Brexit back in crisis as UK threatens to undercut divorce pact

[vogie]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

mine is a cap …. a beret is most for the French …., but they let us free to decide about …. depending circumstances …...but most it is the 1 finger salute when hearing Britannia rules the "……… " ????

mine is a cap …. a beret is most for the French …., but they let us free to decide about ….

Ah, the EU is not all bad then.????

[sungod]

I thought black berets were called hats? ????

[nauseus]

42 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The IM bill is to disapply the part of the WA that Boris renogotated.

Nothing to do with T.Mays WA that was left intact.

The fact is it was put to the country via a GE . Therefore as Brexiteers like to say it is the will of the people.

What was put to the country via a GE was Borus v Corbyn. So no contest.

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

mine is a cap …. a beret is most for the French …., but they let us free to decide about ….

Ah, the EU is not all bad then.????

Dutch cap?

[Bluespunk]

Splat, that soft wet sound you may hear johnson, is a certain substance hitting an electrical implement 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/10/fears-grow-that-uk-is-preparing-to-quit-brexit-talks?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Edited September 10, 2020 by Bluespunk

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

What was put to the country via a GE was Borus v Corbyn. So no contest.

Agreed. The Tories didn't win the election by a landslide, Labour lost it by a landslide.

[david555]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/10/fears-grow-that-uk-is-preparing-to-quit-brexit-talks

Daniel Boffey in Brussels and Lisa O'Carroll in London
Thu 10 Sep 2020 12.01 BST

UK has already breached withdrawal agreement, EU lawyers say
Leaked legal opinion says bloc already has grounds to take ‘legal remedies’ that could lead to financial and trade sanctions

 

 

 

Britain has already breached the withdrawal agreement by tabling the internal market bill, prompting Brussels to plan legal action that could lead to financial and trade sanctions, according to a leaked EU legal opinion.

The European commission believes Boris Johnson’s government breached the terms of the treaty just by taking the first steps to pass a new law that would negate key parts of the agreement signed last year.
“Already by tabling the draft bill and pursuing the policy expressed therein, the UK government is in violation of the good faith obligation under the withdrawal agreement (article 5) because this bill jeopardises the attainment of the objectives of the agreement”, the commission lawyers write.

The commission has advised the 27 EU capitals that there are therefore grounds for the bloc to take “legal remedies” through the European court of Justice before the end of the transition period, leading to significant fines or potential trade sanctions.

 

much more …..

 

Edited September 10, 2020 by david555

[Bell1234]

Welldone Boris keep up the the good.work.. If you're upsetting the Bully EU then you're doing a good Job.. Tell the EU to shove it and walkaway

[david555]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Dutch cap?

You still not guessed the right one ….???? wow now even Vogie go laugh you ,.....???? you really must have something with "the Dutch" it seems ????

[sungod]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

The commission has advised the 27 EU capitals that there are therefore grounds for the bloc to take “legal remedies” through the European court of Justice

Hilarious, whats the chances of a fair trial guv?

 

Kangaroo court more like........

[Rookiescot]

27 minutes ago, sungod said:

I thought black berets were called hats? ????

Only by those who chose to jump out of a perfectly serviceable aircraft.

[david555]

20 minutes ago, sungod said:

Hilarious, whats the chances of a fair trial guv?

 

Kangaroo court more like........

you U.K. got already a judgment in your favor by the ECJ that U.K. could unilateral could decide extension , against E.U. who claimed it must be joint decision ……...so go cry somewhere else Calimero ????

 

Edited September 10, 2020 by david555

[MRToMRT]

55 minutes ago, RayC said:

So you agree that breaking international law is wrong?

Of course, by definition it's wrong. But you are all wanting to hang little Johnny for stealing a gob stopper. Meanwhile the local thuggery are hijacking the lorries delivering nightly to the shop.

