Biden condemns Portland violence, says Trump 'recklessly encouraging' it

[kingdong]

23 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Driving a caravan of supporters into a city to counter demo is incitement and even more so when they were pepper spraying and paint balling them. Feels like the USA is falling apart, plenty of gun nuts ready to take action too.

so if you have a protest its not ok to have a counter protest?

[kingdong]

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I see you are on your ANTIFA soap box again.

 

ANTIFA Anti Fascists, count me in.

 

 

count you in for what exactly?

[Pattaya Spotter]

Isn't it his own running mate, Kamala Harris, who is encouraging more "protests"?

 

Kamala Harris says she stands with protesters on racial equality

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-kenosha-protests-racial-equality-trump-covid-pandemic/#app

[EVENKEEL]

49 minutes ago, simple1 said:

trump claims he's the law and order president, he owns the resolution, not constantly blaming others for his failures, which BTW a big contributor would be his divisiveness since he came to power. Ever since trump was on the campaign trial for the 2016 elections, trump has encouraged anger and violence by his supporters.

 

Did you see the clanger below from one of his senior people? No wonder trump doesn't condemn the current violence by his supporters, he actually tries to justify their actions.

 

“The more chaos and anarchy and vandalism and violence reigns, the better it is for the very clear choice on who’s best on public safety and law and order.”

Has nothing to do with what I replied to.

[Logosone]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

https://www.seattleweekly.com/news/the-new-anarchists/

A very old article from 2006, but instructive about what the anarchists want:

 

"“Upon the utter destruction of wage-labor and the commodity, a new life will be situated and redefined, by the moment, in countless, unimagined forms. Launched by the abolition of every trace of authority . . . concepts like ‘economy,’ ‘exchange,’ [and] ‘production’ will have no meaning. (What is worth preserving from this lunatic order?)”"

 

Total destruction is what the anarchists want and nothing from the current order we all live in, economy, production, is to be preserved. 

 

The anarchists' fantasies are a bit like serial killer fantasies for which the perpetrators, in both cases, do anything to make them come true. Indeed the line is blurry, see Ted Kaczinsky the mad anarchist killer who wanted to destroy technology and who was a close friend of John Zerzan the anarchist ideologue.

 

Note how above the abolition of authority is a direct precursor to the widely propagated demand that police be defunded. Defunding the police is directly out of the anarchist fantasy book.

 

That article makes horrible reading, to see how the anarchists, through low level violence like destruction managed to drive cafes they did not like out of business in their area.

 

The people who are actually encouraging the violence most of all, contrary to Biden's cheap and clumsy propaganda attempts, are in fact the anarchists and their supporters. However, the anarchists are cowards at heart, which is why they make sure to stay hidden and keep their identities secret. But the truth is out now.

[Morch]

 

@Logosone

 

You mention the Anarchists' fantasies. How about your own? Particularly regarding these anarchists being anywhere near achieving their goals, mustering general support or even having a semblance of united purpose (sort of the anathema of anarchy, there).

 

And before you got on yet another false tirade about condoning violence, denying violence and the rest of the made up allegations - the point, which you continue to ignore, is the mismatch between the bogeymen and the actual threat. One reading your scaremongering posts might imagine the USA is facing imminent total collapse, or that like does pretty much go on as usual in most places.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Isn't it his own running mate, Kamala Harris, who is encouraging more "protests"?

 

Kamala Harris says she stands with protesters on racial equality

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-kenosha-protests-racial-equality-trump-covid-pandemic/#app

 

Protests. Not violence. Not violent protests. Last I checked, the first was legit. I get the importance, for Trump supporters, of lumping it all together, but still.

[Chomper Higgot]

29 minutes ago, Logosone said:

A very old article from 2006, but instructive about what the anarchists want:

 

"“Upon the utter destruction of wage-labor and the commodity, a new life will be situated and redefined, by the moment, in countless, unimagined forms. Launched by the abolition of every trace of authority . . . concepts like ‘economy,’ ‘exchange,’ [and] ‘production’ will have no meaning. (What is worth preserving from this lunatic order?)”"

