Trump plans attack on Biden as U.S. faces coronavirus crisis and protests

[BobBKK]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Major mistake holding the RNC final day on the White House lawn. Go against normal protocul and decorum and also the gathering of 1,500 guests go against his own administration's guidelines on size, mask and social distancing. Reinforce him as a person that tramples on decency and behavior befitting a leader no less a President. His thrash speech will appeal to his bedrock supporters but will turn off the educated whites folks in swing states and the minorities. No wonder 20 GOPs decided not to attend this controversial RNC gig on the WH lawn.  

"turn off the educated whites folks"  wow what about the educated black folks eh Eric?  they don't count?

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

"turn off the educated whites folks"  wow what about the educated black folks eh Eric?  they don't count?

That's a given. Black Americans college educated and non college educated do not support Trump. Roughly 8 out of 10 black voters say that there're uncomfortable with his 2020 re-election run. His 2016 election only able to muster single digit black votes. Will be worse this time. 

[Logosone]

9 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

That's a given. Black Americans college educated and non college educated do not support Trump. Roughly 8 out of 10 black voters say that there're uncomfortable with his 2020 re-election run. His 2016 election only able to muster single digit black votes. Will be worse this time. 

That's true. And since Covid-19 disproportionately affected blacks and Latinos in urban centres but not so much rural areas and businessmen in those parts, it is likely the sharpest effect of the Covid 19 voter disaffection will not have an impact on Trump's votes. Because those Black voters would not have voted for Trump anyway.

 

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by Logosone

[Pattaya Spotter]

Cluster bombs and bunker busters incoming...along with a spray of napalm!

[Thailand]

The only fireworks were the fireworks.

[2 is 1]

Now Trump want Biden take drug test! Hope Biden team want Trump take electroencephalogram test , think both test not show nothing !

[ThaiFelix]

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

4 hours ago, webfact said:

"I have a message for all of you: The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon, and I mean very soon, come to an end," Trump told the Republican convention in Cleveland in July 2016.

Great message from Trump. This is what voters want to hear. And end to the crime and violence spree engulfing the nation. Not supporting, excusing, downplaying the violence and beatifying violent career criminals in a desperate bid to be approved by the woke mob. The public do not want to see talking heads boasting of mostly peaceful protests in front of burning car lots and buildings reminiscent of some Apocalypse Now scenes. It reeks of dishonesty.

 Donald Trump, the Law and Order President, does what it says on the box, and I am grateful for it.

I am truly staggered that you have posted the above in support of Trump because all it tells me is that your "Law and Order President" has done nothing at all to solve the crime and violence problem during his term, let alone "very soon"??  In retrospect his message "reeks of dishonesty" and you have not only proved it, but have reminded us of his failure to follow through with his promise..

[Logosone]

Just saw the Trump speech. He specifically attacked:

 

1. Biden not voting to pursue Ben Laden

 

2. Biden voting for the war in Iraq

 

3. Biden being favoured by China and voting for them to join the WTO

 

4. Biden likely to put in place restrictive laws on gun ownership

 

5. Biden supporting abortion.

 

Very high on specifics this Trump speech, much less than Biden who gave a general speech. Trump much more specific and much longer speech.

Edited August 28, 2020 by Logosone

[thaichina]

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Donald Trump, the Law and Order President, does what it says on the box, and I am grateful for it.

Lol, you made my day sir, thank you!

[Pattaya Spotter]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Just saw the Trump speech. He specifically attacked:

 

1. Biden not voting to pursue Ben Laden

 

2. Biden voting for the war in Iraq

Being in politics for 50 years and accomplishing nothing is an even more damning indictment (unless you consider locking-up a generation of young black men and taking away people's rights in bankruptcy accomplishments).

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Being in politics for 50 years and accomplishing nothing is an even more damning indictment (unless you consider locking-up a generation of young black men and taking away people's rights in bankruptcy accomplishments).

I am sure this will not placate you. Just snippets of the volume of work that Biden has done serving the people for last 50 years.

