Brexit brinkmanship: EU orders UK to scrap plan for treaty breach, UK refuses

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 I did read it all.

 

The post of yours in question contained a quote; in full it is

 

So I ask again: how is a LIVE broadcast edited?

In separate posts I said I saw both the live and the Guardian (edited) versions. Read back properly and stop your nonsense.

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

you are talking rubbish.

Johnson took over PM with the explicit intemtion of renogatiating the WA. His comments at the time , the WA had to bs scrapped. even saying no deal better than a bad deal

 He was responsible fod the new NI protocol claimimg it was glorious success from the UK government.

What we now know , Johnson believed a bad deal was better than a no deal.

He wanted No Deal but Parliament blocked it.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/09/no-deal-brexit-officially-blocked-law-10711993/

 

So I put it to you Sir, that you are the one talking rubbish.

 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Actually it was May's withdrawal agreement and Johnson had no choice but to accept it (with some minor modifications) since the traitorous 2019 Remainer Parliament had made it illegal to leave with No Deal.

I agree that, apart from some minor modifications, Johnson's deal is identical to May's; with one major difference. Johnson's deal replaced May's Irish backstop with the Northern Ireland Protocol; which effectively placed a border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.

 

At the time, Johnson hailed this as HIS triumph. Brexiteers praised him and exclaimed how much better this agreement was to May's. They refused to accept that this agreement was, apart from this one factor, identical to May's. I'm sure that, like most Brexiteers on this forum, you were amongst them.

 

Johnson prorogued Parliament because it would not pass his agreement. When that didn't work he called, and won, a General Election based upon it. A win which you lot hailed as a magnificent victory for democracy!

 

I agreed with those, including most Ulster Unionists, who saw this Northern Ireland Protocol as a betrayal of Northern Ireland; effectively separating the Province from the rest of the UK and forcing it into an economic, maybe soon to be political, union with the Republic.

 

But the agreement was made; Johnson signed it last January with much fanfare; proclaiming that it finally put into effect the result of the 2016 referendum. The 2020 Act enshrining it into UK statute law was passed the very next day. You lot praised him to the skies.

 

Now he wants to do away with the only difference between his deal and May's. To do so with any honour would require negotiating a new agreement with the EU.

 

Whether he does so, or retains enough of his majority to abandon the agreement unilaterally, what would that leave? The deal you lot all rejected as BRINO!

 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

He had no idea that the EU would threaten to break up the UK using a contradictory set of clauses in the WA. When they informed him what they had planned, he brought about the internal market bill to give him the power to stop this. The bill itself doesn't break the law. It only allows him to break the law if the EU tries to break up the UK.

 

Since the EU has broken international law many times and also plans to break up the UK as punishment for Brexit, I have no issue with this. 

 

What contradictory clauses, and why didn't Jonson get rid of them before proclaiming the agreement a magnificent victory for the UK?

 

When have the EU threatened to break up the UK? 

 

The only threat to the UK comes from the border down the Irish Sea; and that came from Johnson and his advisors in the deal Johnson called a magnificent victory for the UK!

 

Some examples, please, of the EU breaking international law.

 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

If you do, that's tough. Parliament is sovereign 

Indeed; but if it allows Johnson to get away with breaking this agreement, with breaking international law then we could end up as a pariah state.

[7by7]

33 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

So if Parliament votes against Johnson's Bill, you will be content, happy and in full agreement then?

 

PH

Happy? Absolutely not.

 

But guess what? I will accept the decision like an adult because I believe in Democracy and Democratic process. Do you Remainers remember that word? Or has 4 years of being an irritating, condescending, vocal minority trying (but ultimately failing) to overturn Democratic votes finally taken it's toll?

 Really?

 

You'd accept it?

 

Just like you accepted the decisions of what you repeatedly refer to as the traitorous Remainer Parliament?

 

You say that Parliament is sovereign; but it seems you only believe that when you agree with it!