 

Total destruction is what the anarchists want and nothing from the current order we all live in, economy, production, is to be preserved. 

 

The anarchists' fantasies are a bit like serial killer fantasies for which the perpetrators, in both cases, do anything to make them come true. Indeed the line is blurry, see Ted Kaczinsky the mad anarchist killer who wanted to destroy technology and who was a close friend of John Zerzan the anarchist ideologue.

 

Note how above the abolition of authority is a direct precursor to the widely propagated demand that police be defunded. Defunding the police is directly out of the anarchist fantasy book.

 

That article makes horrible reading, to see how the anarchists, through low level violence like destruction managed to drive cafes they did not like out of business in their area.

 

The people who are actually encouraging the violence most of all, contrary to Biden's cheap and clumsy propaganda attempts, are in fact the anarchists and their supporters. However, the anarchists are cowards at heart, which is why they make sure to stay hidden and keep their identities secret. But the truth is out now.

You clearly know nothing about US politics.

 

I suggest you read up on who it is who wants to demolish the institutions of government.

 

As for the ‘utter destruction of wage labor’, you need to open your eyes.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

32 minutes ago, Logosone said:

However, the anarchists are cowards at heart, which is why they make sure to stay hidden and keep their identities secret. But the truth is out now.

So you’ve got some magical powers that enable you to know who these people are despite them being so well hidden and their identities being kept secret.

 

‘The truth is out’ and you personally know this truth.

 

Alternatively, you’ve willingly fallen for the ‘Bogyman’ nonsense.

 

Over 183,000 Americans are dead as a direct result of Trump’s failure to manage the COVID-19 threat, he and his supporters desperately needs a distraction, ‘Anarchists’ and ‘ANTIFA’ will do nicely.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

3 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Isn't it his own running mate, Kamala Harris, who is encouraging more "protests"?

 

Kamala Harris says she stands with protesters on racial equality

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-kenosha-protests-racial-equality-trump-covid-pandemic/#app

Perhaps these words from a wise statesman will add to your comprehension of a rather simple subject and help you understand what Kamala Harris was saying.

 

“Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting, it’s lawlessness plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted.”

[ipockeyHUCK]

15 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Perhaps these words from a wise statesman will add to your comprehension of a rather simple subject and help you understand what Kamala Harris was saying.

 

“Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting, it’s lawlessness plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted.”

If Joe Biden is what Kamala Harris documented him to be she is the most corrupt, venal, disgrace to US citizenship, womanhood and humanity ever to be running for elective office in the US. That is saying something with what is currently on scene in congress and Hillary. If he is not she is the most venal liar, victim-hood faker and sycophantic slob in US politics. Either way she is plowing new ground and Willy Brown should receive the 2020 Al Sharpton/Don Lemon mentoring/canard prize.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, ipockeyHUCK said:

If Joe Biden is what Kamala Harris documented him to be she is the most corrupt, venal, disgrace to US citizenship, womanhood and humanity ever to be running for elective office in the US. That is saying something with what is currently on scene in congress and Hillary. If he is not she is the most venal liar, victim-hood faker and sycophantic slob in US politics. Either way she is plowing new ground and Willy Brown should receive the 2020 Al Sharpton/Don Lemon mentoring/canard prize.

 

Another over the top, fact light rant by a Trump supporter. Guess we'll see a whole lot of these in the coming months. Seriously, "the most..."? Just a couple of months ago both were labeled by Trump supporters as essentially empty spaces. Guess the talking point list was updated.