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

Barnier couldn't sell blood to Dracula, he couldn't negotiate his way out of a brown paper bag. And all of the EUs businesses are reliant on him, god help them.

EU business are reliant on the single market. He’s protecting the single market. Guess why all the car manufacturers running to Merkel that you predicted haven’t happened? We are on track in this negotiation. We are not the ones who’s looking for someone to blame. 

[sungod]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

you U.K. got already a judgment in your favor by the ECJ that U.K. could unilateral could decide extension , against E.U. who claimed it must be joint decision ……...so go cry somewhere else Calimero ????

 

 

Shove you extension!

 

Toodle pip old chap! ????

[david555]

2 minutes ago, sungod said:

Shove you extension!

 

Toodle pip old chap! ????

Just showing you got fair trialed against E.U. by ECJ…..but I know any excuse is good for brexiteers … 

[izod10]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/10/fears-grow-that-uk-is-preparing-to-quit-brexit-talks

Daniel Boffey in Brussels and Lisa O'Carroll in London
Thu 10 Sep 2020 12.01 BST

UK has already breached withdrawal agreement, EU lawyers say
Leaked legal opinion says bloc already has grounds to take ‘legal remedies’ that could lead to financial and trade sanctions

 

 

 

Britain has already breached the withdrawal agreement by tabling the internal market bill, prompting Brussels to plan legal action that could lead to financial and trade sanctions, according to a leaked EU legal opinion.

The European commission believes Boris Johnson’s government breached the terms of the treaty just by taking the first steps to pass a new law that would negate key parts of the agreement signed last year.
“Already by tabling the draft bill and pursuing the policy expressed therein, the UK government is in violation of the good faith obligation under the withdrawal agreement (article 5) because this bill jeopardises the attainment of the objectives of the agreement”, the commission lawyers write.

The commission has advised the 27 EU capitals that there are therefore grounds for the bloc to take “legal remedies” through the European court of Justice before the end of the transition period, leading to significant fines or potential trade sanctions.

 

much more …..

 

it is a matter between the UK and NI,nothing to do with "international",an internal UK matter,but the EU wants to oversee it.  From Jan 1 the EU are nothing to do with the UK.

  AS far as the Good Friday agreement ,that can be trashed,UK does not want to participate,of course the UN can send in their troops,as can the EU ,to Eire

[RayC]

51 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

Of course, by definition it's wrong. But you are all wanting to hang little Johnny for stealing a gob stopper. Meanwhile the local thuggery are hijacking the lorries delivering nightly to the shop.

I wouldn't have thought that wanting the PM to be accountable for his actions which undermine an agreement that has implications for 28 states, and which references out to another agreement which safeguards the peace on the island of Ireland, could be described as "hanging little Johnny for stealing a gobstopper", but I guess that it comes down to interpretation.

 

The second part of your analogy about "the local thuggery" is lost on me. Care to give an example?

 

To paraphrase you: "The breaking of international law is, by definition, wrong." Fair play to you for stating that explicitly. Unfortunately, others on here can't accept that simple, basic premise and continue to suggest that the rule of law is there to be broken when it suits them.

[MRToMRT]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

I wouldn't have thought that wanting the PM to be accountable for his actions which undermine an agreement that has implications for 28 states, and which references out to another agreement which safeguards the peace on the island of Ireland, could be described as "hanging little Johnny for stealing a gobstopper", but I guess that it comes down to interpretation.

 

The second part of your analogy about "the local thuggery" is lost on me. Care to give an example?

 

To paraphrase you: "The breaking of international law is, by definition, wrong." Fair play to you for stating that explicitly. Unfortunately, others on here can't accept that simple, basic premise and continue to suggest that the rule of law is there to be broken when it suits them.

I would counter it does not affect all 27 of the EU states, it affects 1. The EU can still do what it wishes re border control. The UK, IMHO, is just saying if theres no deal then they will do what we like because we are sovereign.

