Prominent Republicans throw weight behind Biden as Trump's convention opens

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, rcummings said:

Don't know what search engine you're using. Took me all of a minute to find this:

In a Medium post published early Sunday morning (full post below), Biden said “protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.”

https://variety.com/2020/politics/news/george-floyd-protests-joe-biden-responds-1234621326/

The search I was referring to was on the supposed quote by Trump about rioting and lawlessness if Biden is elected.

 

As to the link you provided the date of the article is May 31st, 2020.  Now read my post again.  What's with you people that you can't get a single thing right about my post? LOL

[Phoenix Rising]

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

What's with you people that you can't get a single thing right about my post? 

It's not what's "with" us, it's what's with your posts. Full of unsubstantiated claims, factual errors and desperate diversions they're not much to get right about in the first place.

[rcummings]

40 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

 

 

  

Biden made a big hullabaloo by stating, “More than 50 million people have filed for unemployment this year.”  Completely without context as those numbers are not due to any economic Trump policies but directly attributed to the pandemic lockdowns.

 

A number of speakers promoted the narrative that Trump’s economy was inherited and he was just riding the coattails of the Obama/Biden economy.  Also BS.  The Obama/Biden recovery was the worst in U.S. history.

Funny about you calling out misrepresentations. Yes those numbers are without context. But to put them in context, a lot less would be filing had Trump acted swiftly and decisively to fight the pandemic. Not only was he slow to react and in fact is still derelict in his duty in regards to testing and supplying PPE, but he actually encouraged states to reopen way too early.

I am delighted that you cited this though:

"Trump failed to keep Americans safe from the pandemic.  We've gone round and round on this one enough here.  Biden would have handled it better?  Politico - Biden has fought a pandemic before. It did not go smoothly."

Had you read the article you would have found that Biden was actually way ahead of the rest of the Obama administration in regards to H1N1.

“‘Listen, we need to be aggressive early on this,’” Biden announced, according to Brennan.

The next week, Biden made good on his pledge — and set off a deluge of criticism. In an interview on NBC’s “Today,” Biden said he wouldn’t advise his family to fly on planes or ride the subway."

I don't think I need to spell out the contrast between Biden's reaction and Trump's.

And talking of context in regards to the economy. The recovery was slow. Maybe that's because once Republicans took the House, they actually began pushing for austerity. Austerity! Even though Obama's stimulus was only 800 billion of which about 300 billion was tax cuts. And virtually all Republicans in the House opposed it. Contrast that reaction with how the House Democrats supported a 3 trillion dollar bill this time.. And the recovery's slow start is irrelevant to Trump's performance. By the time Trump took office it was doing fine. 

Here's the unemployment trend line:

 

Here's the GDP:

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp

 

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate#:~:text=Unemployment Rate in the United,percent in May of 1953.

Edited August 25, 2020 by rcummings

[Thingamabob]

Just relax guys. Easy win upcoming for Trump in November. Find something else to think about.

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

These riots are for the President to response. After all this happening under his watch and his leadership style may be the reason stoking the disturbances. 

All democratic run cities, and not a word during the dem convention.

[Caldera]

Once Trump loses the election, it will be fun to watch how the GOP will cleanse itself of Trump and his ilk in record time. Some of his most outspoken supporters will have been voted out along with him, others will simply fade away.

 

I'm very hopeful that this will be a genuine chance for the Republican party to renew itself. Trump is a stain, but he can be washed off. Just like that.

[PatOngo]

5 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Flake and Conway hate Trump more than they love America

Finally, some common sense prevails! 

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

As the Commander-in-chief and the chief citizen of the country, his action can calm or incite the protests and riots. He has the chance to be presidential and used a measured approach by giving guidance and help to the local administrators especially positions held by the Dems. Instead his approach has been uneven and even used violent, ugly rhetoric and intimidation on the protesters and local administrators. He has created a toxic situation of only blame, threats and created an unworkable relationship between the federal and Dem state officials. Some of his tweets are simply not conducive to ending the protests like he tweets "when the looting starts the shooting starts", language that inflame an already combustible situation and again not appear to be the President for all Americans.  

Given my experience with your posts, Eric, I have never, ever read a single word of praise for or appreciation or commendation or approval of any Trump accomplishment.  Of course in your mind Trump has none since, again from my experience, you've never expressed one.  So please don't lecture me on what action Trump should have taken, re the protests and riots and looting and property destruction and assaults and arson, as it is plainly obvious that there is no such action which exists that Trump could or should have taken to gain your approval.

