Michelle Obama launches scathing attack on Trump's leadership, says Biden will end the chaos

[mr mr]

32 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

As an American unless you insinuating racial undertone like your master. 

i meant biden is a bumbling old fool who should really be worried about his next hand in euchre rather than worrying about the american presidency. so in the slight chance a miracle happens and he pulls it off i am betting no more than 6 months until he steps aside. 

 

ps trump is as much of an old waste of space as biden. i can't stress enough how fast all of these old weirdos need to just go away.  they are dinosaurs in a modern world. totally out of touch with how the world works now.  

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[J Town]

2 minutes ago, mr mr said:

i can't stress enough how fast all of these old weirdos need to just go away.  they are dinosaurs in a modern world. totally out of touch with how the world works now.  

I will hold my nose as I vote for Biden, not cuz I like ANYTHING about him, rather because I find 45 to be an actual, active threat to US democracy. VP Biden should have retired a LONG time ago. It's a national embarrassment that he's the best the DNC would allow to be the candidate.

[mr mr]

2 minutes ago, J Town said:

It's a national embarrassment that he's the best the DNC would allow to be the candidate.

and therein lies the real issue. 

Edited August 18, 2020 by mr mr

[Pattaya Spotter]

2 minutes ago, J Town said:

I will hold my nose as I vote for Biden, not cuz I like ANYTHING about him, rather because I find 45 to be an actual, active threat to US democracy. VP Biden should have retired a LONG time ago. It's a national embarrassment that he's the best the DNC would allow to be the candidate.

But as the saying goes..."Vote Blue no matter who..." That's why the DNC keeps shoving neo-liberal and conservative nominees, like Clinton and now Biden, down the throats of liberal and progressive Democrat voters.

[Eric Loh]

47 minutes ago, twocatsmac said:

 

Big hands too, very handsome. 

I rest my case. 

[stevenl]

12 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

But as the saying goes..."Vote Blue no matter who..." That's why the DNC keeps shoving neo-liberal and conservative nominees, like Clinton and now Biden, down the throats of liberal and progressive Democrat voters.

The reason is more left leaning Democrats would be unelectable. 

[twocatsmac]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I rest my case. 

Good, because you don’t have one. 

[J Town]

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The reason is more left leaning Democrats would be unelectable. 

We don't know that. I sincerely believe Bernie would have won the 2016 election. He drew larger crowds than 45, while both Hillary and Biden had crowds that numbered in the dozens, mostly blue hairs. Bernie had an enormous grass roots movement behind him and Independents, the largest voting group, also firmly endorsed him. As well, things that people called "magical thinking" in 2016 are now mainstream items on the Dem platform. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and the old guard is dying off every day. The youth of today see that this capitalistic system has crippled them, enslaved them under enormous student loan debt, sickened or killed them for lack of available health care, has given them nothing to hope for - they look at leaning left and it looks better than what's out there now.

 

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by J Town
tense of "has"

[Pattaya Spotter]

5 minutes ago, J Town said:

We don't know that. I sincerely believe Bernie would have won the 2016 election. He drew larger crowds than 45, while both Hillary and Biden had crowds that numbered in the dozens, mostly blue hairs. Bernie had an enormous grass roots movement behind him and Independents, the largest voting group, also firmly endorsed him. As well, things that people called "magical thinking" in 2016 are now mainstream items on the Dem platform. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and the old guard is dying off every day. The youth of today see that this capitalistic system has crippled them, enslaved them under enormous student loan debt, sickened or killed them for lack of available health care, have given them nothing to hope for - they look at leaning left and it looks better than what's out there now.

And look who the DNC gave these young idealistic people to vote for...a 77 year old Senator from the great State of Visa/Mastercard.

Edited August 18, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

And look who the DNC gave these young idealistic people to vote for...a 77 year old Senator from the great State of Visa/Mastercard.

I'll say it again - people aren't voting for Biden, they're voting against 45. Yet again, a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich (South Park reference).

[Pattaya Spotter]

8 minutes ago, J Town said:

I'll say it again - people aren't voting for Biden, they're voting against 45. Yet again, a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich (South Park reference).

I think both sides feel as you do.

[stevenl]

23 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I think both sides feel as you do.

Looking at the venom with which Trump is being defended, no.

[bobbin]

5 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

You can say what you like about Trump, love him, hate him, but this Meg seems a complete idiot saying a man with estimated $3.1 billion does not know how to run a business !

estimated 3.1 billion.. No tax records released to confirm.

 

And a bankrupt businessman 4 or 5 times over..

 

Try to keep up.

[Tug]

56 minutes ago, J Town said:

I'll say it again - people aren't voting for Biden, they're voting against 45. Yet again, a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich (South Park reference).

Michelle as usual did a relatable job getting her points across imo she is a class act joe Biden will have a TEAM backing him up he listens .trump doesent he dictates America will be in much much better hands under TEAM Biden imo don’t worry we just need to rid ourselves of trump then we can start to move forward again 

[twocatsmac]

16 minutes ago, Tug said:

Michelle as usual did a relatable job getting her points across imo she is a class act joe Biden will have a TEAM backing him up he listens .trump doesent he dictates America will be in much much better hands under TEAM Biden imo don’t worry we just need to rid ourselves of trump then we can start to move forward again 

Call this uncanny but I’m sure there was once a First Lady called Michelle whose black husband was potus for 10 years.

Cant be the same TEAM, they only moved backwards and Africa is still starving.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, mr mr said:

and therein lies the real issue. 

