Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, saying his life was likely in danger

[stevenl]

36 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Reclaim the streets , defend our cities and property 

Which is not up to civilians. Let alone 17 years olds.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

Reclaim the streets , defend our cities and property 

 

I agree... reclaim and defend them from the armed white nationalist militias that have been invading U.S. cities with their assault rifles and such war weapons.

[CorpusChristie]

17 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I agree... reclaim and defend them from the armed white nationalist militias that have been invading U.S. cities with their assault rifles and such war weapons.

If the rioters and looters and arsonists would stop destroying the cities,  there would be no need for anyone to defend the cities .

  Are you an Antifa sympathizer ?

[Morch]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

He went to protect a car lot from being burned down , it may have been his family's or friends business 

 

It may have been.....but don't recall anything stated to this effect. Then again, it may have been covfefe.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

If the rioters and looters and arsonists would stop destroying the cities,  there would be no need for anyone to defend the cities .

  Are you an Antifa sympathizer ?

 

If you mean am I opposed to fascism and fascists and white nationalist extremists.... the answer would be yes. (Though I do not support crime, criminals or illegal conduct by any faction, including law enforcement).

 

The U.S. fought a world war to defeat fascists and fascism, white nationalism aka the so-called Aryan race...  I would think it's something most people who believe in what the U.S. stands for would feel the same about... anti-fascism / anti-fascists.  Pro-Democracy... pro-civil liberties.

 

 

Edited September 4, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[MajarTheLion]

10 hours ago, stevenl said:

Which is not up to civilians. Let alone 17 years olds.

If rioting to extort Americans into acquiescing to BLM and Antifa demands is OK, so is showing up to defend life and property from BLM and Antifa.

[MajarTheLion]

7 hours ago, Morch said:

 

It may have been.....but don't recall anything stated to this effect. Then again, it may have been covfefe.

No problem. I'm here to help. Here is a statement from Kyle Rittenhouse's attorneys.

 

"After Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters. Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence. The business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops."

 

The rest of the statement is at:

https://www.scribd.com/document/474027394/Pierce-Bainbridge-Statement-on-Kyle-Rittenhouse-8-28-20

Edited September 4, 2020 by MajarTheLion

[Credo]

2 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

No problem. I'm here to help. Here is a statement from Kyle Rittenhouse's attorneys.

 

"After Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters. Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence. The business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops."

 

The rest of the statement is at:

https://www.scribd.com/document/474027394/Pierce-Bainbridge-Statement-on-Kyle-Rittenhouse-8-28-20

Well, that sounds suspect.  Just who called who?   A car dealer calls this kid to protect his destroyed business?   Really?   I think there are more holes in this defense than a piece of Swiss Cheese.

 

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

If rioting to extort Americans into acquiescing to BLM and Antifa demands is OK, so is showing up to defend life and property from BLM and Antifa.

Don't imply that is what I said.

[simple1]

3 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

If rioting to extort Americans into acquiescing to BLM and Antifa demands is OK, so is showing up to defend life and property from BLM and Antifa.

I would expect a professional police force to reject / remove heavily armed vigilantes, not to welcome them as can easily escalate violent confrontation. It is counterintuitive for BLM and Antifa to riot / destroy property, indeed there are reports BLM members have pushed back against those who are intent on violent behaviour. Anita are focussed on countering right wing extremism, though do seem to be unsuccessful in the bigger picture - meeting violence with violence isn't go to resolve core problems. It seems it is taking US domestic intelligence agencies a very long time to publicly identify who the agitators and others are who are committed to violence.

 

From the outside looking in there are deep flaws within leadership of government, law enforcement, negotiation and de-escalation across the USA; one doesn't observe the level of disorder over months in the US in other Western societies. trump came to power in 2016 with one of his promises being to end society disorder, a task with which he has completely failed.

Edited September 5, 2020 by simple1

[Morch]

4 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

No problem. I'm here to help. Here is a statement from Kyle Rittenhouse's attorneys.

 

"After Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters. Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence. The business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops."

 

The rest of the statement is at:

https://www.scribd.com/document/474027394/Pierce-Bainbridge-Statement-on-Kyle-Rittenhouse-8-28-20

 

What you linked is the a statement from his lawyers. It's his courtroom version of what happened. It is not objective, nor necessarily correct or truthful. You knew all that when posting. Now, go back to my post and the post I replied to. The poster mused about family or friends. None of that even in the Swiss cheese of a defense you linked.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

If rioting to extort Americans into acquiescing to BLM and Antifa demands is OK, so is showing up to defend life and property from BLM and Antifa.