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, ipockeyHUCK said:

If Joe Biden is what Kamala Harris documented him to be she is the most corrupt, venal, disgrace to US citizenship, womanhood and humanity ever to be running for elective office in the US. That is saying something with what is currently on scene in congress and Hillary. If he is not she is the most venal liar, victim-hood faker and sycophantic slob in US politics. Either way she is plowing new ground and Willy Brown should receive the 2020 Al Sharpton/Don Lemon mentoring/canard prize.

She got you under her skin huh. Show some respect; she may well be the next POTUS and Willy Brown the First Sir. Pace yourself for that eventuality. Don't want something bad happen to an eloquent man.   

[polpott]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

A very old article from 2006, but instructive about what the anarchists want:

 

"“Upon the utter destruction of wage-labor and the commodity, a new life will be situated and redefined, by the moment, in countless, unimagined forms. Launched by the abolition of every trace of authority . . . concepts like ‘economy,’ ‘exchange,’ [and] ‘production’ will have no meaning. (What is worth preserving from this lunatic order?)”"

 

Total destruction is what the anarchists want and nothing from the current order we all live in, economy, production, is to be preserved. 

 

The anarchists' fantasies are a bit like serial killer fantasies for which the perpetrators, in both cases, do anything to make them come true. Indeed the line is blurry, see Ted Kaczinsky the mad anarchist killer who wanted to destroy technology and who was a close friend of John Zerzan the anarchist ideologue.

 

Note how above the abolition of authority is a direct precursor to the widely propagated demand that police be defunded. Defunding the police is directly out of the anarchist fantasy book.

 

That article makes horrible reading, to see how the anarchists, through low level violence like destruction managed to drive cafes they did not like out of business in their area.

 

The people who are actually encouraging the violence most of all, contrary to Biden's cheap and clumsy propaganda attempts, are in fact the anarchists and their supporters. However, the anarchists are cowards at heart, which is why they make sure to stay hidden and keep their identities secret. But the truth is out now.

 

Have you ever met an Anarchist? Clearly not. Biggest load of tosh I've ever read.

 

Why not quote your source? Qanon I presume.

 

 

[ipockeyHUCK]

55 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Another over the top, fact light rant by a Trump supporter. Guess we'll see a whole lot of these in the coming months. Seriously, "the most..."? Just a couple of months ago both were labeled by Trump supporters as essentially empty spaces. Guess the talking point list was updated.

In November the American people will be grudgingly permitted to vote for either a 70(+) year old Republican who is exceeding his authority or a 70 (+) year old Democrat who can't remember what day it is. One is actually expected to die on office. Just before the election one will emerge from a bunker, the other from a basement. Time to consider drinking.

[Sujo]

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

so if you have a protest its not ok to have a counter protest?

It is usual for counter protesters to be kept apart in a different area so there is no conflict between the two.

[geriatrickid]

8 minutes ago, ipockeyHUCK said:

In November the American people will be grudgingly permitted to vote for either a 70(+) year old Republican who is exceeding his authority or a 70 (+) year old Democrat who can't remember what day it is. One is actually expected to die on office. Just before the election one will emerge from a bunker, the other from a basement. Time to consider drinking.

The USA will do just fine. Americans still know right from wrong and do have an inner sense of knowing what they must do to save their country from the grip of evil and despair.

 

The USA has gone through phases: In 1926, 30,000 KKK members marched through the streets of Washington DC with much fanfare. Today, a KKK rally is luck enough to draw 20-50 pathetic supporters.  In the late 1930's and early 1940's when the German American Bund was very popular, they crammed 20,000 into Madison Square Garden to hear Bundsfuhrer Fritz Kuhn insult President Franklin D. Roosevelt calling him Frank D. Rosenfeld and renaming the  New Deal, the "Jew Deal".  A few years later, Americans of German heritage were volunteering for service in Europe and gladly sharing some of their German American friendliness with the old homeland. It took awhile for Americans to understand the  importance of the voting rights act, and today a majority of Americans will not accept the  disenfranchisement of other Americans. Nor will younger Americans accept systemic racism and injustice.  