 

Your post is a canard in that you've already pre-judged any Trump action as nefarious, self-serving, criminal, vile, shameful, perverse, deplorable, or vicious but you mislead the reader to think there is something about Trump or his actions that you could consider praiseworthy.

[rcummings]

51 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The search I was referring to was on the supposed quote by Trump about rioting and lawlessness if Biden is elected.

 

As to the link you provided the date of the article is May 31st, 2020.  Now read my post again.  What's with you people that you can't get a single thing right about my post? LOL

Here's what you wrote:

"As far as I know Biden has never spoken out against the riots or BLM or Antifa.  He doesn't have the character to stand for any principle and most assuredly does not want to alienate these thugs.  Afterall, he needs their vote."

I believe that scientists currently date the big bang back about 13 billion years. Apparently, according to you, Time began sometime after May 31, 2020. You wrote ""As far as I know Biden has never spoken out against the riots or BLM or Antifa."

Where I come from "never" means "not ever". Does it mean something different in your neck of the woods?

Why can't you get a simple thing like that write about the very post you wrote?

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Fine people on both sides

Which you purposefully continue to take out of context and, seeing how this has been long debunked and fact-checked to be false by at least two fact-checkers, deceitfully continue to repeat and promote.

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by Tippaporn

[Eric Loh]

27 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

All democratic run cities, and not a word during the dem convention.

Dems including Biden has spoken in much length about the riots and looting which they condemned. They also condemned Antifa. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/13/fact-check-democrats-have-condemned-violence-linked-protests/3317862001/
However the DNC is an opportune time and platform to talk about cause, solutions and policies and not on events. Cause were brought up like racial injustice and inequality that resulted in the dissatisfaction among certain segments of the society that brought them to the streets. That should be the right approach to understanding and solving a problem; not politicizing events and casting blames. 
 

[rcummings]

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

We're living through the greatest psy-op/smear campaign ever perpetrated on a President and the American people in the history of the United States.  Don't expect me to succumb to the brainwashing.  LOL

And what dark forces are behind this smear campaign?

I will give this much credit to Trump: when he headed the smear campaign known as "birtherism" he openly allied himself with it.

[Phoenix Rising]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

We're living through the greatest psy-op/smear campaign ever perpetrated on a President and the American people in the history of the United States.  Don't expect me to succumb to the brainwashing.  LOL

We're living through the greatest smear/underwear stain of a presidency in the history of the United States. Don't expect me to keep quiet about it. LOL.

And neither will these guys:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeff-flake-joins-more-2-132818487.html

 

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 Of course in your mind Trump has none since, again from my experience, you've never expressed one.  

If you refrain from assuming you know what others are thinking on the basis of what they haven’t said you might avoid making such ludicrously illogical arguments.

[rcummings]

49 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Just relax guys. Easy win upcoming for Trump in November. Find something else to think about.

It's always a little sad to see such a vacuous statement given a "like".

[Tippaporn]

43 minutes ago, rcummings said:

Funny about you calling out misrepresentations. Yes those numbers are without context. But to put them in context, a lot less would be filing had Trump acted swiftly and decisively to fight the pandemic. Not only was he slow to react and in fact is still derelict in his duty in regards to testing and supplying PPE, but he actually encouraged states to reopen way too early.

I am delighted that you cited this though:

"Trump failed to keep Americans safe from the pandemic.  We've gone round and round on this one enough here.  Biden would have handled it better?  Politico - Biden has fought a pandemic before. It did not go smoothly."

Had you read the article you would have found that Biden was actually way ahead of the rest of the Obama administration in regards to H1N1.

“‘Listen, we need to be aggressive early on this,’” Biden announced, according to Brennan.

The next week, Biden made good on his pledge — and set off a deluge of criticism. In an interview on NBC’s “Today,” Biden said he wouldn’t advise his family to fly on planes or ride the subway."

I don't think I need to spell out the contrast between Biden's reaction and Trump's.