 

Re-elected 6 times to the US Senate was a testimony to the work that he done well as representative for his constituency. Long time member and former chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. He opposed the Gulf War in 1991, but advocated U.S. and NATO intervention in the Bosnian War in 1994 and 1995. He voted in favor of the resolution authorizing the Iraq War in 2002, but opposed the surge of U.S. troops in 2007. He has also served as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, dealing with issues related to drug policy, crime prevention, and civil liberties. Biden led the efforts to pass the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act and the Violence Against Women Act. He also chaired the Judiciary Committee during the contentious U.S. Supreme Court nominations of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas. Running mate of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and became the first Roman Catholic to serve as vice president of the United States.

As vice president, Biden oversaw infrastructure spending aimed at counteracting the Great Recession and helped formulate U.S. policy toward Iraq through the withdrawal of U.S. troops in 2011. His ability to negotiate with congressional Republicans helped the Obama administration pass legislation such as the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Re-authorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010, which resolved a taxation deadlock; the Budget Control Act of 2011, which resolved that year's debt ceiling crisis; and the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, which addressed the impending fiscal cliff. In October 2015, after months of speculation, Biden announced he would not seek the presidency in the 2016 election. In January 2017, Obama awarded Biden the Presidential Medal of Freedom with distinction. After completing his second term as vice president, Biden joined the faculty of the University of Pennsylvania, where he was named the Benjamin Franklin Professor of Presidential Practice.

[Logosone]

19 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

I am truly staggered that you have posted the above in support of Trump because all it tells me is that your "Law and Order President" has done nothing at all to solve the crime and violence problem during his term, let alone "very soon"??  In retrospect his message "reeks of dishonesty" and you have not only proved it, but have reminded us of his failure to follow through with his promise..

Trump did a lot to try and fight the excessive violence which the left, BLM and ANTIFA introduced into the political discourse since the Floyd protests. However, the Washington mayor refused him the use of the police force. The mayor of Portland refused to co-operate with federal troops sent to restore order there. The mayor of Chicago refused Trump's offer to send federal troops.

 

So Trump tried many times to fight the forces of chaos the left has unleashed, but unsurprisingly the left-leaning Democrat mayors sabotaged his efforts.

 

Of course once Trump gets re-elected it will be much harder for the mayors to refuse such interventions and Trump will feel emboldened to push trough federal interventions in the Democrat cities.

[Logosone]

17 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Being in politics for 50 years and accomplishing nothing is an even more damning indictment (unless you consider locking-up a generation of young black men and taking away people's rights in bankruptcy accomplishments).

You're right, that is one of Biden's key problems, he is seen as part of the old guard in Washington. 

 

And Biden did vote for war in Yugoslavia, in Syria, in Iraq, but he accomplished very little.

 

Even the addition of a pretend Lil' Wayne will not electrify left-leaning voters to turn out en masse for the unassertive, vanilla politician who is seen as one of the old guard.

 

 

[ThaiFelix]

Just now, Logosone said:

Trump did a lot to try and fight the excessive violence which the left, BLM and ANTIFA introduced into the political discourse since the Floyd protests. However, the Washington mayor refused him the use of the police force. The mayor of Portland refused to co-operate with federal troops sent to restore order there. The mayor of Chicago refused Trump's offer to send federal troops.

 

So Trump tried many times to fight the forces of chaos the left has unleashed, but unsurprisingly the left-leaning Democrat mayors sabotaged his efforts.

 

Of course once Trump gets re-elected it will be much harder for the mayors to refuse such interventions and Trump will feel emboldened to push trough federal interventions in the Democrat cities.

Sounds like you are just playing the ol Trump blame game?

 

And may I ask how Trump will be better armed to fight the chaos if he is re-elected?  