 

Whatever Biden's faults are, he is a genuinely decent and caring man. Americans understand that. They will do the right thing in November. Time is on Biden's side. As each week passes, thousands more Americans die because of Trumps mismanagement of the Covid19 pandemic, and it drives the point home, change is needed.

 

I anticipate that alot of republicans in the Senate and the House will be looking for new jobs next january.

All I can say, is please hang in there Judge Ginsburg.

[simple1]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Has nothing to do with what I replied to.

So what were you trying to say?

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

So what were you trying to say?

Really? This has zero to do with you.

[polpott]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Really? This has zero to do with you.

Good answer @simple1 has an annoying habit of calling posters out when they post BS. Ignore him and keep posting BS, you don't have to justify your BS to anyone. It gives us all a good laugh.

 

 

[simple1]

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[Logosone]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

@Logosone

 

You mention the Anarchists' fantasies. How about your own? Particularly regarding these anarchists being anywhere near achieving their goals, mustering general support or even having a semblance of united purpose (sort of the anathema of anarchy, there).

 

And before you got on yet another false tirade about condoning violence, denying violence and the rest of the made up allegations - the point, which you continue to ignore, is the mismatch between the bogeymen and the actual threat. One reading your scaremongering posts might imagine the USA is facing imminent total collapse, or that like does pretty much go on as usual in most places.

Well, it's very flattering you concern yourself with my fantasies, but that's probably too much for you to handle, how about we confine ourselves to the facts, namely the anarchist fantasies that have been published, documented, and that are causing such violence in Portland and all across the US?

 

John Zerzan, the anarcho-primitivist, who is one of the key ideologues of the anarchist scene in and around Portland, is on record as saying he believes language is part of the problem because it "fractures a holistic world into isolated fragments" and would prefer if humanity gave up human speech and communicated via telepathy. I'm not making this up, research it, this is what the anarchist ideologue in chief believes in. But it gets better.

 

Zerzan himself admits that anarchist groups are dangerous. He said "violent groups like ITS have already killed two people. So yeah, they’re for real." But not to worry,  when the anarchist destroy all of society and all of technology (the ludicrous arrogance of these people) Zerzan knows how we can cope with the aftermath: "That’s the number one question. How are we going to live? We're so de-skilled, how do we re-skill? Even something as far back as making stone tools, knowing what plants are edible. I mean, how anxious will you be to pull down civilization if you don’t know how to live without it? So, we have to start getting those skills." So we just have to get the skills on how to make stone tools and what plants to eat. Problem solved. Lol.

 

I mean the craziness of the anarchists just goes on and on. Even if mad Ted Kaczynski is in jail for murder there are many anarchist groups out there who are murdering people, as even Zerzan himself concedes.

 

Not that we need him to tell us, when government agencies list over 90 anarchist crimes in 45 days in Portland, when the whole of the US is blanketed by anarchist violence, and when demands like defunding the police, which comes right out of the anti-authority destroy-society fantasy book of the anarchists has now permeated the Democrat mainstream and is approved by a Democrat city council held hostage by BLM anarchists effectively.

 

If you seriously think anarchism is not a threat, you may want to explain why the FBI keeps a close watch on anarchist groups?

 

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2010/november/anarchist_111610/anarchist_111610

 

Of course they don't even list the new groups like ITS:

 

ITS posted its manisfesto to anarchist blog Liberacion Total taking credit for a failed bombing attempt  against a researcher at the Biotechnology Institute at the National Autonomous University of Mexico.....Technology should be destroyed; humans should revert to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

 

https://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/individualidades-tendiendo-lo-salvaje-its

 

We have seen the use of violence, intimidation by the left and the anarchists, and you can make all the apologist claims you want but the anarchists in the US are a real threat, and the anarchists on the border of the US from Mexico are a real threat. They are in every country, not just Europe and the US.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

10 minutes ago, polpott said:

Good answer @simple1 has an annoying habit of calling posters out when they post BS. Ignore him and keep posting BS, you don't have to justify your BS to anyone. It gives us all a good laugh.

