Former FBI lawyer to plead guilty as part of Russia probe - defendant's lawyer

[Proboscis]

9 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

More like 3 years wasn't it? I would like to see a public apology from the democrats. People still talk about Russia collusion as if it was a fact - while Mueller admitted no collusion, no obstruction at the end of his very expensive and divisive probe. A probe that thanks to the Durham investigation we learn was fraudulent and illegal to initiate. Time to set the record straight and stop the smears against President Trump, the real victim here.

If you read what Mueller (a lifelong Republican) said and wrote, there was no evidence found of collusion. Mueller did not have to "admit" anything. He was ordered to carry out an investigation.

 

So stop bashing a veteran and honest man who has more than once stood up for his country, and a Republican. What does bashing a Republican make you? Ah yes, another member of some troll factory somewhere, near Moscow or Beijing perhaps.

[jimmybcool]

15 minutes ago, Proboscis said:

If you read what Mueller (a lifelong Republican) said and wrote, there was no evidence found of collusion. Mueller did not have to "admit" anything. He was ordered to carry out an investigation.

 

So stop bashing a veteran and honest man who has more than once stood up for his country, and a Republican. What does bashing a Republican make you? Ah yes, another member of some troll factory somewhere, near Moscow or Beijing perhaps.

Only issue I take with Mueller is he knew very early on that the Steele dossier, which was the foundation of all the collusion  charges, was a fraud.  He could have wrapped up the investigation much sooner.

 

On the current Durham probe he also needs to make known publicly if this is in fact a nothin burger or greater than Watergate before the election.  If nothing then don't have it hanging over the heads of the DEMs.  If it becomes clear multiple members of the Obama administration were involved in the fake Russian collusion charges and Steele dossier the public needs to be aware of it as it dwarfs Watergate in implication.  Using the governments police forces to smear and destroy a political opponent is the first step to losing real democracy.

 

We need the truth and need it NOW not in 2021.

 

 

 

 

[earlinclaifornia]

11 hours ago, ukrules said:

If he gets a slap on the wrist it's due to the massive amount of evidence he's provided about his colleagues.

 

This is only getting started, get ready. A storm is coming...

Sorry to bear some bad news. The investigation is not at all going well. Listen to Ron Johnson the Republican chair getting a new on torn, by Hewitt who is immensely frustrated LOL

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/08/12/hugh_hewitt_grills_sen_ron_johnson_on_senate_gops_failure_to_subpoena_witnesses_in_spygate_scandal.html

[earlinclaifornia]

10 hours ago, Kelsall said:

The beginning of the end for those who orchestrated the attempted coup.  Most likely an announcement on indictments in October, an "October Surprise."

 

Trump 2020 guaranteed.

Better get a move on then as only one person Sally Yates has been questioned to date. Good luck and it won't be due to these Republicans lack of effort. More like there incompetence!

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/08/12/hugh_hewitt_grills_sen_ron_johnson_on_senate_gops_failure_to_subpoena_witnesses_in_spygate_scandal.html

[earlinclaifornia]

54 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

As the party in power gets to be the judge and jury in today’s partisan environment when was trump ever going to get indicted?

I think even the Thai judicial system would blush at how the republicans do the 3 monkeys act so well.

This is the same people who wanted to hang Clinton coz he wanted to whitewash a interns throat and had the audacity to lie about it omg.

Im not saying democrats are angels far from it but as an outsider looking in I would be ashamed of Being a republican letting trump lie and cheat his way through his tenure.

Seems to me as looks likely Mitch and his ilk are in for a dose of reality as come November there will be a new sheriff in town with a new majority in senate to go with congress.

There is only so long I didn’t see I didn’t hear routine works

I so much agree with you. The hardest part to me is the trump supporters who have to live with the daily drib. Me think they disappear similar to their emergence.

[simple1]

11 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Absolutely damning. The narrative surrounding the Russia conspiracy will change from Trump as the criminal and instigator, to Trump as the victim of the Obama cabinets vengeance. On the face of it, Obamagate makes Watergate look like some minor procedure error. Thanks to Bull Durham for lifting this very heavy rock and exposing the nasty critters hiding underneath.