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, transam said:

Me worried about Brexit, perhaps you can tell me why I would be....?  ????

the list is too long to enumerate each one of them.... be patient, wait and all (it) will come back to you

[transam]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

the list is too long to enumerate each one of them.... be patient, wait and all (it) will come back to you

As usual, more EU folk spouting, no answers, just......woooooooooooo.

 

 

 

[7by7]

27 minutes ago, nauseus said:

In separate posts I said I saw both the live and the Guardian (edited) versions. Read back properly and stop your nonsense.

 But your comment that it was edited was in direct response to @Airbagwill saying he watched the whole think live. Otherwise, why quote him?

 

It is the live broadcast I'm interested in, not anyone's edited highlights, whether they be yours, The Guardians or anyone else's.

 

Johnson was humiliated. The full, unedited version, broadcast live, shows this.

[transam]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 But your comment that it was edited was in direct response to @Airbagwill saying he watched the whole think live. Otherwise, why quote him?

 

It is the live broadcast I'm interested in, not anyone's edited highlights, whether they be yours, The Guardians or anyone else's.

 

Johnson was humiliated. The full, unedited version, broadcast live, shows this.

Seems it made your day.......????

 

Do you miss ol' Corby and Co.....?  ????

[7by7]

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

5 hours ago, transam said:

Me worried about Brexit, perhaps you can tell me why I would be....?  ????

the list is too long to enumerate each one of them.... be patient, wait and all (it) will come back to you

 Be fair, @Mavideol.

 

Like most Brexiteers here, @transam lives in Thailand so will suffer few, if any, of the effects of Brexit; unless he relies on a UK pension for his income. But even then it will be a few years before he suffers the full effect.

[transam]

Just now, 7by7 said:

 Be fair, @Mavideol.

 

Like most Brexiteers here, @transam lives in Thailand so will suffer few, if any, of the effects of Brexit; unless he relies on a UK pension for his income. But even then it will be a few years before he suffers the full effect.

At least I am here, unlike yourself, chap......????

[7by7]

Just now, transam said:

Seems it made your day.......????

 

Do you miss ol' Corby and Co.....?  ????

I do not care to see a British PM humiliated in front of the world. But with this current buffoon it's happening all too often.

 

Corby and Co? The trouser press manufacturers? They're still in business.

[7by7]

1 minute ago, transam said:

At least I am here, unlike yourself, chap......????

Correct, I'm in the UK.

 

So will suffer the effects much sooner than you ex pats.

[7by7]

38 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

He wanted No Deal but Parliament blocked it.

That would be the Parliament you repeatedly declare to be sovereign?

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Be fair, @Mavideol.

 

Like most Brexiteers here, @transam lives in Thailand so will suffer few, if any, of the effects of Brexit; unless he relies on a UK pension for his income. But even then it will be a few years before he suffers the full effect.

if that's the case he may have some relatives/acquaintances there that could be directly affected by it or I don't see his reason for being so uptight about the all process, maybe he's bored  555

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Correct, I'm in the UK.

 

So will suffer the effects much sooner than you ex pats.

I do feel for you mate.... my sincere condolences 555

[Phulublub]

15 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Really?

 

You'd accept it?

 

Just like you accepted the decisions of what you repeatedly refer to as the traitorous Remainer Parliament?

 

You say that Parliament is sovereign; but it seems you only believe that when you agree with it!

Where have I ever not accepted the outcome of the referendum, any elections, or any previous laws?  Put up or shut up...

 

It is not me (or any remainer I know of)  that claimed that one of the benefits of Brexit was regaining Sovereignty.  It has, however oft been cited by Brexiters.

 

PH

[transam]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

Correct, I'm in the UK.

 

So will suffer the effects much sooner than you ex pats.

Just hang in there, or you could get in a rubber dinghy from Camber Sands and head to the place you adore, eh....There will be return trips soon, as the one way ones are really taking off.......????

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Just hang in there, or you could get in a rubber dinghy from Camber Sands and head to the place you adore, eh....There will be return trips soon, as the one way ones are really taking off.......????

Yes he can join all the English immigrants that will be heading for the EU come January ????