 

Local thuggery is China, Russia and USA who have broken international law so many times in the last few years they are almost uncountable. 

[izod10]

2 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

I would counter it does not affect all 27 of the EU states, it affects 1. The EU can still do what it wishes re border control. The UK, IMHO, is just saying if theres no deal then they will do what we like because we are sovereign.

 

Local thuggery is China, Russia and USA who have broken international law so many times in the last few years they are almost uncountable. 

Top and bottom..simple.  Why the hell should the UK take note of EU practice,its finished,done for.  If the Irish want to battle it out re Good Friday   let them get on with it,nothing for England or the rest of not involved UK. 

   Boris need to tell the clowns at EU to go away,nothing to do with UK,signed paper or not ,just clear off

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

You still not guessed the right one ….???? wow now even Vogie go laugh you ,.....???? you really must have something with "the Dutch" it seems ????

Well, if the cap fits?

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well, if the cap fits?

Then I'll be a Dutchman.

[Mavideol]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

Why should the UK get the same deal as any other nation, you ask. 

Is that not obvious, why should Canada get all the benefits who has never been a member, yet the UK who has been a very consistant cash cow for 40+ years get as of yet nothing, and Mr Barnier will only negotiate after we have given him all the fish that we possess. So it was very kind of Barnier to say that we can have sovereignty over our waters, but we don't have any say who fishes them, many would say, myself included the your negotiator is acting in very bad faith, now most people would recognise this, but followers of the EU idealogy are not most people I guess.

wonder what's inside your head, that's confusing to read your train of thought, Canada is Canada, Australia is Australia they have nothing to do with the EU, they have a trade deal which is different from one another, UK is Uk they had it all but I guess it was not enough they decided to quit, now they want the same deal as before or better then before, is it a little more clear now ? hope so

[izod10]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

wonder what's inside your head, that's confusing to read your train of thought, Canada is Canada, Australia is Australia they have nothing to do with the EU, they have a trade deal which is different from one another, UK is Uk they had it all but I guess it was not enough they decided to quit, now they want the same deal as before or better then before, is it a little more clear now ? hope so

Not quite   WTO terms quite acceptable to UK,73 billion surplus exporting to UK,quite unacceptable to EU

[polpott]

20 minutes ago, izod10 said:

If the Irish want to battle it out re Good Friday   let them get on with it,nothing for England or the rest of not involved UK. 

You obviously weren't around for the troubles last time around. The IRA most certainly will involve England, not England's choice. Remember the Birmingham pub bombing? Remember the Manchester Arndale bomb? How about the Brighton bomb which nearly wiped out the Tory party?

[RayC]

25 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

I would counter it does not affect all 27 of the EU states, it affects 1. The EU can still do what it wishes re border control. The UK, IMHO, is just saying if theres no deal then they will do what we like because we are sovereign.

In terms of border control you are most likely correct, although I'm not sure if Gibraltar/ Spain is mentioned in the Withdrawal Agreement? However, the agreement also covers (processes relating to) citizens rights, division of assets and liabilities, all of which will be thrown out if this new bill is passed.

25 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

 

Local thuggery is China, Russia and USA who have broken international law so many times in the last few years they are almost uncountable. 

Isn't this a 'two wrongs make a right' argument?

 

The 'Internal Market' bill is not just applicable to this negotiation, it can be invoked at any time. Imo it is a very dangerous piece of proposed legislation.

 

[david555]

19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well, if the cap fits?

Don't you know they have on the back that Velcro adjustable band …?

 

Like an adjustable WA …..????

 

[sungod]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

Just showing you got fair trialed against E.U. by ECJ…..but I know any excuse is good for brexiteers … 

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[david555]

Just now, sungod said:

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[3NUMBAS]

The reason that the EU has failed to do a free-trade deal with the US, China, India, and now Britain is that in all cases it tries to use the negotiations to enhance its power and hegemony to a degree unacceptable to sovereign nations.