Navy: Country Needs Submarine

[mr mr]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Navy: Country Needs Submarine

country : yaaaaaa no we don't we need food and jobs and open borders 

[Evolare]

This huge chinese subs is a very easy target if their in the gulf of Thailand on the westcoats andaman sea having a larger sub can make more sense but would not be ideal for even that area for border protection if that is the major case they are buying them for. The the SAAB A26 line of submarines would be much more suitable and they could get 10 units of the A26 submarine for every Chinese sub they are buying but not as much pocket money. And in exercises with the US navy among other the SAAB submarines were undetectable and if the US Navy cant beat them other Navies for sure wont. 

[jaiyen]

So when the "new" (Already 7 years out of date !) subs arrive  will they come with a fully trained Chinese submariner crew who will help them use it ? Thailand has nobody who can captain or even crew a sub. Or is it just for display ?

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Navy Chief of Staff Adm Sittiporn Maskasem said any delay in purchasing the subs could affect the country's marine security and Thailand’s credibility in international trade.

Complete BS....

[djayz]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

vital for national defense

Who do they think they need to defend themselves from? 

 

[klauskunkel]

Navy Chief of Staff Adm Sittiporn Maskasem said any delay in purchasing the subs could affect the country's marine security and Thailand’s credibility in international trade his retirement fund.

[poohy]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Exactly what is the threat to Thailands national security that can be resolved with a Submarine??

 

Especially when considering the Gulf is too shallow (Av depth 58m). 

 

 

Thailand is better off putting the Billions of Baht for the cost of a Submarine towards a social welfare system to avoid the country going down the drain when 20%+ unemployment is realised after they killed off the economy due to the Covid-19 hysteria. 

Admirable thought old chap!

But sadly can't  see enough backhanders in that to entice anyone

[grumpy 4680]

    Don't need one, let alone three subs, to protect its carrier, permanentaly tied up in port

[fondue zoo]

35 minutes ago, DUNROAMIN said:

Thailand cant even provide proper waste management collection/facilities for the people, let alone billions of Barht for Submarines to protect what?????

You don't need efficient waste management when there are "side of the roads" everywhere.. jeez  

[Knocker33]

I wonder if they marched on stage to  "We all Iive in a red submarine "

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

VAdm Thaloengsak Sirisawat, director-general of the Navy Operations Department, said the country needed enough resources to protect its sovereignty and maritime routes in the event of a maritime territorial dispute or clash in the South China Sea.

Yeah ok... the sub will "pop-up" in the south China sea to tell China to sod-off, like that's gonna happen?

[Matzzon]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

The Bt22.5 billion payment will be divided into seven annual instalments of Bt2 billion-Bt3 billion

Yep, we all know that counting and Thailand is not compatible. Also there is no upgrade available today or in the future. Everyone knows that´s a maximum of 21 billion, without a calculator.

 

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Navy defends Bt22.5bn deal for submarines as ‘good value’

Tell that the the people below the 1% threshold. You know the 99% that are suffering from the pandemic.

[Srikcir]

Purchase of military equipment is a tactical decision driven by strategic policy. Strategic policy is formulated by politics. So don't say politics are not behind submarine purchases. 

Citing some vague future threat in the South China Sea seems a weak political aim for these submarines. Especially in the light that Thailand has no strategic interests in the Sea and politically aligned with China's territorial claims in the Sea that were rejected by the International Court.  

 

[chilli42]

Protect from who?  Likelihood that Thailand would survive a major conflict longer than a week, zero.  Well unless that conflict is against unarmed citizens. 

[Davedub]

This is a reflection of a greater global issue - that of little boy playground egotism played out with the wealth generated by hard working people - wealth that should be deployed combatting global problems that every country shares like the pandemic, sustainability, starvation and the lack of universal healthcare and education. The list goes on.

 

It makes me want to shout at all the global leaders at once to grow the f#ck up, stop it their pathetic squabbling over imaginary lines drawn on maps and the resources contained within and just get to work sorting this sh!tshow out - but of course, even if that were possible, they'd all just point at each other claiming "he started it". 

 

Sigh...

Edited August 25, 2020 by Davedub

[naryan]

The Chinese are domestic terrorist, they have destroyed China Cambodia, they are destroying Thailand, they have caused every illness' that has happened in modern times. They want to take over Thailand and Thai people have no say as a lot of the government and powerful people are Chinese, they own every gold shop in Thailand. I just hope the students can keep up their good work, as Thailand means free people and Thailand has lost its freedom! 

[Darkside Gray]

They wont do that there is no money in the trough if it is squandered on the poor and needy.

[Isaan sailor]

China must have made a very good deal to sell submarines to a country that doesn’t need them.  A friend of mine retired from international military equipment sales, told me how China sells.  They have low prices for inferior products, and provide generous kickbacks.  American competitors must adhere to strict accounting, and have little price adjustments.

[Burma Bill]

15 hours ago, PatOngo said:

They've got a useless aircraft carrier, been moored at Sattahip for years, open every year for Children's day!

Came with four Harrier jump jets when they got it, all now useless and stuck on top of poles on display!