 

Other than you above, who said that rioting is ok? Not aware of any posters who expressed such views. The equivalency you try for is ridiculous anyway, as it's not up to a 17yo to take up arms and establish law and order.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

 

The rest of the statement is at:

https://www.scribd.com/document/474027394/Pierce-Bainbridge-Statement-on-Kyle-Rittenhouse-8-28-20

 

So naturally, he did what any red-blooded 17-year-old Wisconsin U.S. kid would do:

 

--went out and broke a legal curfew

--got an assault rifle he wasn't legally entitled to have or use

--traveled to another city to hang out with a white nationalist extremist and other armed militia

--fatally shot two people and seriously wounded a third

--ends up in jail facing homicide charges....

 

Well done!!!   

 

[Sujo]

17 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

If the rioters and looters and arsonists would stop destroying the cities,  there would be no need for anyone to defend the cities .

  Are you an Antifa sympathizer ?

what cities are destroyed?

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

No problem. I'm here to help. Here is a statement from Kyle Rittenhouse's attorneys.

 

This is the kind of thing Trump's rhetoric is igniting in the U.S.  From John Pierce, one of Rittenhouse's attorneys:

 

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“Kyle Rittenhouse will go down in American history alongside that brave unknown patriot at Lexington Green who fired ‘The Shot Heard Round the World’ on April 19, 1775,” Pierce wrote in a since-deleted tweet on Tuesday. “A Second American Revolution against Tyranny has begun.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-pierce-the-lawyer-raising-money-for-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-was-sued-for-unpaid-debts?ref=scroll

 

And as for Pierce himself:

 

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Pierce has extensive personal debts, according to a 2019 court filing made during his custody case. As of November 2019, Pierce claimed in those documents that he owed $850,000 to the IRS, along with an additional $200,000 in other taxes. In total, Pierce claimed to pay nearly $20,000 in monthly payments on various debts. 

 

There's a lot more in the article re Pierce and his extremist and financially questionable antics... But if I were to post quotes from those sections of the article, I'd probably get banned from the forum for repeating/reposting what this guy has allegedly said.

 

[Sujo]

20 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

He went to protect a car lot from being burned down , it may have been his family's or friends business 

And you want 4 more years of this.

[spidermike007]

Trump is a dangerous man. A divided. A hater. A quitter. He quits treaties. He quits organizations the US helped found. He quits major agreements with allies. He quits his own businesses, when they start losing money, which has happened with the vast majority of his enterprises. 

 

The Trump presidency is a wet dream for China. He is creating a leadership vacuum, they are only too willing to fulfill, and he is precipitating their rise as the pre-eminent world power. Just a matter of time. 

[JensenZ]

On 9/4/2020 at 4:10 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Not out illegally after curfew as a minor. Not carrying an illegal assault weapon as a minor.

 

No one's chasing him. No one's bothering him. He's not shooting and killing anyone.

 

He's safe at home with Mom, and protesters aren't dead.

 

That sounds like a much preferable scenario to me vs what actually occurred, because he went out wanting to pretend play policeman with his illegal rifle, and tagging along with his white nationalist armed militia buddy.

 

But what is the point of all this retrospective nonsense?

 

If his parents hadn't have met and he wasn't born, it also wouldn't have happened. Until time machines are invented, we'll just have to live in the moment.

 

 

[JensenZ]

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump is a dangerous man. A divided. A hater. A quitter. He quits treaties. He quits organizations the US helped found. He quits major agreements with allies. He quits his own businesses, when they start losing money, which has happened with the vast majority of his enterprises. 

 

The Trump presidency is a wet dream for China. He is creating a leadership vacuum, they are only too willing to fulfill, and he is precipitating their rise as the pre-eminent world power. Just a matter of time. 

Yeah, we heard this over and over during his impeachment trial. It was tiring, hearing this nonsense day after day - He's dangerous! He's dangerous! Nancy recites this mantra nearly everyday. The danger is on the other side, using Biden to sneak in Harris. It's pretty obvious he's not up the the task. Careful what you wish for. 

 

You should study up on what's actually going on in China. There's a power struggle there too. Many in the CCP are dissatisfied with Xi's leadership and it's starting to show signs of cracking. China has far too many of their own problems to become a pre-eminent world power.

[thaibreakfast]

 

50 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

But what is the point of all this retrospective nonsense?

