WHO chief hopes coronavirus pandemic will last less than two years

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, rcummings said:

29 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Tedros said the 1918 Spanish flu "took two years to stop".

 

LOL  Why and how the Spanish flu ended remains a complete mystery to this day.  Nobody "stopped" it.  Tedros is a grade A charlatan.

A complete mystery? Really? Epidemics do tend to end. Why is the ending of the Spanish Flu somehow different?

The Spanish flu seemed to end on it's own.  No one knows why or how.  What's clear is that no one stepped in and "stopped" it.  Tedros' claim is that it was "stopped."  And he claims that, given the right technology combined with their awesome, comprehensive knowledge that they'll "stop" this one, too.  Read his own words (and the author's).  I'll point out the verbiage:

 

The WHO has always been cautious about giving estimates on how quickly the pandemic can be dealt with while there is no proven vaccine.

 

Tedros said the 1918 Spanish flu "took two years to stop".

 

"And in our situation now with more technology, and of course with more connectiveness, the virus has a better chance of spreading, it can move fast because we are more connected now," he told a briefing in Geneva.

 

"But at the same time we have also the technology to stop it and the knowledge to stop it. So we have a disadvantage of globalisation, closeness, connectedness but an advantage of better technology.

 

"So we hope to finish this pandemic (in) less than two years."

 

I'll say it again, Tedros is a grade A charlatan.

[Eric Loh]

Clearly the distrust of WHO is being politicized and especially by Trump’s administration. If we looking for a better outcome from distancing from WHO, it don’t appear so in US. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 hours ago, cmarshall said:

I'll take the over: Covid-19 will never go away.  It's too highly infectious.  Immunity from infection is unlikely to persist more than a few months, like other coronaviruses.  And a vaccine is unlikely.  In the past twenty-five years only seven new vaccines have been developed, none of which work against any coronavirus.  

 

The reports I've been reading of the various early vaccine trials seem to be relatively promising, at least at the outset... But from what I've read thus far, the big looming question seems to be how long a period of protection any of them are likely to provide per dose..  And of course, the longer-term prospect of unknown side effects.

 

 

[cmarshall]

27 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The reports I've been reading of the various early vaccine trials seem to be relatively promising, at least at the outset... But from what I've read thus far, the big looming question seems to be how long a period of protection any of them are likely to provide per dose..  And of course, the longer-term prospect of unknown side effects.

 

 

If you ever followed the testing of new drugs, from an investment perspective, for example, then you would have noticed that all new drugs are "promising."  Right up until they wash out in phase three testing. 

 

From the meager success in developing new vaccines in the past twenty-five years (none for SARS, MERS, HIV, malaria, dengue, rhinoviruses, etc.) I think we have to accept that the odds are against a vaccine for any new disease.  All the more so for Covid-19 since no vaccine has ever been successfully developed against any coronavirus, most of which are shown not to produce any natural immunity from infection.  That's not dispositive, of course, but the odds don't look good to me.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

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J&J planning 60K-subject study to test COVID-19 vaccine

Aug. 20, 2020 11:31 AM ET|About: Johnson & Johnson (JNJ)|By: Douglas W. House, SA News Editor 

Johnson & Johnson (JNJ +0.3%) is going big on its Phase 3 trial testing COVID-19 vaccine candidate, Ad26.COV2.S. The study, expected to launch by late September, will recruit up to 60K people, twice as many as other vaccine developers such as Pfizer (PFE +0.5%)/BioNTech (BNTX +1.6%), Moderna (MRNA -1.4%) and AstraZeneca (AZN +0.3%).

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J&J is using epidemiology and modeling data to plan the locations of ~180 trial sites in the U.S. and eight other countries with high rates of COVID-19. Recruitment is underway. Participants will be followed for two years but preliminary results will be available much sooner.

 

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3607527-j-and-j-planning-60k-subject-study-to-test-covidminus-19-vaccine

 

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Investors in COVID-19 stocks face turmoil in coming weeks on vaccine data readouts

Aug. 22, 2020 2:00 AM ET|About: Gilead Sciences, Inc. (GILD)|By: Douglas W. House, SA News Editor 

Investing in companies with COVID-19 pipeline candidates, both treatments and vaccines, has been a winner since March but there is a near-certainty of rough seas next month and beyond when companies release results from ongoing studies and new large-scale trials.
 