And talking of context in regards to the economy. The recovery was slow. Maybe that's because once Republicans took the House, they actually began pushing for austerity. Austerity! Even though Obama's stimulus was only 800 billion of which about 300 billion was tax cuts. And virtually all Republicans in the House opposed it. Contrast that reaction with how the House Democrats supported a 3 trillion dollar bill this time.. And the recovery's slow start is irrelevant to Trump's performance. By the time Trump took office it was doing fine. 

Here's the unemployment trend line:

 

Here's the GDP:

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp

 

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate#:~:text=Unemployment Rate in the United,percent in May of 1953.

Good job.  Of course you can pull data from all sorts of places.  The so-called “Obama recovery” was historically weak. The average GDP growth rate was between 1.5 and 2.1 percent, depending on the source, but still the weakest recovery under any post-WWII president.  The historical context is important as well.  The natural tendency is for unemployment to fall after a recession.  From the fourth quarter of 2017 to the fourth quarter of 2018 the economy grew at a 3.1 percent rate, the highest percentage in 13 years.

 

Now keep going.  There are 16 more lies for you to debunk.  And when you're finished with those I'll post the rest of the lies coming out of the DNC.

[Maktian D]

9 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

We're living through the greatest smear/underwear stain of a presidency in the history of the United States. Don't expect me to keep quiet about it. LOL.

And neither will these guys:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeff-flake-joins-more-2-132818487.html

 

 

Good Riddance to all those in this list.   we dont need these low life career politician . these folks are the reason why America is bleeding

[steven100]

2 minutes ago, Maktian D said:

Good Riddance to all those in this list.   we dont need these low life career politician . these folks are the reason why America is bleeding

all defectors ....  no backbone. 

[simple1]

57 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Once Trump loses the election, it will be fun to watch how the GOP will cleanse itself of Trump and his ilk in record time. Some of his most outspoken supporters will have been voted out along with him, others will simply fade away.

 

I'm very hopeful that this will be a genuine chance for the Republican party to renew itself. Trump is a stain, but he can be washed off. Just like that.

One hopes you're correct, but I have a bad feeling ''Trumpism' will morph into an even more extremist form in some sections of US society.

[Berkshire]

5 minutes ago, steven100 said:

9 minutes ago, Maktian D said:

Good Riddance to all those in this list.   we dont need these low life career politician . these folks are the reason why America is bleeding

all defectors ....  no backbone.

Or you could say these Republicans are the only ones courageous enough to stand up to that lying, treasonous, conman Trump. 

[Tippaporn]

33 minutes ago, rcummings said:

Here's what you wrote:

"As far as I know Biden has never spoken out against the riots or BLM or Antifa.  He doesn't have the character to stand for any principle and most assuredly does not want to alienate these thugs.  Afterall, he needs their vote."

I believe that scientists currently date the big bang back about 13 billion years. Apparently, according to you, Time began sometime after May 31, 2020. You wrote ""As far as I know Biden has never spoken out against the riots or BLM or Antifa."

Where I come from "never" means "not ever". Does it mean something different in your neck of the woods?

Why can't you get a simple thing like that write about the very post you wrote?

I kinda remember writing this, too:  "The last time Joe Biden mentioned riots was June 4th . . . " but it seems to me to be missing in your post.  I'm not going to go through another, "this is what I wrote," "this is what you wrote" back and forth.  You got everything about my post wrong and that's the end of it as far as I'm concerned.

[rcummings]

14 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Good job.  Of course you can pull data from all sorts of places.  The so-called “Obama recovery” was historically weak. The average GDP growth rate was between 1.5 and 2.1 percent, depending on the source, but still the weakest recovery under any post-WWII president.  The historical context is important as well.  The natural tendency is for unemployment to fall after a recession.  From the fourth quarter of 2017 to the fourth quarter of 2018 the economy grew at a 3.1 percent rate, the highest percentage in 13 years.

 

Now keep going.  There are 16 more lies for you to debunk.  And when you're finished with those I'll post the rest of the lies coming out of the DNC.

Of course it was weak at first. The Republicans sabotaged it once they got the house. As I pointed out they actually pushed for austerity in the wake of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. A far worse recession than the ones you allude to. And they pushed for austerity because they had principles, right? Principles which they hastily abandoned in the wake of the Covid crisis. As for average growth rate, of course it was low. That includes the crash the Obama inherited when GDP growth was negative in 2019. But if you're going to factor in that crash, then to be intellectually honest you should do the same for the crash under Trump. Somehow I don't see you doing that.

