Biden condemns Portland violence, says Trump 'recklessly encouraging' it

[RoadWarrior371]

7 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

He tweets several times a week, "liberate <insert city here>". That is inciting people to go out and clash with protesters.

Still waiting for an intelligent response.  The looting and rioting started immediately after the Floyd incident.  That is the violence I am talking about, the 1000's of businesses burned and looted.  Not the 2 cases where individuals of different opinions squared off.  That happens every day.

[tribalfusion001]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Sounds like some sort of INFOWARS narrative. Europeans couldn't care less about the US.

They might not care about the USA, but a lot of conspiracy theories seem to revolve around Trump being the saviour. I like to read comments on YouTube and UK online newspapers.

[Snackbar]

Pathetic, laughable

[Tug]

34 minutes ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

 

What exactly did Trump do to incite the riots?  I'll make it simple for you, use the George Floyd incident.  Now what did Trump do there to incite the unrest?  Or are you taking your lead from the unwashed protesters and looking to place blame where-ever you can?

Sure that one is easy peasy when mr Floyd handcuffed feet and hands was murdered by the police in broad daylight on video with passerby begging for the cops to let up old trump couldn’t bring himself to condemn it as he was to busy defending confederats thereby exaberating tensions and anger that’s just starters bottom line he’s the wrong guy to be potus and why the unwashed comment?when he sent in the unmarked cameo guys to beat up the mommies in Portland are you saying the mommies were un washed?or how about the vets the day after?were they unwashed also naaaa the guys inciting this because he thinks it works to his advantage no more no less he is what he is

[Emdog]

2 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

C'mon Biden, take ownership for your party's own civil unrest.  We have Democrats on record inciting unrest, you can't spin this one fool.

Perhaps he can spin other fools? You might want to insert a comma, but not sure of your intent.

"you can't spin this one fool". Implies he can't spin you and you identify as a fool.

"you can't spin this one, fool." suggests he can't spin the story and you think he is a fool.

Along the lines of "Let's eat grandma" v "Let's eat, grandma"

I'm from Portland. Clackamas Center (location caravan began) is where we had a mass gun shooting some years ago.

Just too many guns in the wrong hands. I don't mind guns in right hands. Have many responsible gun owner friends in Oregon

[Peterw42]

11 minutes ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Still waiting for an intelligent response.  The looting and rioting started immediately after the Floyd incident.  That is the violence I am talking about, the 1000's of businesses burned and looted.  Not the 2 cases where individuals of different opinions squared off.  That happens every day.

I dont in any way condone the looting etc but the initial looting and riots were in response to Racism, not politics.

Trump, fox news etc are the ones attributing the violence to the left. He made it political for his own gain.

Once its seen as political and attributed to one side of politics, its very easy for a right wing nutter to start smashing windows, knowing who trump/fox and the trump followers will blame.

He is creating and feeding the violence so he can put himself up as the great savior.

If you cant see that, you are drinking the Kool-aid.

[RoadWarrior371]

2 minutes ago, Tug said:

Sure that one is easy peasy when mr Floyd handcuffed feet and hands was murdered by the police in broad daylight on video with passerby begging for the cops to let up old trump couldn’t bring himself to condemn it

Actually, more unarmed white people are killed by cops than blacks each year.  Trump did NOT comment nor condemn any of those cases either.  So you are saying that Trump's silence in this one case is 'inciting'.  Thanks for some insight into the leftist warped mind, you may want to stop while you are behind.

[watso63]

Well, at least the choice is clear. Law and order or more looting and violence.

[Peterw42]

3 minutes ago, watso63 said:

Well, at least the choice is clear. Law and order or more looting and violence.

Have some more Kool-aid.

You appear to have swallowed the narrative, hook, line and sinker.

Any protester is the radical left and Trump is your savior. right ????

Edited August 31, 2020 by Peterw42

[Scott]

Inflammatory, troll post removed.  

 

[watso63]

Just now, Peterw42 said:

Have some more Kool-aid.

Kool-aid? I know what violence, theft, burning building's and rioting looks like. The USA has a justice system that holds wrong doing to account. OK, it's not perfect and needs reform but burning down building's and looting from business owner's isn't the way to achieve this. It just sows the seeds of resentment, hatred, fear and polarisation. Any future leader should join together and condemn this behaviour, not blame each other for political gain.

[Thailand]

Not a new tactic but It's not beyond Trump and his cohorts to be actively sending agitators in to stoke the flames of the hotspots.

[Peterw42]

5 minutes ago, watso63 said:

Kool-aid? I know what violence, theft, burning building's and rioting looks like. The USA has a justice system that holds wrong doing to account. OK, it's not perfect and needs reform but burning down building's and looting from business owner's isn't the way to achieve this. It just sows the seeds of resentment, hatred, fear and polarisation. Any future leader should join together and condemn this behaviour, not blame each other for political gain.

I couldn't agree more but when trump stands up and attributes any and all violence to the "radical left", that is not leadership, its inciting hatred and fear for political gain.

[Scott]

Troll posts removed. 

 

[watso63]

1 minute ago, Peterw42 said:

I couldn't agree more but when trump stands up and attributes any and all violence to the "radical left", that is not leadership, its inciting hatred and fear for political gain.

Maybe you're right, nothing radical about it, all been done before in many countries around the world and extreme politics on the left or right always ends in death and destruction.

[2 is 1]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Luckily in Europe there are not too many QAnon or Trump believers.

Sorry to say but you are wrong! Even in my coundry Finland has really many(TOO MANY). People who have extreme rightism mind like him! They don't like value's what normal peaceloving people adore! They want hurth every human who look or act different way. They hate people from backround, skincolor etc. And most they hate are immigrant's! They don't believe global warmening (say its fake new's just like they role model) they dont believe equality, or nothing what normaly make people decent and good!