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes he can join all the English immigrants that will be heading for the EU come January ????

12 people + some of their kids, all English acquaintances of mine,  applied for French, Spanish and/or Portuguese nationality

[bkk6060]

What is going to happen now to your already low pensions?

Do any of you UK people ever asked what the heck your country does with the money?

You have the worst pension in the western world.

 

UK has lowest state pension of any developed country - OECD. British workers currently look forward to the lowest state pension of any developed country, according to a new report from a leading economic think tank.

 

The above is from a UK article the UK ranks the worst pension in the developed world below poverty level in many western countries.

 

Very sad situation in the UK that now may get worse.

 

Edited September 16, 2020 by bkk6060

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

12 people + some of their kids, all English acquaintances of mine,  applied for French, Spanish and/or Portuguese nationality

It is reported Farage managed to get himself a German passport because of his wife.

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

It is reported Farage managed to get himself a German passport because of his wife.

wouldn't surprise me at all..... sleazy guy that one

[7by7]

40 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

58 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Really?

 

You'd accept it?

 

Just like you accepted the decisions of what you repeatedly refer to as the traitorous Remainer Parliament?

 

You say that Parliament is sovereign; but it seems you only believe that when you agree with it!

Where have I ever not accepted the outcome of the referendum, any elections, or any previous laws?  Put up or shut up...

 

It is not me (or any remainer I know of)  that claimed that one of the benefits of Brexit was regaining Sovereignty.  It has, however oft been cited by Brexiters.

I'm sorry; but you seem to be labouring under a misapprehension.

 

Although quoting you as well as JonnyF, I was actually replying to JonnyF's response to you.

 

56 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

2 hours ago, Phulublub said:

So if Parliament votes against Johnson's Bill, you will be content, happy and in full agreement then?

 

PH

Happy? Absolutely not.

 

But guess what? I will accept the decision like an adult because I believe in Democracy and Democratic process. Do you Remainers remember that word? Or has 4 years of being an irritating, condescending, vocal minority trying (but ultimately failing) to overturn Democratic votes finally taken it's toll?

 Really?

 

You'd accept it?

 

Just like you accepted the decisions of what you repeatedly refer to as the traitorous Remainer Parliament?

 

You say that Parliament is sovereign; but it seems you only believe that when you agree with it!

 Hope that's clear.

[7by7]

41 minutes ago, transam said:

Just hang in there, or you could get in a rubber dinghy from Camber Sands and head to the place you adore, eh....There will be return trips soon, as the one way ones are really taking off.......????

 Places I adore? 

 

Where do you think they are, then?

[7by7]

36 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes he can join all the English immigrants that will be heading for the EU come January ????

 Actually, I wont be. 

 

Also, next January is too late. If any Brit wants to take advantage of the FoM to move to the EU/EEA or Switzerland, they have to do so by 31/12/20 as at the end of the transition period all our rights under the directive come to an end.

[7by7]

26 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

It is reported Farage managed to get himself a German passport because of his wife.

 Indeed; it seems he wants to ensure he retains the rights he was partly responsible for taking away from the rest of us.

 

There's a word for that; begins with hypo and ends with crite.

[Rookiescot]

8 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Places I adore? 

 

Where do you think they are, then?

 

You need to understand. Brexiteers have special powers that allow them to see into the future.

Thats how they knew what they were voting for.

 

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Indeed; it seems he wants to ensure he retains the rights he was partly responsible for taking away from the rest of us.

 

There's a word for that; begins with hypo and ends with crite.

 

How does that make him a hypocrite? 

[7by7]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

 

How does that make him a hypocrite? 

 Because he's made sure he will retain the rights he has worked to deny the rest of us!

 

He's saying that we can't have those rights while making damn sure he keeps them.

 

I don't see how I can make it any clearer.

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 Because he's made sure he will retain the rights he has worked to deny the rest of us!

 

He's saying that we can't have those rights while making damn sure he keeps them.

 

I don't see how I can make it any clearer.

Does everyone not have the right to marry anyone that will have them?