UK PM Johnson appeals to party for support over controversial bill

[rooster59]

UK PM Johnson appeals to party for support over controversial bill

 

Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson speaks during a virtual news conference on the ongoing situation with the coronavirus disease (COVID-19), at Downing Street, London, Britain September 9, 2020. Stefan Rousseau/Pool via REUTERS

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister Boris Johnson appealed to lawmakers in his Conservative Party on Friday to back a trade bill his government has admitted would break international law, saying it was needed to protect Britain.

 

Johnson's decision to proceed with his planned Internal Markets Bill has plunged trade talks with the EU into crisis and has prompted concern among some Conservatives, who fear that Britain's reputation would be damaged if it is seen to break the Brexit divorce treaty signed in January.

 

In a video conference with his lawmakers, Johnson explained the reason for the bill which he said would protect Britain's economic and political integrity, according to two of those who were on the call.

 

Johnson asked the lawmakers to back him, saying "Let's not go back to those miserable squabbling days of last autumn", a reference to last year's bitter divisions over the Brexit divorce deal which saw some Conservatives quit the party and others thrown out because of their opposition.

 

One of the lawmakers, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Johnson's message had been well received.

 

Earlier, Johnson's spokesman said the prime minister would reiterate Britain's commitment to implementing the Northern Ireland protocol of the divorce deal but also explain the internal markets bill to protect the British province.

 

"He will also be setting out that as a responsible government we must provide a safety net which removes any ambiguity and ensures that the government can always deliver on its commitments to the people of Northern Ireland," the spokesman said.

 

Some senior Conservatives, including former prime ministers Theresa May and John Major, along with figures who have been strong supporters of Brexit, have denounced the plan to override part of the divorce deal, saying it could damage Britain's international standing.

 

(Reporting by Elizabeth Piper and William James, writing by Michael Holden; editing by Stephen Addison)

 

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[Rookiescot]

How can you order someone to break the law?

Is what the UK has become? A tinpot dictatorship following a despot?

Anyone who votes for this bill in the knowledge it breaks international law should be prosecuted.

[RuamRudy]

So the bill he championed, signed and went to an election on turns out to be rubbish? Surely our official opposition and the population at large should be questioning the competence of the PM, his cabinet and his advisers if they so willingly entered the UK into such a shoddy agreement that the only remedy is to traduce the UK's international reputation?

 

Sadly, Starmer has shown how ineffective a leader he is, and how worthless Labour Lite is as an opposition. The democratic process is dying in the UK and nobody seems to care. 

[evadgib]

Quote

A new Bill to protect jobs and trade across the whole of the United Kingdom after the Transition Period ends was introduced to parliament on Wednesday 9 September

New UK Internal Market Bill - announcement

[twocatsmac]

What’s amazing is British citizens moaning when Boris is batting for Britain.

The moaners had few qualms about domestic laws being broken by rioters,extremists,vandals,tree huggers,BLM terrorist acts

 

but now, they’re all international law respecters. ????

Edited September 12, 2020 by twocatsmac

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Prime Minister Boris Johnson appealed to lawmakers in his Conservative Party on Friday to back a trade bill his government has admitted would break international law, saying it was needed to protect Britain.

Never mind this fake International law breaking nonsense, protecting Britain is more important. In this case protecting trade with NI. 

The MPs. were voted in on Brexit ticket and must support Boris. 

[flossie35]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Never mind this fake International law breaking nonsense, protecting Britain is more important. In this case protecting trade with NI. 

The MPs. were voted in on Brexit ticket and must support Boris. 

It's not fake. There has to be a border between the EU and a neighbouring territory outside the EU. The border can't be between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland as that would be against the Good Friday Agreement. The only alternative is the one in the agreement signed by BJ and which he now wants to rat on. That could work with proper preparation but as is normal with this bunch of incompetent bunglers the preparation hasn't been done. People have rightly turned against brexit which apart from being highly damaging politically and economically is very difficult to put into effect. The referendum was advisory and this appallingly bad advice should never have been taken.

[KhaoNiaw]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Never mind this fake International law breaking nonsense, protecting Britain is more important. In this case protecting trade with NI. 

The MPs. were voted in on Brexit ticket and must support Boris. 

Protecting Britain by restarting a war in Northern Ireland. By Britain you mean the English?