 

 

I love the ignore feature, bye-bye.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Well, it's very flattering you concern yourself with my fantasies, but that's probably too much for you to handle, how about we confine ourselves to the facts, namely the anarchist fantasies that have been published, documented, and that are causing such violence in Portland and all across the US?

 

John Zerzan, the anarcho-primitivist, who is one of the key ideologues of the anarchist scene in and around Portland, is on record as saying he believes language is part of the problem because it "fractures a holistic world into isolated fragments" and would prefer if humanity gave up human speech and communicated via telepathy. I'm not making this up, research it, this is what the anarchist ideologue in chief believes in. But it gets better.

 

Zerzan himself admits that anarchist groups are dangerous. He said "violent groups like ITS have already killed two people. So yeah, they’re for real." But not to worry,  when the anarchist destroy all of society and all of technology (the ludicrous arrogance of these people) Zerzan knows how we can cope with the aftermath: "That’s the number one question. How are we going to live? We're so de-skilled, how do we re-skill? Even something as far back as making stone tools, knowing what plants are edible. I mean, how anxious will you be to pull down civilization if you don’t know how to live without it? So, we have to start getting those skills." So we just have to get the skills on how to make stone tools and what plants to eat. Problem solved. Lol.

 

I mean the craziness of the anarchists just goes on and on. Even if mad Ted Kaczynski is in jail for murder there are many anarchist groups out there who are murdering people, as even Zerzan himself concedes.

 

Not that we need him to tell us, when government agencies list over 90 anarchist crimes in 45 days in Portland, when the whole of the US is blanketed by anarchist violence, and when demands like defunding the police, which comes right out of the anti-authority destroy-society fantasy book of the anarchists has now permeated the Democrat mainstream and is approved by a Democrat city council held hostage by BLM anarchists effectively.

 

If you seriously think anarchism is not a threat, you may want to explain why the FBI keeps a close watch on anarchist groups?

 

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2010/november/anarchist_111610/anarchist_111610

 

Of course they don't even list the new groups like ITS:

 

ITS posted its manisfesto to anarchist blog Liberacion Total taking credit for a failed bombing attempt  against a researcher at the Biotechnology Institute at the National Autonomous University of Mexico.....Technology should be destroyed; humans should revert to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

 

https://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/individualidades-tendiendo-lo-salvaje-its

 

We have seen the use of violence, intimidation by the left and the anarchists, and you can make all the apologist claims you want but the anarchists in the US are a real threat, and the anarchists on the border of the US from Mexico are a real threat. They are in every country, not just Europe and the US.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Over 183,000 Americans killed by a virus that Trump denied was a threat, failed to deal with and about which Trump actively engaged in misinformation mongering and you say the real threat is the ‘anarchists’.

 

It gets more risible:

 

To support your claim that these ‘anarchists’ you obsess over are a real threat you cite reports of some nut job called John Zerzan who you tell us is a ‘key ideologue’ of your anarchist bogeymen and ... get this... he proposes getting rid of language and communicating by telepathy.

 

Quite frankly I find it baffling how you can see such a clear nut job as any kind of a threat, much less expect the rest of us the swallow the hogwash that such a fruitcake could do any harm to the most powerful nation on earth.

 

 

 

 

[Morch]

 

@Logosone

 

As expected, you can't actually support your claims so you come up with new nonsense deflections. With all due respect to your imagination - the links provided do not actually indicate or portray anarchists as a major national threat. That is your opinion - which was fine if you acknowledge it as such, less so when trying to state is as fact and attempting to co-opt various semi-relevant sources.

 

For all the drivel about this or that "ideologue" or anarchist groups here and there, you still haven't, in any of the topics discussed, demonstrated that these anarchists are quite the threat you claim.

