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[snoop1130]

World becoming less tolerant of migrants - Gallup poll

By Emma Batha

 

Venezuelan migrants wearing face masks participate in a protest against the blockade of buses that they hired to reach the Colombian-Venezuelan border, amid the outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) in Bogota, Colombia April 29, 2020. REUTERS/Luisa Gonzalez

 

LONDON (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - The world is becoming less tolerant of migrants, according to a poll released on Wednesday as Europe prepared to unveil a new asylum plan in the wake of a blaze at an overcrowded camp in Greece that left thousands without shelter.

 

Seven European countries, led by North Macedonia, Hungary, Serbia and Croatia, topped the Gallup index of the world's least-accepting countries.

 

But the sharpest changes in attitudes were in Peru, Ecuador and Colombia, which have seen an influx of Venezuelans fleeing turmoil at home.

 

Canada was the most welcoming country toward migrants, followed by Iceland and New Zealand, according to the index based on more than 140,000 interviews in 145 countries and regions.

 

The poll asked people their views about having migrants living in their country, becoming their neighbours and marrying into their families.

 

Index scores ranged from 1.49 in North Macedonia to 8.46 in Canada, just below the maximum possible score of 9.

 

Gallup migration expert Julie Ray said the slight global fall in acceptance - 5.21 in 2019 down from 5.34 in 2016 - was driven by marked changes in Latin American countries.

 

Peru's score tumbled to 3.61 from 6.33 in 2016, while the number of Colombians who said migrants living in their country was a good thing dropped to 29% from 61%.

 

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The first Gallup Migrant Acceptance Index was conducted amid the backlash following the 2015 migrant crisis in Europe when more than a million people headed to the continent fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East and beyond.

 

EU countries have long been at loggerheads over how to handle the influx of migrants, many of whom arrive in Mediterranean countries after perilous boat journeys.

 

The bloc's executive will unveil a plan on Wednesday which would legally oblige all members to host their share of refugees - something rejected by Poland and Hungary among others.

 

The proposal has been brought forward because of a fire on the Greek island of Lesbos a fortnight ago which destroyed a migrant camp holding more than 12,000 people - four times the number it was supposed to.

 

Among European countries, only Sweden and Ireland made the Gallup top 10 of most-accepting countries.

 

Ray said some people would be surprised by the positive attitudes in the United States, where President Donald Trump has made curbing immigration a cornerstone of his policy.

 

"Despite the fact that immigration is such a hot topic in the U.S., Americans are mostly very accepting of migrants," she said.

 

The United States ranked sixth in the index just behind Sierra Leone. Ray said Trump supporters were far more accepting of migrants than the global average, scoring 7.10.

 

Worldwide, the index showed acceptance of migrants was greater among younger generations, people with higher levels of education and those living in urban rather than rural areas.

 

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[GeorgeCross]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

The United States ranked sixth in the index just behind Sierra Leone. Ray said Trump supporters were far more accepting of migrants than the global average, scoring 7.10.

 

hmmm, inconvenient 

 

we'll need to bury this story then..

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

Oh my Covid NO!, it can not be true, tell me its a fake poll done on a Pole or by hitting people with a pole.

 

The United States ranked sixth in the index just behind Sierra Leone. Ray said Trump supporters were far more accepting of migrants than the global average, scoring 7.10.

Edited September 23, 2020 by ThailandRyan

[GeorgeCross]

i wonder where thailand ranked? 

 

[Patts]

I think it depends on the type of migrants. If they are doing it legally, working and paying taxes then I have no issue with them but this is certainly not the case in the UK where we seem to be having an influx of illegal economic migrants from North Africa, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan etc. very few actually want to work and they all know how to play the system to get free housing, state benefits, health care etc normally under false pretences that they are refugees fleeing war etc. 

 

Once they are given accommodation they send word back to their families and they all come too. UK need to get out of Europe ASAP and stop all immigrants unless they are married to a British citizen, are a professional, have a required skill or are going to invest in the country.   

[Morch]

30 minutes ago, GeorgeCross said:

i wonder where thailand ranked? 

 

 

8th from the bottom, with a score of 2.48.

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/320678/world-grows-less-accepting-migrants.aspx

 

 

There's a follow up piece from Gallup, analyzing and comparing results for Canada and the USA:

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/320669/canada-migrants-sixth-place.aspx 

Edited September 23, 2020 by Morch

[Morch]

41 minutes ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

hmmm, inconvenient 

 

we'll need to bury this story then..

 

 

 

Inconvenient to which narrative, though?

[Patts]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

8th from the bottom, with a score of 2.48.

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/320678/world-grows-less-accepting-migrants.aspx

Thailand showing their true colours. All the fake smiles to extract $$$$ while secretly wishing you would pi** off 

[elliss]

42 minutes ago, GeorgeCross said:

i wonder where thailand ranked? 

 

 

Less tolerant of immigrants . 

   Thailand , number One ...

  However that said , I have bought land , house  etc , in the kingdom ..

