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1 hour ago, Tug said:

I can think of another group of people trump thinks are losers and suckers..............

You must be referring to the part of his base that aren't billionaires. It's so obvious that he has no respect for them. Just more marks in the career of a con man. 

13 hours ago, Credo said:

They check the credibility of those making the claim.   For example, were they there?  Did anyone else either hear or see what happened?   The author also has the names of the sources as does his editor.   They will check as much information surrounding the event as possible.   

In this case, you have 4 well-placed individuals who heard it.   

 

How do you know they are well placed?  

4 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

How do you know they are well placed?  

You have to trust Jeffrey Goldberg on that. Personally its no contest on the honesty of Jeffrey Goldberg vs. the liar in chief. 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You have to trust Jeffrey Goldberg on that. Personally its no contest on the honesty of Jeffrey Goldberg vs. the liar in chief. 

Agreed. The Draft-Dodger-In-Chief is so disgustingly nasty even his own wife won't touch him anymore! 

On 9/4/2020 at 6:20 PM, Stocky said:

Of course he's lying, his lips are moving.

... yes. he is the LOTUS = Liar Of The United States.

He deserves this title by more than 100%.

Rember the old parable trump used to like to quote about the lady who takes in the serpent and gets bit for her trust ............

Big shocker...NOT! Trump talks disparagingly about everyone and everything and always denies and lies about it. 

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And now Trump is trying to get Fox to fire their reporter who independently confirmed some of the story in the Atlantic.

1 hour ago, thaibreakfast said:

And now Trump is trying to get Fox to fire their reporter who independently confirmed some of the story in the Atlantic.

Some of the real reporters at Fox have come out in support of Jennifer Griffin....

 

[“Jennifer @JenGriffinFNC is a great reporter and a total class act,” chief political anchor Bret Baier wrote.]

[“Jennifer Griffin is the kind of reporter we all strive to be like,” said national correspondent Bryan Llenas. “She’s courageous, smart, ethical, fair and a class act. She’s earned the trust of viewers throughout a distinguished career and is credible.”]

[“@JenGriffinFNC is a terrific reporter and a wonderful colleague,” State Department correspondent Rich Edson wrote.]

[“I’ll forever stand by @JenGriffinFNC,” said senior news producer Rocco Aloe.]

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/jennifer-griffin-defended-by-fox-news-colleagues-after-trump-twitter-attack-over-her-confirmation-of-atlantic-reporting/

 

I think they're giving Trump the middle finger.

 

1 hour ago, thaibreakfast said:

And now Trump is trying to get Fox to fire their reporter who independently confirmed some of the story in the Atlantic.

Fox sidelined the issue as much as they could, and imo more than they should. Trump is now emphasizing it, and especially the Fox confirmation. That, together with the not done pressure on Fox, is imo not a smart move. He should have ignored the Fox confirmation, and simply do his usual denying, deflecting, doubling down.

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The military had his number well before the excellently researched and highly credible Atlantic Magazine article.

 

 

Very powerful from the heart testimony. Thanks.

On 9/5/2020 at 9:03 AM, Kelsall said:

Interesting timing.  Election in a matter of weeks.  ????

 

What's interesting is that you come out with this worn bit of drivel only when something unfavorable to Trump is up. Was it something unfavorable to Biden, you'd be all over it, and the timing would be perfect. Hypocrisy ain't a bad word, for some.

 

On 9/5/2020 at 9:05 AM, Mama Noodle said:

So trump talking chit gives the media a free pass to talk chit? 
 

Good to know. 

 

Good to know that you're able, to a degree at least, finding fault with something Trump does.

Now...Is the President beholden to lower standards than the media venues he himself calls "fake"?

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You have to trust Jeffrey Goldberg on that. Personally its no contest on the honesty of Jeffrey Goldberg vs. the liar in chief. 

Really isn't a question of whose honesty between them I trust more.  The question is - who are the sources and what is their motive for this article 2 years after the fact in an election year?  There are publicly announced denials from others that were around at that time including from some who are to exactly in the Trump inner circle any longer.  Based on that I have legitimate reason to suspect the validity of the smear.  

 

If you aren't even a bit suspicious it just indicates you WANT to believe it.  I don't buy into smears from either side without hard evidence.  

4 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

Really isn't a question of whose honesty between them I trust more.  The question is - who are the sources and what is their motive for this article 2 years after the fact in an election year?  There are publicly announced denials from others that were around at that time including from some who are to exactly in the Trump inner circle any longer.  Based on that I have legitimate reason to suspect the validity of the smear.  