 

As for the continued, disingenuous and misleading referenced to the number of incidents cited - maybe care to comment on the fact that many (if not most) are small stuff (graffiti, breaking windows) and not something that's about to bring the USA to its knees.

 

There was nothing offered as an apology. I did not express support for Antifa and the like, or their choice to embrace violence. Making such bogus claims is apparently your way of dodging the actual point - the gap between your scaremongering fantasies and what's actually out there.

[BobBKK]

On 8/31/2020 at 12:01 PM, Sujo said:

Dems have denounced the violence.

Trump has the authority to fix it but refuses to do so. He even calls the far right vigilantes great patriots.

 

As usual, he creates chaos, blames everyone else. If he cannot fix it then voting for him will not fix it, why is he saying this is what it will be like under biden when this is what it is under trump.

 

This is trumps america, maga.

Dems control those cities - simple

[Scott]

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[geriatrickid]

18 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Dems control those cities - simple

indeed. And Republicans are also  in power in  cities where violent crime has exploded. Fort Worth and Miami are notable mentions. It isn't a  delight in Oklahoma city, Fresno, El Paso, Colorado Springs  and a whole lot of other Republican cities too.  Unlike you, I recognize that it is not as simple as  "blaming" a mayor of a city for violent crime.  In fact, it is  dishonest.

 

You cannot deny that  large cities are the dumping grounds for the problems of  the suburbs and outlying regions. Where do these places dump their poor and mentally ill? it is usually a big city. Where are the resources based to help these people? Usually in the big cities.  It is an accepted fact of life that big cities are home to high density groups of the impoverished. Of course there are going to be bigger problems in  areas where marginalized and mentally infirm people are  packed.  Miami is one of the most stressful cities for its poorer residents. Many have to work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet. traffic is bad, living conditions can be harsh. Is it any wonder why violent crimes peak during the  sticky weather days? Should one blame the   Republican mayor of Miami for that? using your logic, we should.

[Tippaporn]

Folks, this is too funny.  Couldn't happen to a nicer tool.  This guy is about as sharp as a ball bearing.

 

The Federalist - Portland Protestors Occupy Mayor Ted Wheeler’s Apartment Building Demanding His Resignation

 

A group of activist protesters organized a sit-in at Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler’s apartment building on Friday, demanding that he “reduce the Portland Police Bureau budget, commit to never voting for police budget increases again, and resign.”

The demand letter also commands Wheeler, who it labels as a “true embodiment of white supremacy” to “complete abolition of the Portland Police Bureau by 2022, with no private or technological replacement” and redirect the money from the PPB into social programs.

 

And Ted's closing statement in his letter to Trump:

 

In Portland, we are focused on coming together as a community to solve the serious challenges we face due to systemic racism, a global pandemic and an economic recession.

 

When do the Feds roll in?

 

[Eric Loh]

22 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Folks, this is too funny.  Couldn't happen to a nicer tool.  This guy is about a sharp as a ball bearing.

 

The Federalist - Portland Protestors Occupy Mayor Ted Wheeler’s Apartment Building Demanding His Resignation

 

A group of activist protesters organized a sit-in at Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler’s apartment building on Friday, demanding that he “reduce the Portland Police Bureau budget, commit to never voting for police budget increases again, and resign.”

The demand letter also commands Wheeler, who it labels as a “true embodiment of white supremacy” to “complete abolition of the Portland Police Bureau by 2022, with no private or technological replacement” and redirect the money from the PPB into social programs.

 

And Ted's closing statement in his letter to Trump:

 

In Portland, we are focused on coming together as a community to solve the serious challenges we face due to systemic racism, a global pandemic and an economic recession.

 

When do the Feds roll in?

Why funny. People are free to express their opinion and Dem mayor not excluded. Mayor Ted responded in a manner befitting a people's representative and not allowing Trump to turn Portland into a political prop.