 

So "the real issue" for you would be the Democrats able to come up with a mediocre, if not faulty, candidate, rather than the other side coming up with Trump once (and going for twice).

 

About as honest and balanced as can be expected.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

And look who the DNC gave these young idealistic people to vote for...a 77 year old Senator from the great State of Visa/Mastercard.

 

Whereas the Republican Party did so much better?

[CG1 Blue]

7 hours ago, Tagged said:

And the best candidate for the republicans is? 

Not being an expert on US politics, I have a question related to the above comment. What would it take for a different Republican candidate to run for POTUS in November? I assume this could only happen if Trump voluntarily pulled out for whatever reason. I mean if he continues to lose support is there anything the party can do to oust him? 

[Scott]

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[rcummings]

1 hour ago, twocatsmac said:

Call this uncanny but I’m sure there was once a First Lady called Michelle whose black husband was potus for 10 years.

Cant be the same TEAM, they only moved backwards and Africa is still starving.

On the one hand your comment is incoherent. On the other, it's racist. And if I had another hand, I'd use it to point out to you that Barack Obama was POTUS for 8 years, not 10.

[Sujo]

5 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Thus it begins...the endless commercials filled with unverified tripe and half-truths...may the best liar, the candidate with the most votes from every state of the union win the prize...a nation torn apart by rioting, looting, burning, lawlessness, disrespect for law and order and ungrateful citizens...

 

Be careful what you wish for. 

So who is in charge. Blame trump if you dont like it.

[rumak]

5 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Thus it begins...the endless commercials filled with unverified tripe and half-truths

i doth believe you give the "truths" a bit too much credit ...... 

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I think both sides feel as you do.

But republicans have alternative truth as a covfefe.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, mr mr said:

and therein lies the real issue. 

Perhaps. But it is not the issue which people are able to vote on is it?

 

I think (and rather hope) that this election will hinge on two issues.

 

1) selecting the best of two poor choices for the Presidency, and I honestly (as an outsider) can't imagine anyone could be worse than Mr Trump.

 

2) The quality of the team available to each candidate to form the "executive branch", Again, I cannot imagine a team more  inadequate than the extraordinary collection which have passed through (in many cases remarkably rapidly) the White House in the last four years! Making nameplates for government office doors must be something of a growth industry in Washington DC!

[twocatsmac]

33 minutes ago, rcummings said:

On the one hand your comment is incoherent. On the other, it's racist. And if I had another hand, I'd use it to point out to you that Barack Obama was POTUS for 8 years, not 10.

Well sir, you’ve understood my incoherent comment, hence your attempt at a witty reply. Fail.

I didn’t mention Barack Obama and how is my comment racist?

Are you 

 

 

[rcummings]

17 minutes ago, twocatsmac said:

Well sir, you’ve understood my incoherent comment, hence your attempt at a witty reply. Fail.

I didn’t mention Barack Obama and how is my comment racist?

Are you 

 

 

I understand that your comment is incoherent. Not the same thing as understanding incoherence.

Well, you mentioned a woman named Michelle whose husband was Potus. Was that some other Michelle and spouse you were referring to? That would explain the 10 year tenure you assigned to said Potus although not the obvious fact that no other Potus had a wife named Michelle.

Your comment is racist because you gratuitously invoked the alleged situation in  Africa. Did you invoke said continent on some other grounds than race? And what has Michelle Obama or her husband got to do with alleged starvation in Africa? Do you understand the Potus stands for President of the United States and not President of Africa? Do you understand the Michelle Obama and her husband are African-Americans and not American-Africans so no more responsible for any situation in Africa than an Asian American is responsible for what goes on in Asia or a European-American etc. etc etc.

Edited August 18, 2020 by rcummings

[Tug]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

Perhaps. But it is not the issue which people are able to vote on is it?

 

I think (and rather hope) that this election will hinge on two issues.

 

1) selecting the best of two poor choices for the Presidency, and I honestly (as an outsider) can't imagine anyone could be worse than Mr Trump.

 

2) The quality of the team available to each candidate to form the "executive branch", Again, I cannot imagine a team more  inadequate than the extraordinary collection which have passed through (in many cases remarkably rapidly) the White House in the last four years! Making nameplates for government office doors must be something of a growth industry in Washington DC!

In a way I think you have hit on the core problem with trump and Joe Biden the rock solid better choice of the 2.trump is a chronic narcissist he’s never had to answer for anything he’s been shielded by wealth and now the presidency anyone who works for him no matter how qualified or well intentioned is one mood swing away from ruin professionaly and pension wise and financially that’s trump that alone imo proves he’s unsuited to be potus.with joe Biden you know he’s an experienced TEAM player he’s in this for us not himself he will rely on his TEAM not his (gut) like trump Michelle btw did a stand up job expressing that imo 

[PoodThaiMaiDai]

10 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

As an American unless you insinuating racial undertone like your master. 

I only say it because Biden made it very clear he was only going to pick a Black Female.

 

So it is not based upon the best candidate for the job but due to race and gender.

 

So who is more racist?  Biden by far.  Look at all the gafs he has made regarding race.

[Credo]

1 minute ago, PoodThaiMaiDai said:

I only say it because Biden made it very clear he was only going to pick a Black Female.

 

So it is not based upon the best candidate for the job but due to race and gender.

 

So who is more racist?  Biden by far.  Look at all the gafs he has made regarding race.

Wrong.   He committed to picking a female VP.   He did not specify any race, thus under serious consideration were Klobachar, Warren and a few others.