.

 

Still, going to be a great high season. Beautiful weather, pick of the beaches, hotel bargains everywhere... Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

Every cloud and all that. 

Yes. All the hotels will be open for no customers. Get a grip.

[tribalfusion001]

13 hours ago, SpanishExpat said:

Good luck with ! They were all quite relaxed in April and May, as they thought Chinese will come back sooner than later. Then the Chinese Gov ***** them with the travel ban for it`s citizens. 

 

So if the experts expect Thai Airways to not restart before Dec...good luck! It`s a fatal sign, if a national carrier (even if they were in deep financial crisis) follows such a strategy. 

 

The truth it...domestic tourism is NOT ENOUGH. Good hotel occupancy rates during the weekends don`t cover the fixed costs, if they are empty during the week. Are the really that naive to think that Thai people will travel forever? The longer to situation lasts, the more people will get financial problems and will have other priorities than travelling. I see it every day here in BKK. The street food places are PACKED while "normal" restaurants are nearly empty. 

It's the trickle down effect, it takes months to trickle down and eventually most people will suffer through the loss of tourism. Even if tourism started up again tomorrow, the numbers would be nothing like the 39 million from 2019, more like the numbers of 20 to 25 years ago.

[bkk6060]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

I would like to hit the new resort in the Maldives as well. Just getting back here would be impossible. A few nice locations in Vietnam as well.

You really can go nowhere for now.

I have Kanchanaburi and Koh Chang trips planned.

Best to just do what you can here for now.

[SpanishExpat]

1 minute ago, tribalfusion001 said:

It's the trickle down effect, it takes months to trickle down and eventually most people will suffer through the loss of tourism. Even if tourism started up again tomorrow, the numbers would be nothing like the 39 million from 2019, more like the numbers of 20 to 25 years ago.

Sure that`s true. That`s why I would propose to start a quota system. Like every country which has had less than lets say 3-5 active cases per 100.000 people within the last 30-45 days will get on the "can fly in" list. Those tourists would have to show a negative covid test, health certificate, use the tracking app and if there stay in longer, take another covid test after 2 weeks. 

>90% of the tourists would still NOT come, but the ones coming would be an absolute minimal risk. Such an approach would surely save a lot businesses/jobs here. However, of course no Thai official would come up with such a strategy/ noone would approve that. 

[Burma Bill]

9 hours ago, ezzra said:

So no foreigners coming in by air but hundreds of thousands laborers from neighbouring countries pouring in overland borders presumably unquarantined is just dendy...

Please note (quote from The Nation):-

 

Both groups of foreign workers must obtain a certificate that facilitates entry into the Kingdom and a medical certificate (Fit to Travel).

In the case of a foreign worker with a re-entry visa and a work permit, after Immigration provides them an entry permit and visa, the foreign workers must undergo Covid-19 examination at the Disease Control checkpoint immediately and must be quarantined for 14 days at Alternate Local Quarantine (ALQ).

 

 

[NeoDinosaw]

8 hours ago, Skallywag said:

Why fly when you can take a nice train ride (book now for 2022) .  LOL  

This is hardly Pan-Asia - it's just a bit of Indochina.  Once these routes are established I should be able to get to UK entirely by rail :  BKK - Kunmig - Peking -  Ulan Bator - then link to trans-siberian express - Moscow - Warsaw - Belin - Brusselles and Eurostar to London ????

perfect holday ????