[Sujo]

11 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Trump did a lot to try and fight the excessive violence which the left, BLM and ANTIFA introduced into the political discourse since the Floyd protests. However, the Washington mayor refused him the use of the police force. The mayor of Portland refused to co-operate with federal troops sent to restore order there. The mayor of Chicago refused Trump's offer to send federal troops.

 

So Trump tried many times to fight the forces of chaos the left has unleashed, but unsurprisingly the left-leaning Democrat mayors sabotaged his efforts.

 

Of course once Trump gets re-elected it will be much harder for the mayors to refuse such interventions and Trump will feel emboldened to push trough federal interventions in the Democrat cities.

He can push through federal interventions now. But he wont. Why not.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

That's true. And since Covid-19 disproportionately affected blacks and Latinos in urban centres but not so much rural areas and businessmen in those parts, it is likely the sharpest effect of the Covid 19 voter disaffection will not have an impact on Trump's votes. Because those Black voters would not have voted for Trump anyway.

 

 

Well apart from all the older voters who, regardless of race, are at a higher risk from COVID-19 and who understand very well that Trump has placed the impact of the economy on his election prospects over and above their safety.

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Great message from Trump. This is what voters want to hear. And end to the crime and violence spree engulfing the nation. Not supporting, excusing, downplaying the violence and beatifying violent career criminals in a desperate bid to be approved by the woke mob. The public do not want to see talking heads boasting of mostly peaceful protests in front of burning car lots and buildings reminiscent of some Apocalypse Now scenes. It reeks of dishonesty.

 Donald Trump, the Law and Order President, does what it says on the box, and I am grateful for it.

Why does he promise something what he could have sorted out within the last 3.5 years?

It's like: I promised that to you 4 years ago but I failed. Now I promise it again. Believe me! Yeah, sure. No more questions.

[Logosone]

12 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

Sounds like you are just playing the ol Trump blame game?

 

And may I ask how Trump will be better armed to fight the chaos if he is re-elected?  

Well, if Trump wanted to send federal troops to Democrat cities to restore order but Democrat mayors refused to allow it who is to blame for the escalation of chaos?

 

After Trump's re-election that in itself will give him a mandate. And I suspect Trump will have far less reservations about using the federal prerogative to send federal troops if he thinks it necessary. He was very circumspect and careful the last time and did not push the issue, only sending a few small numbers of troops. However, once re-elected he will have less cause to be so circumspect. His mandate will make it harder for Democrat mayors to justify their obstruction of law and order forces. The more the protests go on the more it will become clear it is a real issue that, as Trump says, requires a real response.

Edited August 28, 2020 by Logosone

[Logosone]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why does he promise something what he could have sorted out within the last 3.5 years?

It's like: I promised that to you 4 years ago but I failed. Now I promise it again. Believe me! Yeah, sure. No more questions.

The mass rioting and destruction only started recently, after the Floyd protests.  It took time for BLM and the extreme left to whip the gullible masses into a frenzy. When Trump tried to respond he was sabotaged by Democrat mayors again and again.

 

The mayor of Washington refused him the use of police. The mayor of Portland refused to co-operate with federal troops. The mayor of Chicago refused to allow federal troops at all.

 

Given the climate at the time Trump was careful not to push the issue and only sent a few troops to the very worst affected areas. However, a re-election would give him a clear mandate to address the law and order problem in the US. And since Trump can't be re-elected again he would have no compunction to impose law and order above the mayors' objections this time around.

 

 

[rvaviator]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

And now he is promising exactly the same again if he gets reelected. His party doesn't have a program, and still people are falling for it, again.

Maybe he will forget to re-promise that Mexico will pay for the wall .. that great beautiful wall .. best wall in the world ....

[Logosone]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well apart from all the older voters who, regardless of race, are at a higher risk from COVID-19 and who understand very well that Trump has placed the impact of the economy on his election prospects over and above their safety.

 

 

 

It's surprising, actually, when you speak to some of the older folk they actually say they do not want to be the cause of lockdowns and such. They do not all want the world to stop because of the virus. Many have an overriding concern for their children, rather than themselves. And they depend on the economy.