[RayC]

2 hours ago, twocatsmac said:

What’s amazing is British citizens moaning when Boris is batting for Britain.

The moaners had few qualms about domestic laws being broken by rioters,extremists,vandals,tree huggers,BLM terrorist acts

 

but now, they’re all international law respecters. ????

How will this 'Internal Market' bill help solve the problems you mention?

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, flossie35 said:

It's not fake. There has to be a border between the EU and a neighbouring territory outside the EU. The border can't be between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland as that would be against the Good Friday Agreement. The only alternative is the one in the agreement signed by BJ and which he now wants to rat on. That could work with proper preparation but as is normal with this bunch of incompetent bunglers the preparation hasn't been done. People have rightly turned against brexit which apart from being highly damaging politically and economically is very difficult to put into effect. The referendum was advisory and this appallingly bad advice should never have been taken.

It's your EU and Remainer furore which is fake. The EU made a threat to omit UK from a list of 'importers' to NI, calculated to force UK acceptance of their deal. They miscalculated what Boris's robust reaction would be and are now fake crying about international law breaking. The EU were threatening to not make the proper preparation for GB goods particularly foods to freely flow into NI. In that case, the Internal Market Bill overrides the external agreements which are not there. EU incompetence and arrogance at it best. Remainer hysteria as normal.

 

The people have not turned against Brexit, but are even more behind it than ever. It only takes a few foreign Johnnies to get above themselves and the UK people unite. We've had the advisory nonsense too many times already - forget it, you lost and Brexit is happening.

[Loiner]

12 minutes ago, KhaoNiaw said:

Protecting Britain by restarting a war in Northern Ireland. By Britain you mean the English?

You can start your war if you want to. The Irish will be too busy smuggling cheaper UK products into Ireland.

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

So the bill he championed, signed and went to an election on turns out to be rubbish? Surely our official opposition and the population at large should be questioning the competence of the PM, his cabinet and his advisers if they so willingly entered the UK into such a shoddy agreement that the only remedy is to traduce the UK's international reputation?

 

Sadly, Starmer has shown how ineffective a leader he is, and how worthless Labour Lite is as an opposition. The democratic process is dying in the UK and nobody seems to care. 

 

Several years ago, a law was introduced making it a criminal offense for anyone to encourage, persuade, bribe, coerce etc,, an organization to break a legally binding contract with another party for no valid reason.

 

Johnson, despicably, now seems to be doing just that. He's encouraging the UK to break it's legally binding contract with the EU for no valid legal reason.

 

He should be forced to resign and prosecuted.

[RayC]

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

So the bill he championed, signed and went to an election on turns out to be rubbish? Surely our official opposition and the population at large should be questioning the competence of the PM, his cabinet and his advisers if they so willingly entered the UK into such a shoddy agreement that the only remedy is to traduce the UK's international reputation?

 

Sadly, Starmer has shown how ineffective a leader he is, and how worthless Labour Lite is as an opposition. The democratic process is dying in the UK and nobody seems to care. 

Premature to call out Starmer. He may be playing a shrewd hand. Let's see what happens in Parliament next week.

 

As for the general population. A large number - including many Brexiters - have expressed their outrage at this development.

Edited September 12, 2020 by RayC
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[RayC]

Time for Tory MPs to show some backbone, and put country before personal ambition and loyalty to their party leader. 

 

[Loiner]

Time for Tory MPs to be told what to do by the whips, support the Internal Market Bill or else. Their loyalty is to get Brexit done properly, not leaving openings for EU tricks and cheats to split NI further from the Mainland.

[ukrules]

It doesn't break 'international law', that's merely a distraction.

[Nout]

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

How can you order someone to break the law?

Is what the UK has become? A tinpot dictatorship following a despot?

Anyone who votes for this bill in the knowledge it breaks international law should be prosecuted.

A parliamentary vote IS the law.

[Rookiescot]

13 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Time for Tory MPs to be told what to do by the whips, support the Internal Market Bill or else. Their loyalty is to get Brexit done properly, not leaving openings for EU tricks and cheats to split NI further from the Mainland.

Absolutely mate. Lets get it done. Lets break international law and then ask the Queen to sign it.

A twelve year stretch for her maj will be well worth the economic damage that Brexit is going to entail. 

But she will consider it her duty so you guys can have a different coloured passport.