 

If his parents hadn't have met and he wasn't born, it also wouldn't have happened. Until time machines are invented, we'll just have to live in the moment.

 

 

Well, you've managed to come up with an all purpose dismissal of personal responsibility. Let's call it the que sera sera defense.

[MajarTheLion]

18 hours ago, Sujo said:

And you want 4 more years of this.

No one wants four more years of Antifa and BLM rioting, looting and pillaging. Democrats own this 100%. Virtually all Democrat-led towns. A large majority Democrat-led states. Democrats refusing to reign in the violence and refusing help from the feds.

[Credo]

35 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

No one wants four more years of Antifa and BLM rioting, looting and pillaging. Democrats own this 100%. Virtually all Democrat-led towns. A large majority Democrat-led states. Democrats refusing to reign in the violence and refusing help from the feds.

In which case, it would be wise to dump Trump, since this happening under his watch.  The demonstrations will continue until the core issue is addressed and that is systemic racism and police abuse.   That's not going to happen under Trump.   He's made that clear.   

 

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.   Please stay on topic. 

 

[Ceruhe]

I like how we all have access to the same videos, ergo see the very same thing, but arrive at 2 polar opposite conclusions. How? Why? I dunno, but chances are by the time I turn 40 I probably have given up on my "...but I do think most people are inherently good and not calculating malicious dip<deleted>s on a daily basis" thoughts. I mean, I'd like to be proven wrong by then but the way it's going, eh.

[moose7117]

33 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Your nonsense about doubling taxes, and open borders is just that. The big difference between Obama and Trump immigration policy, is that Obama was very tough at the border. But, he also saw the wisdom in allowing the best and the brightest, from all over the world, to come and work in the US, and build the US economy. Anyone really willing to look at the facts, can see that Trump inherited some very strong economic policies and momentum, that Obama created. Then he started a ludicrous trade war with China, and allowed Covid into the US, denied it existed or was a problem for months, and sabotaged most of what he accomplished. He failed. Miserably. Time for him to go. Very soon now. 

 

Trump did exactly what he was supposed to do !

 

Let Covid run rampant, in reality it is mostly the elderly, inherently sick, unemployable and burdens on society that are dyeing.

 

So does it matter ? 

Society won't miss em.

[onthedarkside]

Numerous off-topic posts removed...

 

The topic of this thread is:

 

Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, saying his life was likely in danger

 

Not U.S. and Russian treaties.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Here's a good example of Trump's "domestic terrorists," and they are NOT black or BLM:

 

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Militia members face gun charges, alleged to have come to Kenosha 'to pick people off'

 

Two Missouri men affiliated with a militia group that celebrates Kyle Rittenhouse as a hero on social media are facing federal charges after a witness told law enforcement the men came to Kenosha to loot and “pick people off.”

 

Michael M. Karmo, 40, and Cody E. Smith, 33, both of Hartville, Mo., are facing federal charges of illegal possession of firearms after being arrested Tuesday at a hotel in Pleasant Prairie.

 

https://madison.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/militia-members-face-gun-charges-alleged-to-have-come-to-kenosha-to-pick-people-off/article_07ecb274-8ac0-5ba8-afe9-87f7cffd5c5e.html

 

And what helped draw all the militiamen to Kenosha?  According to the article, former Kenosha Alderman Kevin Mathewson had put out an online call for militias to come to Kenosha last week, posting as “commander” of the Kenosha Guard, a militia group he formed online. His post was shared by the alt-right website Infowars.

Edited September 6, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[MajarTheLion]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Here's a good example of Trump's "domestic terrorists," and they are NOT black or BLM:

 

 

 

And what helped draw all the militiamen to Kenosha?  According to the article -- Former Kenosha Alderman Kevin Mathewson had put out an online call for militias to come to Kenosha last week, posting as “commander” of the Kenosha Guard, a militia group he formed online. His post was shared by the alt-right website Infowars.

Prosecute them like any other criminals.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

In the case of Rittenhouse, it was illegal in Wisconsin for him to have an assault rifle because he was/is a minor.

 

In the case of these two dudes, even though they hadn't shot anyone YET, it was illegal for them to have rifles because they had past criminal convictions, according to the article.   And of course, they were/are Trump fans...

 

Armed with  body armor, tactical gear, an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun, a homemade silencer and two handguns plus ammunition, according to the article.

 

[johnray]

I agree with U.S. President Donald Trump.  He should go to a spot where someone died and look at it.