   

 

 

 

Edited September 23, 2020 by elliss

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Patts said:

Thailand showing their true colours. All the fake smiles to extract $$$$ while secretly wishing you would pi** off 

 

I haven't really dug into it yet, so not sure how migrants were classified/labeled. I'd suspect it's more to do with Rohingya, Myanmar, and Cambodian people, though. At least from Thai immigration's point of view, we (or well, most of us staying here long term) aren't classed as migrants.

[2 is 1]

Many think that migrant's/ refugee seem's to get better take care from coverment than native citizen!

And some times it's even look that way! One time, news interview one guy/refugee who was come Finland from coundry where pepper grow! He say :" almost all goign fine but i have to make my own morning tea , thats terrible"! Im not say what religion he had, but they anyway put they head on soil and turn to Mecca! Sometimes they also say "salaam aleikum"!

Edited September 23, 2020 by 2 is 1

[Kinnock]

Inevitable that as things get tougher, tolerance of illegal immigrants will reduce in any country.  

 

[Patts]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

I haven't really dug into it yet, so not sure how migrants were classified/labeled. I'd suspect it's more to do with Rohingya, Myanmar, and Cambodian people, though. At least from Thai immigration's point of view, we (or well, most of us staying here long term) aren't classed as migrants.

Yes good point, I have to confess I didn't think of it from that point of view

[Chelseafan]

All this survery really says is this :

 

If it's on your doorstep then it's going to <deleted> you off.

 

Lets send 1 million migrants to both Canada and NZ in a short space of time and see if their attitudes change

 

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

the USA has an influx from s-america ... mostly CHRISTIANS, you know, people with the same values in life ...

 

Europe is invaded by muslims that think rulez are for foolz and make christian locals give up THEIR tradition like X-MAS, getting PORC served at school, and let's not forget the many many harassments of muslims with underage non-muslim girls that did not ask to get this unwanted perverse attention

[Scott Tracy]

14 hours ago, elliss said:

Less tolerant of immigrants . 

   Thailand , number One ...

  However that said , I have bought land , house  etc , in the kingdom ..

   

 

you have bought land, hoise? You own them? Or you just paid for it?

[Scott Tracy]

The world doesn't care. People's attitudes have hardened.

 

Difficult problem really. Those displaced by war, those at risk in their own country. What to do about those? Especially when those people start trying to get into those countries that were waging war in their country.

 

There have always been economic migration, asylum seekers, refugees. There will always be such.

 

What I find interesting is Iceland, with 324,000 population. I wonder what would happen if immigrants went there in their thousands? I imagine attitudes would soon change.

 

I also find it interesting that the UK is still seen by some as a haven, even though it is supposed to be the poor man of Europe now, since it left the EU. Mind you, it relieves the French authorities of a headache.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

11 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

All this survery really says is this :

 

If it's on your doorstep then it's going to <deleted> you off.

 

Lets send 1 million migrants to both Canada and NZ in a short space of time and see if their attitudes change

 

 

 

Absolutely. It's easy to be gracious and socially minded when it's someone else's problem. Canada and NZ are well protected by seas and Canada's only land border with the US. So now mass arrivals of undocumented aggressive young men, demanding everything for nothing, turning up. 

 

Wonder how they'd think if that wasn't the case and they had to deal with thousands of illegal immigrants rather than the controlled immigration they enjoy,

[blazes]

This poll does not accurately reflect Canadian attitudes today.  Mr Blackface Trudeau failed to obtain a second majority last October because of his super-Woke policies on things like fossil fuels and the failure to police the border with the US so as to prevent the entry of all those who have heard of Canada's reputation for showering asylum-seekers with munificent handouts.

 

On the other hand, the Government needs large numbers of high-end immigrants to help pay the taxes that will be required to uphold Canada's sprawling welfare system over the rest of the century.

[GinBoy2]

This is such a thorny issue.

 

Migrants, is such a broad term and means different things to people.

 

My Thai wife is a migrant. But she is a highly paid professional, and I doubt any of her co-workers or our friends would even associate the word migrant with her.

 

In some respects she is an economic migrant, since one of our decision points to move back to the US was she wanted to restart her career which had essentially stalled in Thailand.

We've never experienced any backlash against her, or indeed our Thai son who lives and works in the US.

 

I suspect that the main pushback to migrants comes in Europe. Major cultural differences, and massive numbers in a very short period of time is always going to put stress on any society

[RocketDog]

21 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

hmmm, inconvenient 

 

we'll need to bury this story then..

 

 

Asking the respondent's political affiliation would seem an odd part of a survey. The story did not state explicitly that this was done. But like you I'm suspicious of Ray's statement. 

 

At best it would show that his supporters don't agree with that particular part of his racist/divisive agenda. I'm very doubtful of that personally. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.......... 

[RocketDog]

6 hours ago, Scott Tracy said:

The world doesn't care. People's attitudes have hardened.

 

Difficult problem really. Those displaced by war, those at risk in their own country. What to do about those? Especially when those people start trying to get into those countries that were waging war in their country.

 

There have always been economic migration, asylum seekers, refugees. There will always be such.

 

What I find interesting is Iceland, with 324,000 population. I wonder what would happen if immigrants went there in their thousands? I imagine attitudes would soon change.