 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, Nout said:

A parliamentary vote IS the law.

We have signed up to the Vienna agreement. Go read it.

 

Philippe Sands QC, a professor of international law at University College London, said: “Every international lawyer is familiar with the Vienna convention on the law of treaties, and its article 27, which reflects a general principle: ‘A party may not invoke the provisions of its internal law as justification for its failure to perform a treaty’.

“There is simply no way around this binding rule – to opine that parliament is sovereign is, in this sense, hopeless.”

 

 

[sawadee1947]

Clowns and law breakers at work. 

With Bojo we have the proof that covid damages brain abilities. ????

Horrible time for UK 

[RayC]

31 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Time for Tory MPs to be told what to do by the whips, support the Internal Market Bill or else. Their loyalty is to get Brexit done properly, not leaving openings for EU tricks and cheats to split NI further from the Mainland.

Their loyalty is to do what is right for the country which doesn't include breaking international treaties.

[RayC]

17 minutes ago, Nout said:

A parliamentary vote IS the law.

Domestic law not international law.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Prime Minister's article in the Telegraph: 12 September 2020

 

We want?

You are the junior party in a trade negotiation and all we get is we want?

How you guys never saw this coming is beyond me. 

Oh wait you were warned but you all decided to ignore those warnings.

Cliff edge no deal Brexit. Get used to it. 

[Loiner]

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

Their loyalty is to do what is right for the country which doesn't include breaking international treaties.

Internal Market Bill. There's a hint in the name. 
Whatever we do internally the UK, between mainland Great Britain and Northern Ireland, our own laws take precedent over other stuff. Boris has clarified it. 

[evadgib]

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

We want?

You are the junior party in a trade negotiation and all we get is we want?

How you guys never saw this coming is beyond me. 

Oh wait you were warned but you all decided to ignore those warnings.

Cliff edge no deal Brexit. Get used to it. 

Like you lot re 'losers consent'? (4 years in the making and still sulking?)

[vogie]

13 minutes ago, RayC said:

Their loyalty is to do what is right for the country which doesn't include breaking international treaties.

You never mentioned which country Ray, many Brits on here have been on the same cricket team as Mr Barnier for the last 3+ years, and that is not going to change anytime soon, the remainers have batted quite loyaly for Mr Barnier and they may feel this is their last breath death rattle, the last chance of overturning the democratic decision of our country. It's not going to happen Ray.

 

 

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Like you lot re 'losers consent'? (4 years in the making and still sulking?)

Utter deflection. Answer the points I made.

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

You never mentioned which country Ray, many Brits on here have been on the same cricket team as Mr Barnier for the last 3+ years, and that is not going to change anytime soon, the remainers have batted quite loyaly for Mr Barnier and they may feel this is their last breath death rattle, the last chance of overturning the democratic decision of our country. It's not going to happen Ray.

 

 

Thats it?

A 30 second sound bite from a rabid Brexiteer?

Oh I'm sure this is compelling evidence. The UK should have no trouble at all regarding their reneging on an international agreement.

Remainers were batting for team UK. Unfortunately they were beat in a single game by a team from English nationalism and exceptionalism. 

But it matters not a jot. We are leaving on the terms and conditions Brexiteers voted for.

Get used to it.

[evadgib]

11 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Utter deflection. Answer the points I made.

Which part are you struggling with?

????

Edited September 12, 2020 by evadgib

[Loiner]

14 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

We want?

You are the junior party in a trade negotiation and all we get is we want?

How you guys never saw this coming is beyond me. 

Oh wait you were warned but you all decided to ignore those warnings.

Cliff edge no deal Brexit. Get used to it. 

Who says we are the junior party? As the ones who are Leaving, thus setting the format for all those who follow, we are the trendsetters therefore senior party.

 

Of course it was seen coming. It is beyond you because you are a blinkered scotch nationalist and europhile. We always knew the EU is predisposed to cheating and trying to rip off the UK. The EU threatened to not have UK on "Third Country" list for  and Boris and Dominic already had a Bill prepared for it. Remainer warnings don't mean much.

 

I've been waiting for it for four years, so no problem getting used to it. Loser Remainers may have a harder time getting used to No Deal, seeing as how none of you have got over the referendum yet. Some also have still not got over the Indyref either. Seems you have a problem getting used to democracy.