You're having a laugh aren't you - from the OP:

Prosecutors were not expected to reveal any evidence that shows a broader conspiracy that would cast doubt on the decision by the Obama Administration to open a Russia investigation, according to the Times.

[earlinclaifornia]

26 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

Only issue I take with Mueller is he knew very early on that the Steele dossier, which was the foundation of all the collusion  charges, was a fraud.  He could have wrapped up the investigation much sooner.

 

On the current Durham probe he also needs to make known publicly if this is in fact a nothin burger or greater than Watergate before the election.  If nothing then don't have it hanging over the heads of the DEMs.  If it becomes clear multiple members of the Obama administration were involved in the fake Russian collusion charges and Steele dossier the public needs to be aware of it as it dwarfs Watergate in implication.  Using the governments police forces to smear and destroy a political opponent is the first step to losing real democracy.

 

We need the truth and need it NOW not in 2021.

 

 

 

 

Like always, you leave out the dossier was not the main reason for the investigation but a side add. If anything beyond a nothing burger, than why no leaks? No witnesses beyond the one? Hoping for the October surprise is that trump dream come true.

[Dave0206]

3 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Like always, you leave out the dossier was not the main reason for the investigation but a side add. If anything beyond a nothing burger, than why no leaks? No witnesses beyond the one? Hoping for the October surprise is that trump dream come true.

 

3 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Early on when trump fired Comey and Comey accuses trump of being told in private to let the Flynn thing go.

Afterwards Trump tried to allude to the fact the conversation was taped inferring Comey was lying and tape would prove it Comey answered “ oh Lordy I hope so” not the usual response of a liar.

Afterwards idea of conversation maybe being recorded somehow disappeared quicker than a rabbit on a promise down a hole.

Funny how party seeking the truth do not like to go in front of house where if they tell the truth it may have opposite effect than setting them free

[Thomas J]

11 hours ago, Tug said:

Sorry sounds to me like a small technically not the got ya like trump and his minions will try to balloon it up to be let’s keep our focus on trumps attempts to rigg the election and the blatant disregard of our constitution this imo is a distraction 

Tug,

 

Presenting evidence and deliberately falsifying it to a FISA court to obtain a warrant to spy on Carter Page is not ' A SMALL TECHNICALITY'  Under FISA the person under surveillance is spied upon and the big item is that such spying is allowed on two jumps.  Anyone that the person (Carter Page) contacted and any of the people who those people in turn are in contact with.  THE EFFECT OF THE FISA WARRANT WAS TO ALLOW SPYING ON TRUMP AND HIS ENTIRE STAFF.  Lying to the court is a MAJOR not a Trivial matter.  

[Dave0206]

5 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Tug,

 

Presenting evidence and deliberately falsifying it to a FISA court to obtain a warrant to spy on Carter Page is not ' A SMALL TECHNICALITY'  Under FISA the person under surveillance is spied upon and the big item is that such spying is allowed on two jumps.  Anyone that the person (Carter Page) contacted and any of the people who those people in turn are in contact with.  THE EFFECT OF THE FISA WARRANT WAS TO ALLOW SPYING ON TRUMP AND HIS ENTIRE STAFF.  Lying to the court is a MAJOR not a Trivial matter.  

Quite right lying is terrible better to obstruct or claim executive privilege then no need to lie

[billd766]

12 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Did you miss the part where there are further cases in the works?

 

Big stuff.

Did you mean this part?

 

quote from the OP. "But after Clinesmith's guilty plea was announced, President Trump suggested further similar cases were in the works."

 

Here we have the trusted word of a compulsive serial liar with over 20,000 lies under his belt. How much is his word worth?

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Tug,

 

Presenting evidence and deliberately falsifying it to a FISA court to obtain a warrant to spy on Carter Page is not ' A SMALL TECHNICALITY'  Under FISA the person under surveillance is spied upon and the big item is that such spying is allowed on two jumps.  Anyone that the person (Carter Page) contacted and any of the people who those people in turn are in contact with.  THE EFFECT OF THE FISA WARRANT WAS TO ALLOW SPYING ON TRUMP AND HIS ENTIRE STAFF.  Lying to the court is a MAJOR not a Trivial matter.  