Aimed at quick approval, the FDA has set a relatively low bar for vaccine efficacy, 50% compared to placebo, so the first to report, assuming positive data, should see a spike in buying with commensurate softness in certain competitors. Gains in early leaders may quickly evaporate if subsequent data readouts show better immunogenicity as investors react to new frontrunners.

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Pfizer and partner BioNTech reported positive preliminary data from an ongoing Phase 1/2 study of vaccine candidate BNT162b1 on August 12. Pfizer intends to seek emergency use authorization in the U.S. as early as October.

 

 

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NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) launched a 30K-subject Phase 3 study in late July testing Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine candidate mRNA-1273. Enrollment should be completed by month-end or the early part of September.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3606751-investors-in-covidminus-19-stocks-face-turmoil-in-coming-weeks-on-vaccine-data-readouts

 

It seems like most of them are just now heading for their Phase 3 trials.

 

 

Edited August 22, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Sujo]

The WHO relies on correct information from the countries and advises accordingly. In that regard they issued their guidance on wrong information from china.

 

So they are not to blame as they can only advise on information they receive.

 

However, the US did have people involved in this but trump took them out. Big mistake.

 

Then when WHO received correct information they updayed their advice, which trump ignored. Big mistake.

 

The role of WHO is dependant on correct information supplied to them so they cannot be blamed, at all. All blame lays with China supplying false information, also those countries that had the updated information failing to act.

 

Nothing WHO has has said has been wrong regarding the info they had at the time. But the leaders of some countries who should know better are to blame for the crisis they have caused by their ineptitude and ignorance.

 

Especially as one certain leader claimed he knew it was a pandemic before everyone else and yet still failed to act.

[Rimmer]

Conspiracy troll post and reply removed

[Paiman]

I can only recommend any virus to stay away from North Thailand.

 

Its raining day and night, most likely you get terrible wet while mating.

[candide]

There were actually plenty of lessons to draw from the Spanish flu pandemic. However, it has not always been done and history tends to repeat itself. This article is enlighting!

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

The Spanish flu seemed to end on it's own.  No one knows why or how.  What's clear is that no one stepped in and "stopped" it.  Tedros' claim is that it was "stopped."  And he claims that, given the right technology combined with their awesome, comprehensive knowledge that they'll "stop" this one, too.  Read his own words (and the author's).  I'll point out the verbiage:

 

The WHO has always been cautious about giving estimates on how quickly the pandemic can be dealt with while there is no proven vaccine.

 

Tedros said the 1918 Spanish flu "took two years to stop".

 

"And in our situation now with more technology, and of course with more connectiveness, the virus has a better chance of spreading, it can move fast because we are more connected now," he told a briefing in Geneva.

 

"But at the same time we have also the technology to stop it and the knowledge to stop it. So we have a disadvantage of globalisation, closeness, connectedness but an advantage of better technology.

 

"So we hope to finish this pandemic (in) less than two years."

 

I'll say it again, Tedros is a grade A charlatan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're misrepresenting the comments by Tedros. The Spanish flu pandemic took two years to cease spreading and infecting people. All he is saying, in context, is the world now has a lot faster ease of travel and so on which facilitates the rapid spread of Covid-19. On the other hand, the world has the advantage of better technology to counter the spread and infection rates. 

 

To effectively counter Covid-19 requires well informed, excellent leadership for decision making. Unfortunately, some political leaders have been focussed of politicising Covid for self interest rather than acting on medical advice for timely mitigation efforts.

 

 

Edited August 22, 2020 by simple1

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

From Johns Hopkins Aug. 21 CV report:

 

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On a per capita basis, South America’s daily incidence (172 daily cases per million population) is considerably higher than all other continents, including more than 70% higher than #2 North America (99). And North America is reporting at least 3-4 times the per capita daily incidence as the remaining continents. Europe is #3 (31), and is Asia #4 (20), followed by Oceania and Africa, which are both reporting fewer than 10 new daily cases per million population.

 

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The US CDC reported 5.51 million total cases (46,500 new) and 172,416 deaths (1,404 new). In total, 19 states (no change) are reporting more than 100,000 cases, including California with more than 600,000 cases; Florida and Texas with more than 500,000; New York with more than 400,000; and Georgia and Illinois with more than 200,000. For nearly 3 weeks, the US continues to average more than 1,000 deaths per day.

