Black man shot in back by police in Wisconsin city, governor says, curfew imposed

[Logosone]

19 hours ago, BritManToo said:

If you don't use violence nothing changes.

The more widespread and extreme the violence, the quicker the change.

Our whole civilisation is based on violence/threat of violence.

 

If the black people of America want change, they should attack corporate holdings.

Burn everything owned by companies listed on the stock market.

Hit the shareholders, their dividends, their pensions and things would soon change.

Don't attack your neighbourhood mom and pop stores, that just harms yourselves.

Violence does not always lead to change.

 

We have had many hundreds of years of race riots in the USA. Back in 1863 there were race riots in the US. 

 

The real question should not be if violence is needed for change. The first question should be is change necessary, and if so change to what?

 

Whilst racism is a reality, in fact the income of blacks has gone up over the last decades. Many administrations have put in place laws to ensure black people can access mortgages. There are in fact more white people killed by police than blacks. 

 

The only justifiable change would be to have police officers act perfectly in every situation, which given the split second and dangerous situations they are in, or believe they are in, is not a realistic goal. Mistakes will happen. Again and again. No matter what guidelines and training. It just happened in the UK too with police. It happened in France.

 

What other change is desirable or justifiable?

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

So far as we know police did not know he had a knife in the car prior to being shot seven times in the back. 

 

We do know that he admitted to having a knife, police knew he had a knife, police knew he had a warrant, they knew his history, he resisted arrest, he was tased, got away and went for his car and very clearly was reaching in the floorboard of the car in the very place where a knife was recovered. 

 

He was armed, he resisted, and it ended in him losing his life because of it. 

[englishoak]

At this point these arnt protests, just rioters and looters... lowlife bored scum. that is all. 

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, The Barmbeker said:

No...that is just dumb!

What is a crime, is crossing states lines with a gun and shooting at unarmed protesters, killing two of them!

I find it baffeling, that you and your ilk go on FOR WEEKS about ANTIFA and looting and riots, when it is BLM!

But the second a white guy with a gun, shoots and kills people, you jump to defend him from the get go!

"No...that is just dumb!"

 

Then why bring it up?

 

"But the second a white guy with a gun, shoots and kills people, you jump to defend him from the get go!"

 

You leave out the context entirely.

[bodga]

2 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Very troubling statement...????

Well if they cant control their own black on black killings

[Logosone]

18 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Indeed they do, but if it was my community that was under attack by Police forces, I would be out on the streets too.  I would like to think that I would be peaceful and restrained in my actions, but when the Authorities act as they do, goodness knows how I would react in turn.  You reap what you sow in this life and the US have been sowing this seed for generations. It will come to haunt them, and perhaps that is what is needed to affect real change. 

But the thing is, see, the black community is not under attack by the police forces. Police officers make mistakes. And if you look at the statistics they make even more mistakes with white suspects than with blacks.

 

What is happening is that these mistakes by police are being used by marxist activists to whip up the black community into a frenzy. Because those activists have political motives. Blacks are just pawns in their agenda.

 

Maybe this is the US' Karma for slavery, and many other racial discrimination in the past. And yes, blacks have been victimised in the past in the US. However, now it is a different story in the US, and it is not what BLM and ANTIFA portray it as by a long shot.

 

Again the question is 'real change of what', to what?

[bodga]

15 hours ago, BritManToo said:

If I were black and living in the USA, I'd be out burning the entire country to the ground.

I havent seen any skin darkening products in Thailand so  your  plan may not work out too  well.

[Sujo]

40 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Mind boggling how Democrats think they'll win this election these insane policies.  Good luck, LOL.

 

MAGA - Trump landslide 2020

This is on trumps watch. So tell me if you vote him in because he can fix it, why isnt he fixing it now.

[bodga]

13 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

 

The ones looting should be shot.

[Mama Noodle]

Just now, Sujo said:

This is on trumps watch. So tell me if you vote him in because he can fix it, why isnt he fixing it now.