Sorry trump supporters not that big of a deal furthermore trumps in your face actions needed to be looked at (still need to be investigated) here’s a few highlights( russa are you listening ) first day in office top russans in the Oval Office Americans excluded later in the same day insulting our intelligence agencies in front of the wall of stars, who can forget the  helinsky debacle ,extorting Ukraine,the open solicitation of foreign interference in our elections his latest election rigging attempt with wrecking our postal service thease are just a few examples of why trump needs surveillance (continued) surveillance I might add FAR outweighs any procedural hickups made by some lawyer the worm has turned the only way forward for him is to get away with cheating again

[MyTHaiMyKe]

All you Trump bad mouthers and haters are going to be eating a whole lot of crow! They always start with the little guy and work their way up to the big boys! The little guys squeal like pigs, trying to knock years off their sentences! More to come! I just love winning! MAGA 2020!

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, MyTHaiMyKe said:

All you Trump bad mouthers and haters are going to be eating a whole lot of crow! They always start with the little guy and work their way up to the big boys! The little guys squeal like pigs, trying to knock years off their sentences! More to come! I just love winning! MAGA 2020!

Putting aside the unsubstantiated hopes you hold.

 

Welcome on board the belief that corrupting the justice system needs to be investigated and prosecuted.

[riclag]

  The FBI  use to stand for ,Fidelity- Bravery and most importantly Integrity ! The actions of a few (lol, so called professionals) who abused their power will always taint the FBI and intel agencies imop!

  Its to bad it had to take so long to come out but Graham made Mr. Trump hold off on exposing this while letting Mueller waste  several years  in his witch hunt to get him!

 

Stay tuned more to come from Durham and Bash!

14 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

More like 3 years wasn't it? I would like to see a public apology from the democrats. People still talk about Russia collusion as if it was a fact - while Mueller admitted no collusion, no obstruction at the end of his very expensive and divisive probe. A probe that thanks to the Durham investigation we learn was fraudulent and illegal to initiate. Time to set the record straight and stop the smears against President Trump, the real victim here.

  How about a apology for Carter Page , who suffered because of this traitor's corrupt maleficent acts (I'm sorry,this guys lie ,perpetuated the radical far lefts cabal conspiracy theories and misinformation)  .

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/474570-an-apology-to-carter-page

 

Edited August 15, 2020 by riclag

[pegman]

2 hours ago, MyTHaiMyKe said:

All you Trump bad mouthers and haters are going to be eating a whole lot of crow! They always start with the little guy and work their way up to the big boys! The little guys squeal like pigs, trying to knock years off their sentences! More to come! I just love winning! MAGA 2020!

Just like WhiteWater &  Benghazi right?

[riclag]

2 hours ago, MyTHaiMyKe said:

All you Trump bad mouthers and haters are going to be eating a whole lot of crow! They always start with the little guy and work their way up to the big boys! The little guys squeal like pigs, trying to knock years off their sentences! More to come! I just love winning! MAGA 2020!

Suffice to say here,that those who chanted viva la resistance, will be held accountable for their contemptuous deeds!

[Tug]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Suffice to say here,that those who chanted viva la resistance, will be held accountable for their contemptuous deeds!

Gotta get some of those trump glasses lol

[Cryingdick]

18 hours ago, Sujo said:

Did you miss the part where there was no conspiracy.

 

small stuff.

"according to the Times."

 

They do not representing part of the justice system. 

 

[oompie69]

14 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

A small technicality.  LOL  Balloon it up.  LOL  A distraction.  LOL

Are you perhaps suggesting lying and falsifying documents is considered to be just a technicality in America today?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, oompie69 said:

Are you perhaps suggesting lying and falsifying documents is considered to be just a technicality in America today?