 

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The Johns Hopkins CSSE dashboard reported 5.60 million US cases and 174,647 deaths as of 1:30pm EDT on August 21.

 

 

[MRToMRT]

google is a great thing, quite a few posters should take out a minute from their rants to look up actually what the WHO is mandated to do rather than assume they know by some divine knowledge.

[Susco]

1 hour ago, rcummings said:

Right. Virtually all the countries in the world are united in a conspiracy to defeat Donald Trump.

 

One could only hope this was true

[Susco]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Tedros said the 1918 Spanish flu "took two years to stop".

 

LOL  Why and how the Spanish flu ended remains a complete mystery to this day.  Nobody "stopped" it.  Tedros is a grade A charlatan.

 

According to your charlatan hero Trump, the Spanish flu must have lasted almost 30 years, as it even stopped WWII

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-spanish-flu-world-war-2-white-house-press-briefing-video-a9664171.html

 

Trump says Spanish Flu of 1918 ended WWII – a conflict that didn’t start until two decades later

[Scott]

Conspiracy post and reply removed.

[Bluespunk]

7 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Tedros said the 1918 Spanish flu "took two years to stop".

 

LOL  Why and how the Spanish flu ended remains a complete mystery to this day.  Nobody "stopped" it.  Tedros is a grade A charlatan.

He didn’t say anyone stopped it. 

[simple1]

trump has now completely lost the plot. he has accused the FDA of a 'deep state' conspiracy to delay Covid-19 vaccine trials, as well as falsely claiming Dems omitted "God' from their Oath of Allegiance. No wonder Republicans are increasingly committing not to vote for trump come 03/11.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-23/donald-trump-accuses-fda-deep-state-of-slowing-covid-trials/12586802

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/22/donald-trump-democrats-god-pledge

[candide]

7 hours ago, simple1 said:

trump has now completely lost the plot. he has accused the FDA of a 'deep state' conspiracy to delay Covid-19 vaccine trials, as well as falsely claiming Dems omitted "God' from their Oath of Allegiance. No wonder Republicans are increasingly committing not to vote for trump come 03/11.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-23/donald-trump-accuses-fda-deep-state-of-slowing-covid-trials/12586802

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/22/donald-trump-democrats-god-pledge

The worst thing is not that he said it, it's that some people will believe it!

Edited August 23, 2020 by candide

[Boomer6969]

On 8/22/2020 at 6:41 AM, cmarshall said:

I'll take the over: Covid-19 will never go away.  It's too highly infectious.  Immunity from infection is unlikely to persist more than a few months, like other coronaviruses.  And a vaccine is unlikely.  In the past twenty-five years only seven new vaccines have been developed, none of which work against any coronavirus.  

Where did you get your PHD in Epidemiology?

[3NUMBAS]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12476005/no-coronavirus-vaccine-before-winter-warning/

 

JAB A YEAR AWAY

No coronavirus vaccine before winter of 2021, warns Chief Medical Officer

 

• Brittany Vonow

• 23 Aug 2020, 8:31
• Updated: 23 Aug 2020, 9:27

[Scott]

More conspiracy posts removed.  

 

[mr mr]

On 8/22/2020 at 1:32 PM, Scot123 said:

I for one will not buy anything made there. 

ya let me know how that works out for you sport. 

[vermin on arrival]

On 8/22/2020 at 10:25 PM, Bluespunk said:

He didn’t say anyone stopped it. 

Most likely it was a combination of mutation to a less virulent form the of the disease and some form of herd immunity, no?

[Bluespunk]

32 minutes ago, vermin on arrival said:

Most likely it was a combination of mutation to a less virulent form the of the disease and some form of herd immunity, no?

No idea if I’m honest, I was just pointing out the misleading assertion made by the poster I quoted. 

Edited August 23, 2020 by Bluespunk

[MajarTheLion]

On 8/21/2020 at 11:05 PM, Pedrogaz said:

Just reading through the comments.....it is clear too me that propagandaand scapegoating works very, very effectively on many people.

Indeed.... the thought of "hope" being some sort of solution instead of letting people go on with their lives is pure insanity.

[Scott]

Off-topic post and replies removed.