 

I also find it interesting that the UK is still seen by some as a haven, even though it is supposed to be the poor man of Europe now, since it left the EU. Mind you, it relieves the French authorities of a headache.

 

 

France is already the poster child for what mass influx of migrants with totally alien cultures can do to a country. Germany is going for second place in that contest. 

 

The bottom line is that it's unrealistic for large masses of people to rapidly move from one country to another. See what happens if everybody on a large airplane suddenly moves from the back half into the front half. It becomes dangerously unbalanced. Countries must maintain an equilibrium too. 

[Credo]

3 hours ago, RocketDog said:

France is already the poster child for what mass influx of migrants with totally alien cultures can do to a country. Germany is going for second place in that contest. 

 

The bottom line is that it's unrealistic for large masses of people to rapidly move from one country to another. See what happens if everybody on a large airplane suddenly moves from the back half into the front half. It becomes dangerously unbalanced. Countries must maintain an equilibrium too. 

Just a year or so ago, it was Germany that was the 'poster child' seems they've made a lot of progress.  Now you need a new poster child.   That sounds like an anti-immigrant agenda.

 

[Scott]

A meme with an unattributed source has been removed.  

 

[from the home of CC]

I know Thailand is, hence the end of amnesty..

[bert bloggs]

My dad was an immigrant, came over during the war to fight for Britain from Europe ,married a local girl ,worked all his life and became British and brought us up British .

now i have no problem with immigrants like that ,but to be blunt most of the illegals that come over to Britain these days are scum ,just coming to scrounge ,bring their beliefs and turn our country into the sort of place they came from ,cue the usual sad face that will disagree.

well sorry but the truth hurts and it is going to get far far worse as our countrys become more like theirs by the year. God help us. 

[RocketDog]

23 minutes ago, Credo said:

Just a year or so ago, it was Germany that was the 'poster child' seems they've made a lot of progress.  Now you need a new poster child.   That sounds like an anti-immigrant agenda.

 

Or a pro-equilibrium argument. 

Do you then consider yourself 'pro-immigration'? 

Eventually citizens will have to take back control of their own countries and make them livable instead of fleeing to other countries and depending on them for support. There is a distinct difference between mass migration and selective immigration. It's not reasonable for millions to expect other countries to support them as they establish new lives or re-establish their own cultural enclaves in another country. The Germans I've met don't feel that bringing millions into their own country and finding their new lives has been progress. 

 

Tough problem with no easy answers. 

[Credo]

2 hours ago, RocketDog said:

Or a pro-equilibrium argument. 

Do you then consider yourself 'pro-immigration'? 

Eventually citizens will have to take back control of their own countries and make them livable instead of fleeing to other countries and depending on them for support. There is a distinct difference between mass migration and selective immigration. It's not reasonable for millions to expect other countries to support them as they establish new lives or re-establish their own cultural enclaves in another country. The Germans I've met don't feel that bringing millions into their own country and finding their new lives has been progress. 

 

Tough problem with no easy answers. 

Well, I don't really like to put myself in a box of pro or anti anything.   If I were to do so, it would be pro-immigration.   Countries have the right to set limits on the number of immigrants they will admit and the categories under which they will admit them.   

 

People who are fleeing persecution should be given a fair hearing of their asylum claim.  I expect those hearing to err on the side of caution.   Those who do not meet the criteria should be repatriated as soon as possible and in the most humane way possible.   Repatriations should be done as absolutely soon as possible.  Migrants should not be allowed to linger in limbo for extensive periods of time.   There will always be situations that require humanitarian considerations.   Some people, for a variety of reasons can't be returned to their home country.   Sometimes the home countries denies that they are from there.   Children who arrive without family shouldn't be returned unless a relative or close family member can be found to care for them.   

Allowing people to live in a country without some sort of legal status, whether temporary, long-term or permanent is neither good for them or the host country.   

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Credo

[Nout]

On 9/23/2020 at 8:34 PM, Patts said:

I think it depends on the type of migrants. If they are doing it legally, working and paying taxes then I have no issue with them but this is certainly not the case in the UK where we seem to be having an influx of illegal economic migrants from North Africa, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan etc. very few actually want to work and they all know how to play the system to get free housing, state benefits, health care etc normally under false pretences that they are refugees fleeing war etc. 

 

Once they are given accommodation they send word back to their families and they all come too. UK need to get out of Europe ASAP and stop all immigrants unless they are married to a British citizen, are a professional, have a required skill or are going to invest in the country.   

But many British citizens are immigrants often with dual nationality. They can receive welfare benefit even back in Pakistan. In the UK some of the most violent gangs are Somalian. But the UK has no historical links with this group. The Libyan terrorists who slaughtered 40 children and injured 100s more were immigrants, one of whom had been rescued from drawing by the Royal navy. Theirw British citizenship gave them the right to vote, stand for Parliament,  receive multiple benefits, marry British citizens and import family members.

[Nout]

On 9/23/2020 at 8:55 PM, Patts said:

Thailand showing their true colours. All the fake smiles to extract $$$$ while secretly wishing you would pi** off 

Silly. You are confusing travellers with immigrants.