A Harrier Jump Jet - ideal for "Children's Day"!!

 

 

[newnative]

'Good value' is only good value if you are buying something you need.  Otherwise, it's just a waste of money even if it's bargain-priced.  

[Old Dissenter]

Years ago the Thai navy had some Japanese built submarines which ceased to be operational. They have long since sort replacements.

[Ireland32]

6 hours ago, mark131v said:

# abso<deleted>inlutelydeluded.com

 

Takes years to build up a submarine force

 

1. First thing you need is a professional pool of military soldiers, sailors and technicians not to mention leadership with a high degree of education and ability, also required is appropriate infrastructure to deliver the training and development required to achieve the aim of a 21st century Submarine capability 

 

2. Cannot......

 

And their aircraft carrier is used for what Garage 

[Ireland32]

Thai people not understand, why not help the people 

[Darkside Gray]

Not as good a deal as if the money was going to help the poor and needy 

[Bender Rodriguez]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Navy defends Bt22.5bn deal for submarines as ‘good value’

loooooooooooooool

 

hey, I got a space station for sale, hardly ever used... 

[Isaan sailor]

Perhaps the Admirals have a valid point.  We all see how China has falsely claimed the South China Sea.  Next, China will produce a map of the “West China Sea” a.k.a. the Gulf of Thailand—and lay their claim to it.  Finally, the Chinese will chose a remote rock reef in the Gulf, and dump enough fill onto it for a 4000m runway.  Thai submarines could deter this, and save the Gulf!

[Sydebolle]

Now it is proven beyond reasonable doubt; the navy is doomed as well - if the defense, serving the government and latter the people, comes up with such incomprehensible stuff ...

The kiddies in the toy store; Sitthiporn Matkasem and his Thaloengsak Sirisawat do not need any such  resources to protect Thailand's sovereignty and maritime routes in the event of a maritime territorial dispute or clash in the South China Sea.

The South China Sea is none of Thailand's business - it is called the Gulf of Thailand. Latter is not accessible for submarines due to its shallow coast line. 
The Cambodians have different fish to fry and so do the Malays. Singapore is a fairly grown-up country with a definitely wiser set of ministers steering the country. The Burmese would have a hell of an access trip all the way from Rangoon and well, Laos, to my latest update, is and remains a landlocked country. The Mekong is on the way being dried out by dams operated by the Chinese and the Thais = no need for submarines either. 

In short; why dont the navy clowns come with a better excuse for a bigger circus, just help themselves with the cash they want to steal and whitewash and leave the submarines in peace.

After all, the learning curve of the Chakri Naruebet aircraft carrier is a THB 1.9+ million affair, each and every day since commissioning 23 years ago! 

The price tag of then USD 285 million (in today's money THB 16.7 billion) stands against the fact, that thee is not a single aircraft left being airworthy = aircraft carrier turns into a huge yacht? 

Never a day of active duty (thank the Lord for that) and no threat in sight as well. Even if there would be an invasion, the vessel is a sitting duck without a single airworthy plane.

So much to the navy and its farsightedness! This country is seriously srecwd with such pr1cks going shopping with money the country really could put to much better use! 

[Sydebolle]

Now it is proven beyond reasonable doubt; the navy is doomed as well - if the defense, serving the government and latter the people, comes up with such incomprehensible stuff ...

The kiddies in the toy store; Sitthiporn Matkasem and his Thaloengsak Sirisawat do not need any such  resources to protect Thailand's sovereignty and maritime routes in the event of a maritime territorial dispute or clash in the South China Sea.

The South China Sea is none of Thailand's business - it is called the Gulf of Thailand. Latter is not accessible for submarines due to its shallow coast line. 
The Cambodians have different fish to fry and so do the Malays. Singapore is a fairly grown-up country with a definitely wiser set of ministers steering the country. The Burmese would have a hell of an access trip all the way from Rangoon and well, Laos, to my latest update, is and remains a landlocked country. The Mekong is on the way being dried out by dams operated by the Chinese and the Thais = no need for submarines either. 

In short; why dont the navy clowns come with a better excuse for a bigger circus, just help themselves with the cash they want to steal and whitewash and leave the submarines in peace.

After all, the learning curve of the Chakri Naruebet aircraft carrier is a THB 1.9+ million affair, each and every day since commissioning 23 years ago! 

The price tag of then USD 285 million (in today's money THB 16.7 billion) stands against the fact, that thee is not a single aircraft left being airworthy = aircraft carrier turns into a huge yacht? 

Never a day of active duty (thank the Lord for that) and no threat in sight as well. Even if there would be an invasion, the vessel is a sitting duck without a single airworthy plane.

So much to the navy and its farsightedness! This country is seriously srecwd with such pr1cks going shopping with money the country really could put to much better use! 

[bunnydrops]

13 hours ago, geisha said:

I think they’re going to use them to pick up the tourists for the new island scheme .

Since they are making the old prisons tourist attractions, I could see myself paying for an up and down ride at the dock.

[miamiman123]

“National Interest”???? Indeed

while Thai people are hungry and desperate????

crazy as barn yard rats!!!