 

If you aren't even a bit suspicious it just indicates you WANT to believe it.  I don't buy into smears from either side without hard evidence.  

Oh I’m sure the democrats are sitting on a boat load nay a ship load of damaging and damming stuff on trump 

On 9/5/2020 at 7:15 AM, Mama Noodle said:

How can they be credible when nobody has provided any supporting evidence and no one has the nuts to put their face to the claims. 
 

Nevermind all the people who were present who have come out and that it was never said. People who did put their faces to their claims. 
 

People can invoke McCain if they like, Trump and McCain had a long history that predates his presidency by many years and is in no way proof that trump called troops “suckers” and “losers” 

 

You can try spin and whitewash Trump's comment about McCain as being strictly personal. But what he actually said applied to all those who were captured. You may have "forgotten" how badly this comments were received back then, doubt everyone had.

 

On 9/5/2020 at 8:40 AM, Mama Noodle said:

Oh but it is exactly that. Within hours of it being published Joe Biden had high production value political ads running on social media and was in front of crowds, maskless, talking about it and major leftwing politicians doing the same. 
 

It was a coordinated hit piece. Nothing more. 

 

So when Biden campaign is on the ball it's a conspiracy, but when it slacks, an indication of inadequacy. Got to love the consistency. And the hypocrisy, of course, not like you ever had any issues with Team Trump going after rivals, Fox beating drums and dead horses etc.

 

20 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

Sure bro, sure. 

 

Indeed. But then again, no issues when Trump does this on a regular bases - "someone told me", "I heard", "many people say". Your "objections" are raised only when it suits - not when it matters. A poster claiming access to high placed individuals is one thing, a reporter doing so is another, but POTUS making this sort of comments on a regular basis, that's taking it to a new level. But apparently you and other Trump fans are fine with that.

15 minutes ago, Tug said:

Oh I’m sure the democrats are sitting on a boat load nay a ship load of damaging and damming stuff on trump 

It's not the democrats that he has to watch out for - it is from people how "used" to be on his side.

Michael Cohen's book plus the tax returns subpoenaed by the New York district attorneys could be enough to "lock him up" post election defeat - other books just add to the already partisan conceptions (either "Donald as a liar, fraud, cheat and coward" or "Disgruntled ex-employees with a grudge" depending on your point of view).

 

The most damaging is the tell-all by his first wife Ivana, marital rape allegations and all, which she cannot publish due to a NDA signed by both parties but which terminates if either party dies.

This is the one he is really afraid of.

 

13 minutes ago, Tug said:

Oh I’m sure the democrats are sitting on a boat load nay a ship load of damaging and damming stuff on trump 

Boats, like the sinking Trump parade?

6 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

Really isn't a question of whose honesty between them I trust more.  The question is - who are the sources and what is their motive for this article 2 years after the fact in an election year?  There are publicly announced denials from others that were around at that time including from some who are to exactly in the Trump inner circle any longer.  Based on that I have legitimate reason to suspect the validity of the smear.  

 

If you aren't even a bit suspicious it just indicates you WANT to believe it.  I don't buy into smears from either side without hard evidence.  

trump's public record of 20,000 plus false and misleading statements have come home to roost; he's not credible. trump constantly threatens and smears those who don't back him up. For example, demanding the Fox reporter who confirmed some of the reports to be fired... 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8699957/Melania-Trump-joins-fights-against-claims-Donald-Trump-called-WWI-Marine-heroes-losers.html

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

trump's public record of 20,000 plus false and misleading statements have come home to roost; he's not credible. trump constantly threatens and smears those who don't back him up. For example, demanding the Fox reporter who confirmed some of the reports to be fired... 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8699957/Melania-Trump-joins-fights-against-claims-Donald-Trump-called-WWI-Marine-heroes-losers.html

Easy to mistake inconvenient truths for lies. As outlined below the claim Trump told 20,000 lies is an outright lie in itself. Seeing as this forum does not allow false information to be posted, I consider it a matter of public duty to debunk this inflammatory nonsense every time it is wheeled out and presented as fact. Let's try keeping a sense of reality, and not using a lie to prove a contested event.

 

"His falsehoods include such incredible claims such as accurately stating the number of new jobs since the election. Or Trump saying he signed executive orders that he did, in fact, sign. Or claiming that Sen. Bernie Sanders, who wants corporate taxes to increase, worker wages to rise, and stock buybacks to end, wants 401(k) values to “dissipate.”