When Trump’s enablers we’re prosecuted for such things he and his followers were screaming ‘these are only process crimes’.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The former FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, will admit he changed an email from the CIA that was used in seeking renewed court permission in 2017 for a secret wiretap on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, the New York Times reported.

 

"Kevin deeply regrets having altered the email," Justin Shur, a lawyer for Clinesmith, told Reuters in an email.

 

"It was never his intent to mislead the court or his colleagues as he believed the information he relayed was accurate.

But Kevin understands what he did was wrong and accepts responsibility," Shur added.

and so it begins. Expect more convictions to come.

 

I fully expect the usual posters to be telling us that it's not as bad as it is, because.........................( insert usual response of choice ).

 

I see I wasn't wrong on my last sentence ????

Edited August 15, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Proboscis said:

If you read what Mueller (a lifelong Republican) said and wrote, there was no evidence found of collusion. Mueller did not have to "admit" anything. He was ordered to carry out an investigation.

 

So stop bashing a veteran and honest man who has more than once stood up for his country, and a Republican. What does bashing a Republican make you? Ah yes, another member of some troll factory somewhere, near Moscow or Beijing perhaps.

What does being a Republican have to do with anything? Many Republicans dislike Trump as much as the Dems.

[WinnieTheFlu]

21 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Absolutely damning. The narrative surrounding the Russia conspiracy will change from Trump as the criminal and instigator, to Trump as the victim of the Obama cabinets vengeance. On the face of it, Obamagate makes Watergate look like some minor procedure error. Thanks to Bull Durham for lifting this very heavy rock and exposing the nasty critters hiding underneath.

Such misplaced confidence and general unsubstantiated consipiratorial nonsense (“Obamagate”) reminds me of Flat Earthers. But probably just another little Q-Anoner.

 

So many poor poor souls like this poster who can just 100% filter out all the evidence against his position but then jump on anything supporting his belief as “top of the iceberg” conspiracy stuff.

 

Meanwhile screaming “BIAS!”

like there’s no tomorrow. Talk about hypocrisy. 

[Scott]

Off-topic, baiting post reported and removed.  

 

[Mac98]

22 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

More like 3 years wasn't it? I would like to see a public apology from the democrats. People still talk about Russia collusion as if it was a fact - while Mueller admitted no collusion, no obstruction at the end of his very expensive and divisive probe. A probe that thanks to the Durham investigation we learn was fraudulent and illegal to initiate. Time to set the record straight and stop the smears against President Trump, the real victim here.

Mueller did not admit any such thing. He said if Trump could be cleared he would have said so, but he also said he was forbidden from finding Trump guilty as that was the job of Congress. The House voted to impeach and the GOP Senate refused to hear any witnesses.

Edited August 15, 2020 by Mac98
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[mtls2005]

Interesting that trump is floating the idea of a pardon for snowden?

 

This probably came in his many calls with vladdy-daddy?

 

 

[Morch]

22 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Small technicality - he deliberately falsified a document to mislead the justice system!

 

Oh, well, he's a democrat and known Trump hater, so never mind.

 

Had it been the other way around, you'd be spitting blood and calling for mass investigations and prosecutions.

 

Once again we the Democrats intentions of corruptly using the Justice System for their own political agendas.

 

Fair enough. At least, so long as Trump supporters do not deny the act in exactly the same manner on each and every occasion involving someone for their "side" facing charges etc. Same goes for pretending that the use of the justice system to push political agendas is something only on side engages in.

[riclag]

9 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Interesting that trump is floating the idea of a pardon for snowden?

 

This probably came in his many calls with vladdy-daddy?

 

 

And the beat goes on, "vladdy -daddy"! You know better! You know the rules here

Edited August 16, 2020 by riclag

[Tippaporn]

Here's the major network news media coverage of what should be major news; the first guilty plea in the Durham probe:

 

CNN Tonight - 0 seconds

The Rachel Maddow Show - 0 seconds

NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt - 0 seconds

CBS Evening News with Norah O'Donnell - 22 seconds

ABC World News Tonight with David Muir - 26 seconds

 

What does this tell you folks?