 

People on the left really think this is a winning proposition. Allowing riots to happen because they think its bad optics for Trump.

[Rimmer]

A couple of Unattributed posts have been removed.

 

If you make these claims in a post please put a source link to them.

[bodga]

51 minutes ago, The Barmbeker said:

How about NOT SHOOTING UNARMED PEOPLE IN THE BACK?

That might have helped the community!

How about people stop thinking they can do what they want destroying the whole area and thats ALL people.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

People on the left really think this is a winning proposition. Allowing riots to happen because they think its bad optics for Trump.

No, i asked you a question. If you believe trump can fix it so thats why will vote for him, why isnt he fixing it now.

 

this is on his watch and he hasnt fixed it. If he gets voted in, what will he do to fix it and whats stopping him from fixing it now.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Source for him being a member of a "White Militia" needed, because your link just says "Militia" and that he was there to help anyone who needed it and to protect businesses. 

 

He was also attacked with molotov cocktails, a skateboard, threatened with a pistol and by every available metric was unequivocally defending himself. 

 

My opinion is that there is no way on planet earth that hes gonna be convicted of murder, and arresting him for it is laughable. 

 

 

It's mentioned in a number of reports, an example below. The example quotes a police officer for thanking armed white militia members (vigilantes) for their presence. Since when are armed militia members, especially a 17 year old, who presumably have had zero law enforcement training in riot / protester control, a component of US law enforcement. In other reports claim the vigilantes has requested to be deputised, which was refused. I assume therefore they were acting illegally. Your narrative comes across as false in context as...

 

Witness accounts and video indicate the shootings took place in two stages: The gunman first shot someone at a car lot, then jogged away, fell in the street, and opened fire again as members of the crowd closed in on him.

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-08-26/kenosha-police-3-shot-2-fatally-during-wisconsin-protests

 

The guy has been charged for murder, the facts will come out during the trial, no point in commenting further until he is found guilty or otherwise. 

Edited August 27, 2020 by simple1

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, Sujo said:

This is on trumps watch. So tell me if you vote him in because he can fix it, why isnt he fixing it now.

The answer is too obvious to warrant a reply.  Unbelievable that you'd ask it.

[Sujo]

I just saw the video. White guy with a long gun shoots. He then walks toward police and guys are yelling to police that he just shot someone.

 

yet car after car of police just drive past him.

 

can you imagine a black guy with a long gun shooting people then wandering down the road, he would be dead. But this white guy cant even get police to stop.

[Sujo]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

The answer is too obvious to warrant a reply.  Unbelievable that you'd ask it.

Humour me. Why can trump fix it after the election but cannot fix it now.

[Mama Noodle]

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No, i asked you a question. If you believe trump can fix it so thats why will vote for him, why isnt he fixing it now.

 

this is on his watch and he hasnt fixed it. If he gets voted in, what will he do to fix it and whats stopping him from fixing it now.

 

Ok Ill entertain this.

 

Trump is openly and clearly condemning the violence and looting which as cost almost a billion dollars in property damage, over 30 killed, untold property damage and assaults, and offers any assistance needed to these democrat governors in the form of national guard and federal police - which they decline or undercut because of political optics - and this leads to continued anarchy in the streets. 

 

Joe biden does this and fuels the fire, along with his running mate. 

 

 

 

[simple1]

22 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

We do know that he admitted to having a knife, police knew he had a knife, police knew he had a warrant, they knew his history, he resisted arrest, he was tased, got away and went for his car and very clearly was reaching in the floorboard of the car in the very place where a knife was recovered. 

 

He was armed, he resisted, and it ended in him losing his life because of it. 

So far as I'm concerned there is no excuse whatsoever to shot an unarmed man in the back seven times. end of - bye

[Logosone]

Just now, Sujo said:

Humour me. Why can trump fix it after the election but cannot fix it now.

Because he is being sabotaged at every turn by Democrat mayors and Attorney generals.

 

The mayor of Washington refused to allow Trump use of the Washington police. The mayor of Portland refused to allow federal troops in Portland. The mayor of Chicago refused federal agents in Chicago.