If those don’t sound so fraudulent, that’s because they’re not. "

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/washington-posts-10000-trump-untruths-is-about-25-fake-news-2019-04-29

12 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Easy to mistake inconvenient truths for lies. As outlined below the claim Trump told 20,000 lies is an outright lie in itself. Seeing as this forum does not allow false information to be posted, I consider it a matter of public duty to debunk this inflammatory nonsense every time it is wheeled out and presented as fact. Let's try keeping a sense of reality, and not using a lie to prove a contested event.

 

"His falsehoods include such incredible claims such as accurately stating the number of new jobs since the election. Or Trump saying he signed executive orders that he did, in fact, sign. Or claiming that Sen. Bernie Sanders, who wants corporate taxes to increase, worker wages to rise, and stock buybacks to end, wants 401(k) values to “dissipate.”

If those don’t sound so fraudulent, that’s because they’re not. "

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/washington-posts-10000-trump-untruths-is-about-25-fake-news-2019-04-29

Thanking you for the link and regurgitating the same opinion   that Trump is indeed recalcitrant habitual liar. 
 

“It’s also important to stress, that the Washington Post exaggerating the truth about Trump is not to say that the president isn’t uniquely untruthful. Even if you accept the 25% figure I come up with, and give another 5%-to-10% leeway for comments pretty close or almost true, Trump does spout untruths on a daily basis, sometimes wildly at odds with the facts”. 

Well ,  he was just following Putin 's orders !

9 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Easy to mistake inconvenient truths for lies. As outlined below the claim Trump told 20,000 lies is an outright lie in itself. Seeing as this forum does not allow false information to be posted, I consider it a matter of public duty to debunk this inflammatory nonsense every time it is wheeled out and presented as fact. Let's try keeping a sense of reality, and not using a lie to prove a contested event.

 

"His falsehoods include such incredible claims such as accurately stating the number of new jobs since the election. Or Trump saying he signed executive orders that he did, in fact, sign. Or claiming that Sen. Bernie Sanders, who wants corporate taxes to increase, worker wages to rise, and stock buybacks to end, wants 401(k) values to “dissipate.”

If those don’t sound so fraudulent, that’s because they’re not. "

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/washington-posts-10000-trump-untruths-is-about-25-fake-news-2019-04-29

Comes across as hair splitting on definitions between two analysts. News Corp who owns MarketWatch is a renowned supporter of trump. There are of course a number of fact checking organisations. However, the author of the article you reference does state the following which is not a good reference for trump is it.

 

Trump does spout untruths on a daily basis, sometimes wildly at odds with the facts.

On 9/4/2020 at 5:44 PM, simple1 said:

For those interested a link to The Atlantic article below. 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

hadn't really heard of this mag. before.

Has some interesting reads.

Another one is <https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/how-biden-loses/615835/> .

Biden better start losing his temper more often. American don't like 'nice' any more - POTOS has make it unfashionable.

2 minutes ago, paddypower said:

hadn't really heard of this mag. before.

Has some interesting reads.

Another one is <https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/how-biden-loses/615835/> .

Biden better start losing his temper more often. American don't like 'nice' any more - POTOS has make it unfashionable.

Pleased to read you are enjoying The Atlantic, it has an excellent reputation as does the "The Diplomat", there are others.

On 9/4/2020 at 8:00 PM, 2 is 1 said:

Fact is Doland have said: John Maccain is not war hero coz he get captured! (manylinks if weird hair lover want see).

Coz he dont like loosers! What kind looser not even join that war! Coz "family doctor" find "bone spike" hes leg ! Every man who havent be in war is most looser to tell anything about war or tell anything about any man who have stand and make they duty!

If you potus lover think other YOU ARE NOT PATRIOT! Or cant even say US man!

you're related to Melania?

 

The fact that these statements by Trump are just coming out now before the election when he made them in 2018 indicates how much the top military brass loathe Trump and want to get revenge.  More power to them.  They should step forward and identify themselves, particularly the retired ones.

7 minutes ago, paddypower said:

hadn't really heard of this mag. before.

Has some interesting reads.

Another one is <https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/how-biden-loses/615835/> .

Biden better start losing his temper more often. American don't like 'nice' any more - POTOS has make it unfashionable.

Where have you been?  The Atlantic has been around since before the Civil War.