[simple1]

42 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Just saw the Trump speech. He specifically attacked:

 

1. Biden not voting to pursue Ben Laden

 

2. Biden voting for the war in Iraq

 

3. Biden being favoured by China and voting for them to join the WTO

 

4. Biden likely to put in place restrictive laws on gun ownership

 

5. Biden supporting abortion.

 

Very high on specifics this Trump speech, much less than Biden who gave a general speech. Trump much more specific and much longer speech.

Same old stuff, nothing new, trump spin. Bin Laden claim is misrepresentation of what actually happened. At the time US support for China entry to WTO was bi partisan. majority support Wayne versus Roe and so on

[Sujo]

Biden mentions trump. 0

Trump mentions biden, 41.

 

Living rent free in his head.

 

Trump saying the country is in chaos. He can fix it, he wont. But he wants to blame someone who has no authority to fix it.

[Odysseus123]

3 hours ago, Thailand said:

Isn't the mayhem violence in the cities,huge  death toll from Covid etc actually happening on Trump's watch so where does the buck stop?

Where does the buck stop?

 

With Harry Truman one supposes as it obviously doesn't stop with the incumbent president.

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

After Trump's re-election that in itself will give him a mandate. And I suspect Trump will have far less reservations about using the federal prerogative to send federal troops if he thinks it necessary. He was very circumspect and careful the last time and did not push the issue, only sending a few small numbers of troops. However, once re-elected he will have less cause to be so circumspect. His mandate will make it harder for Democrat mayors to justify their obstruction of law and order forces. The more the protests go on the more it will become clear it is a real issue that, as Trump says, requires a real response.

55555....what a fantasy.  If Trump is reelected, i.e., he'll no longer worry about being reelected, Trump will be laser focused on lining his pockets, helping out his buddies (coal barons and dictators alike), going after his (perceived) enemies, and stuffing the DOJ with people who will ensure that he never sees a jail cell for his years of criminality.  He'll spend most of his time on Trump properties golfing.  He won't give a hoot about what goes on in the cities....not his problem. 

[riclag]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

"These guys are rooting for violence. That's what it's all about," Biden said on CNN. "To prove the issue 'be scared of Joe Biden,' they're pointing to what's happening in Donald Trump's America."

 Americans  are scared of you because of  your  radical supporters and your 40 years of being complicit,  part of the Washington establishment,who promised so much and yet your political rhetoric is just what it has been through out your life, as a career politician!

 

I must confess I have a question  about this statement 

"rooting for violence" I read your speech at  the dem convention,  the two things that stood out for me, is there wasn't anything mentioned about the riots that caused, looting ,deaths,firers, destruction and anarchy in the streets !

 

 The other,you mentioned in your speech,

 "My father taught us that silence was complicity.  And I could never remain silent or complicit".  

What a hypocrite !

 

"Democrats' silence on our summer of violence is a tactical blunder"

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/510217-democrats-silence-on-our-summer-of-violence-is-a-tactical-blunder

Edited August 28, 2020 by riclag

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

The mass rioting and destruction only started recently, after the Floyd protests.  It took time for BLM and the extreme left to whip the gullible masses into a frenzy. When Trump tried to respond he was sabotaged by Democrat mayors again and again.

 

The mayor of Washington refused him the use of police. The mayor of Portland refused to co-operate with federal troops. The mayor of Chicago refused to allow federal troops at all.

 

Given the climate at the time Trump was careful not to push the issue and only sent a few troops to the very worst affected areas. However, a re-election would give him a clear mandate to address the law and order problem in the US. And since Trump can't be re-elected again he would have no compunction to impose law and order above the mayors' objections this time around.

It seems you think more police and more soldiers on American streets will make the situation better. Really?

Did anybody over there learn anything from the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.? More soldiers is not the same as making peace!

 

What did Trump do to make the situation for the American people and especially for the blacks and other minorities better? The job of the president is supposed to be to work for all Americans and to make life better for all American - including those black guys.