 

The left again and again whips crows up into a frenzy to destroy the cities of the USA, and when Trump wants to send in troops to deal with it they scream "dictator". It's a ludicrous point.

[Sujo]

Just now, Logosone said:

Because he is being sabotaged at every turn by Democrat mayors and Attorney generals.

 

The mayor of Washington refused to allow Trump use of the Washington police. The mayor of Portland refused to allow federal troops in Portland. The mayor of Chicago refused federal agents in Chicago.

 

The left again and again whips crows up into a frenzy to destroy the cities of the USA, and when Trump wants to send in troops to deal with it they scream "dictator". It's a ludicrous point.

So if he is elected he still wont do anything.

 

trump did send in troops and said he would send more to other cities. So more lies from him. As if he cares what people call him.

 

its jst trumps rule book, create as much mayhem as possible, blame everyone else, then say only he can fix it.

 

thats all he does. This is on his watch, he is to blame.

[Phoenix Rising]

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The answer is too obvious to warrant a reply.  Unbelievable that you'd ask it.

Let me fix that for you:

The answer is too obvious difficult to warrant a for me to reply. Unbelievable Unfortunate that you'd ask it.

 

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Ok Ill entertain this.

 

Trump is openly and clearly condemning the violence and looting which as cost almost a billion dollars in property damage, over 30 killed, untold property damage and assaults, and offers any assistance needed to these democrat governors in the form of national guard and federal police - which they decline or undercut because of political optics - and this leads to continued anarchy in the streets. 

 

Joe biden does this and fuels the fire, along with his running mate. 

 

 

 

Biden condemmed the riots, thank you for confirming this.

 

trump is in charge. Maga

[Phoenix Rising]

57 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

This is you calling Trump supporters white supremacists? 

A great number of them undoubtedly are.

[Mama Noodle]

10 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Your narrative comes across as false in context as...

 

Witness accounts and video indicate the shootings took place in two stages: The gunman first shot someone at a car lot, then jogged away, fell in the street, and opened fire again as members of the crowd closed in on him.

 

 

Should he have allowed himself to have molotov cocktails thrown at him, be beaten with a skateboard, and shot with a pistol? 

[Mama Noodle]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

So far as I'm concerned there is no excuse whatsoever to shot an unarmed man in the back seven times. end of - bye

 

He was armed. He literally told the cops he had a knife. 

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Biden condemmed the riots, thank you for confirming this.

 

trump is in charge. Maga

 

Exactly why nobody ever wants to entertain your facetious trolling. 

[Logosone]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

So if he is elected he still wont do anything.

 

trump did send in troops and said he would send more to other cities. So more lies from him. As if he cares what people call him.

 

its jst trumps rule book, create as much mayhem as possible, blame everyone else, then say only he can fix it.

 

thats all he does. This is on his watch, he is to blame.

He is to blame for a police officer making a mistake? You expect Trump to police all police officers personally? I don't think so.

 

Trump wants to fix it. Again and again he tried to get extra police forces or federal troops into the affected cities. Again and again the mayors and attorney generals refused to allow Trump to do anything as the leftist press raised bogus constitutional obfuscations and screamed "dictator" whilst the left's blackshirts burned down businesses, cars and even federal buildings.

 

Trump did not create  this mayhem. Leftists agitators who exploit mistakes by police created this, with their ANTIFA stooges on the ground.

 

And only Trump has tried to send troops to fix this, but of course again and again the Democrats stabbed him in the back.

 

Everyone knows who is to blame for violence having infiltrated the political discourse to this degree, the extreme left and nobody else. They are the ones who are whipping the gullible up into a frenzy to create mayhem, purely for their political agenda.

[Mama Noodle]

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

A great number of them undoubtedly are.

 

So your opinion is that he was a "white supremacist" because he liked cops and went to a trump rally. 

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Exactly why nobody ever wants to entertain your facetious trolling. 

Says a guy who replies to his "facetious trolling" regularly!????