[Sujo]

44 minutes ago, watso63 said:

Well, at least the choice is clear. Law and order or more looting and violence.

Agree its very clear.

 

Looting and violence is under trump.

Law and order under biden.

[Isaan sailor]

C’mon, man.  Only 88 days of violence, before Biden recognizes it.  And we all know why he waited.  Antifa and BLM, as well as CCP, have been key supporters all along.

[loong]

57 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

I dont in any way condone the looting etc but the initial looting and riots were in response to Racism, not politics.

Trump, fox news etc are the ones attributing the violence to the left. He made it political for his own gain.

Once its seen as political and attributed to one side of politics, its very easy for a right wing nutter to start smashing windows, knowing who trump/fox and the trump followers will blame.

He is creating and feeding the violence so he can put himself up as the great savior.

If you cant see that, you are drinking the Kool-aid.

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I dont in any way condone the looting etc but the initial looting and riots were in response to Racism, not politics.

Actually, the initial looting and violence were in response to a black person being killed by law enforcement officers. I have not seen a shred of evidence that suggests that racism was the reason for the death.

If a black person is killed by a white person, that does not automatically make it racist as so many people seem to think.

[loong]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Sure that one is easy peasy when mr Floyd handcuffed feet and hands was murdered by the police in broad daylight on video with passerby begging for the cops to let up old trump couldn’t bring himself to condemn it as he was to busy defending confederats thereby exaberating tensions and anger that’s just starters bottom line he’s the wrong guy to be potus and why the unwashed comment?when he sent in the unmarked cameo guys to beat up the mommies in Portland are you saying the mommies were un washed?or how about the vets the day after?were they unwashed also naaaa the guys inciting this because he thinks it works to his advantage no more no less he is what he is

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handcuffed feet and hands

I didn't see any handcuffs on his feet in the bodycam videos that I have watched.

[Logosone]

Racism = Trump's fault

 

Police kill suspect = Trump's fault

 

Riots in Portland = Trump's fault.

 

Nothing to do of course with the fact that Portland has the most active ANTIFA cell in the USA.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa

[Scott]

Off-topic post and replies removed.

 

[RoadWarrior371]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Sure that one is easy peasy

when he sent in the unmarked cameo guys to beat up the mommies in Portland are you saying the mommies were un washed?

 

C'mon man, stop trollin' us.  You are literally cracking me up.  Nobody is dumb enough to believe that drivel.  Are you a comedian?

[Peterw42]

12 minutes ago, loong said:

Actually, the initial looting and violence were in response to a black person being killed by law enforcement officers. I have not seen a shred of evidence that suggests that racism was the reason for the death.

If a black person is killed by a white person, that does not automatically make it racist as so many people seem to think.

If one race is dying at a greater percentage than another race, during arrests or. custody, is that not an indication that race is being treated differently, ie: racism.

[Logosone]

2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

If one race is dying at a greater percentage than another race, during arrests or. custody, is that not an indication that race is being treated differently, ie: racism.

No, not if that race is responsible for 53% of homicides with 13% of population and therefore has far more encounters with police.

 

It's actually only to be expected statistically.

 

"According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Robbery

 

So no words on that racism then Peter?

Edited August 31, 2020 by Logosone

[Peterw42]

6 minutes ago, Logosone said:

No, not if that race is responsible for 53% of homicides with 13% of population and therefore has far more encounters with police.

 

It's actually only to be expected statistically.

 

"According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Robbery

 

So no words on that racism then Peter?

It doesnt matter that one race commits more crime than another race, it the "percentage " that die during an arrest. Arrest 100 of one race and 3 people die, arrest 100 of another race and 10 people die. That is nothing to do with how much crime, its to do with surviving an arrest due to race.

[Sujo]

Black man walks to car, shot 7 times.

 

white man shoots 3, kills 2, walks down road with gun and cant even surrender himself as police drive past him. So he goes home.

 

yes, racism.

[geriatrickid]

Mr. Biden's message was pretty clear: People should stop behaving violently and being jerks. It applies to everyone.   The violence will only result in more death, destruction and despair.

Surely, Americans can do better than attacking and killing each other.

[Logosone]

8 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

It doesnt matter that one race commits more crime than another race, it the "percentage " that die during an arrest. Arrest 100 of one race and 3 people die, arrest 100 of another race and 10 people die. That is nothing to do with how much crime, its to do with surviving an arrest due to race.

No Peter, you are wrong, it does actually matter if one race commits a lot more crime, because as you will no doubt understand the race that commits more crime will have far more encounters with police.

 

Therefore purely statistically speaking the likelihood of the race which engages in crime more often having fatal encounters with police is significantly higher, if that race has a significantly higher percentage of encounters with police.

 

How can you say it does not matter if one race with 13% of the population has 53% of homicides in its ledger? That shows very clearly that this particular race has a far greater propensity towards violent crime. Therefore more encounters with police, so that is extremely relevant to the statistics you referred to.

Edited August 31, 2020 by Logosone

[Tug]

1 hour ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Actually, more unarmed white people are killed by cops than blacks each year.  Trump did NOT comment nor condemn any of those cases either.  So you are saying that Trump's silence in this one case is 'inciting'.  Thanks for some insight into the leftist warped mind, you may want to stop while you are behind.

You don’t know me so I would advise you not to assume to much but you would be correct to assume I think trump and his brand of division and corruption are the greatest threat to our democracy my country has faced he does nothing to unite everything to divide as long as it is to his advantage he is what he is