America has a big racism problem and Trump and his behavior make that problem bigger. It won't go away by using more police and more federal law enforcement and more soldiers.

It will only get better if the president works to make it better. And that is the opposite of what Trump is doing.

But obviously that helps him in a way: Those are the bad guys, we have to fight them. We need more police, more weapons, etc. 

America, the land of the free. Yeah, sure.

[jcsmith]

The China thing is hilarious since Bolton has revealed that Trump basically asked them for help to get re-elected and got rebuffed. Let's not forget he was praising China when Covid was in the early times. Then when he realized he didn't get his way he's back on the attack. 

Same with the Iraq War thing. Trump was also in support of it, no matter how many times he tries to make it seem like he wasn't. He pretends that things like video and audio do not exist. 

[Logosone]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems you think more police and more soldiers on American streets will make the situation better. Really?

Did anybody over there learn anything from the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.? More soldiers is not the same as making peace!

 

What did Trump do to make the situation for the American people and especially for the blacks and other minorities better? The job of the president is supposed to be to work for all Americans and to make life better for all American - including those black guys.

America has a big racism problem and Trump and his behavior make that problem bigger. It won't go away by using more police and more federal law enforcement and more soldiers.

It will only get better if the president works to make it better. And that is the opposite of what Trump is doing.

But obviously that helps him in a way: Those are the bad guys, we have to fight them. We need more police, more weapons, etc. 

America, the land of the free. Yeah, sure.

First of all Americans are not like Arabs or Afghans who will fight to the death. Most of the left wing protesters do not know how to fight, have never fought apart from throwing stones at police cars, burning police cars or throwing water bottles at police. These Americans were not invaded by a foreign force. I think it is fair to say they will not fight to the death. A strong and robust response from law enforcement and federal troops would most likely subdue these protests quite quickly and easily. It seems to be working quite well in Belarus where the protesters have become significantly subdued after Putin made clear he was putting together a special force to intervene if it should become necessary.

 

That is how you deal with such protests. If you just let them run, like the Democrat mayors, you just have to look at recent history and the collapse of the Soviet empire where when the states did not intervene the states collapsed. 

 

So yes, I do think more soldiers on the streets would quickly dispose of the genie the left has unleashed on the US.

 

Yes, America is the land of the free, but when that freedom is abused and morphs into violent and wanton destruction, when it is abused, as the left BLM people have abused it, then a corrective measure is needed.

 

Yes, there is discrimination in the US, there is racism. The fact that this racism persists after hundreds of years, despite riots which we saw back in 1863 already, shows that riots certainly are not the answer. Many presidents have done things to improve the position of blacks, from legislation that made mortgages more accessible to blacks to laws that prevent job discrimination, in fact the average salary of blacks has gone up for many decades. Interestingly when they loot now they don't loot for food but for luxury Gucci gear.

 

I think it would be naive to expect one president to end racism. And it would be naive to buy this BLM agenda that blacks are terribly disadvantaged in the US. A cursory look at the statistics shows this is not true. More whites than blacks are killed by police. There are plenty of black millionaires and middle class in America. This is not an issue of blacks being disadvantaged. This is an issue of law and order. 

 

For almost 200 years the race riots have not gone away. For the last 50 years blacks have consistently committed 53% of homicides with only 13% of the population. It's no wonder that police are terrified on the streets. There is much to fear. Look at black on black crime  in Chicago.

 

Maybe in the 1930s it was possible to argue this was caused by economic disadvantages for blacks. This is not the case now. It has gone on for too long, and the economic situation of blacks is too good for this kind of argument.

 

What we can see is great criminality. Violent protests. The state has every right to fight back now.

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by Logosone

[candide]

6 hours ago, fangless said:

If people could actually believe anything that Trump says there would be no need to spend all that time on “fact checks”.

That's the new Trumpers defence line. They don't claim any more that Trump is not lying, they complain he is fact-checked! ????