And talk about intellectual dishonesty..you actually think it's valid to cherry pick 1 year? As economists such as John Maynard Keynes point out, it's easy to generate a "sugar high" with a tax cut. That's what explains that big increase in GDP.  If you want to play the cherry picking game, what what about the last 3 quarters before Covid hit? Do you know what the growth rate was then? 2.0. 2.0. and 2.1. Over all of 2019 the average growth rate was 2.3% The economy slowed down bigly.  Remember Trump administration's predictions of 4 percent growth from his tax cuts? And the huge jump in workers wages that they would generate? Never happened. Unless by workers you mean the 1 percent. I will concede that their gains were far superior to 4 percent.

[Berkshire]

38 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Good job.  Of course you can pull data from all sorts of places.  The so-called “Obama recovery” was historically weak. The average GDP growth rate was between 1.5 and 2.1 percent, depending on the source, but still the weakest recovery under any post-WWII president.  The historical context is important as well.  The natural tendency is for unemployment to fall after a recession.  From the fourth quarter of 2017 to the fourth quarter of 2018 the economy grew at a 3.1 percent rate, the highest percentage in 13 years.

 

Now keep going.  There are 16 more lies for you to debunk.  And when you're finished with those I'll post the rest of the lies coming out of the DNC.

Misleading or outright untrue.  The below article tells the truth and compares apples to apples.  Trump really hasn't done anything except inherit a strong economy from Obama. 

 

[If you compare key economic indicators from Barack Obama’s second term in office to the first three years of Trump’s time (that is, before the pandemic hit), the data show a continuation of trends, not a dramatic shift. It suggests Trump didn’t build something new; rather he inherited a pretty good situation.]

 

[But the numbers show that average quarterly economic growth under Trump, 2.5 percent, was almost exactly what it was under Obama in the second term, 2.4 percent.]

 

[The president rightly takes credit for having low unemployment during his presidency. In December of 2019, the unemployment rate was a scant 3.5 percent, the lowest it had been in 50 years.  However, as good as that number was, when Trump took office the rate was already at 4.7 percent.]

 

[In fact, Obama saw a much steeper drop in unemployment in his second term, a 3.3 drop in the rate, than Trump did in his first three years, a decline of 1.2 points.]

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/data-show-trump-didn-t-build-great-economy-he-inherited-n1237793

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

It wouldn't be a Democrat Party convention if "prominent" Republicans like Colin Powell didn't show up to endorse the nominee.

[Sujo]

15 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

It wouldn't be a Democrat Party convention if "prominent" Republicans like Colin Powell didn't show up to endorse the nominee.

What day is gwb doing his speech for trump.

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Which you purposefully continue to take out of context and, seeing how this has been long debunked and fact-checked to be false by at least two fact-checkers, deceitfully continue to repeat and promote.

 

You are correct. I left out the word ‘very’.

 

Very fine people on both sides.

 

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/18517980/trump-unite-the-right-racism-defense-charlottesville

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, Maktian D said:

Good Riddance to all those in this list.   we dont need these low life career politician . these folks are the reason why America is bleeding

The swamp is being drained of the few that had any moral backbone at all and what remains is the very worst of the bottom dwellers.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, Maktian D said:

Good Riddance to all those in this list.   we dont need these low life career politician . these folks are the reason why America is bleeding

Most if not all are all former lol .The first stiff (flake) couldn't get a second nomination  cause his poll ratings were guttered and abysmal 

 

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

all defectors ....  no backbone. 

 

[Phoenix Rising]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

Most if not all are all former lol .The first stiff (flake) couldn't get a second nomination  cause his poll ratings were guttered and abysmal 

 

 

Yes, it's often costly to take a stand against stupidity.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Good job.  Of course you can pull data from all sorts of places.  The so-called “Obama recovery” was historically weak. The average GDP growth rate was between 1.5 and 2.1 percent, depending on the source, but still the weakest recovery under any post-WWII president.  The historical context is important as well.  The natural tendency is for unemployment to fall after a recession.  From the fourth quarter of 2017 to the fourth quarter of 2018 the economy grew at a 3.1 percent rate, the highest percentage in 13 years.

 

Now keep going.  There are 16 more lies for you to debunk.  And when you're finished with those I'll post the rest of the lies coming out of the DNC.

And of course, your figures are inaccurate.