EU-bound trucks from UK could face two-day delays after Brexit, Britain says

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Phulublub said:

https://fullfact.org/europe/norway-eu-payments/

 

Appears I thought correctly.  Still, all those who voted to leave knew what they were voting for.

 

PH

Norway is in the EEA and it has to pay. What has that got to do with what we were voting for?

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[polpott]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Going well until the second line before crashing back into the same old didn't know what they were voting for cobblers. Pathetic. 

Not at all. I wrote that you believed what you were voting for and I believed in what I was voting for.

 

The fact is that now "project fear" predictions seem to be coming true but the projections that the Brexit campaign made are further away than ever.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Not at all. I wrote that you believed what you were voting for and I believed in what I was voting for.

 

The fact is that now "project fear" predictions seem to be coming true but the projections that the Brexit campaign made are further away than ever.

The essence of what you wrote is that your own opinion is the right one and that mine is wrong. Now you are entitled to your own opinion but don't expect broad agreement with it.

 

What PF predictions (glad you admit that you own them) have actually come true and what Brexit "projections" are so far away from happening?  

[nauseus]

Tea break?

 

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Norway is in the EEA and it has to pay. What has that got to do with what we were voting for?

I was also wondering about that.

 

(Hope it wasn't Norway's handling of satang re EU that caused the leave vote.)

 

[tebee]

17 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

What makes you think this? What other countries make payments to another country to have a free trade deal? 

It's not for a trade deal, it's for mutual recognition of standards and is the cost of establishing and policing those standards.

 

Without it every shipment to the EU needs individual certification that it matches their standards. This ends up more expensive for the exporter.

[david555]

(So tomorrow is 30 September .....what go happen with the E.U. deadline for Boris his Bill ….?  ???? )

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-brexit-uk-politics-lockdown-latest-today-b668701.html

Boris Johnson news – live: Michael Gove in Brussels for showdown Brexit talks
Adam Forrest @adamtomforrest
Conrad Duncan @theconradduncan
54 minutes ago

 

Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove is holding talks with the EU counterparts in Brussels in a bid to smooth over the acrimonious dispute over UK plans to rip up part of the Withdrawal Agreement.

Ahead of formal trade talks, Irish premier Micheal Martin said he is “not optimistic” Boris Johnson’s government will strike a post-Brexit deal with the EU. He said his government was preparing for the “terrible reality” of a no-deal scenario at the end of 2020.

 

[tebee]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

 

What PF predictions (glad you admit that you own them) have actually come true and what Brexit "projections" are so far away from happening?  

Brexit "projections which have failed to materialize

 

Any benefit at to British Exporters

£350 mill a week to the NHS 

 

  PF predictions coming into focus now

 

Much more paperwork for our exports 

 

Food getting more expensive

Car manufacturing closing down.

Q's at Dover 

Food and medicine shortages 

No solution to the problems Brexit causes to NI 

British pensioners being unable to retire to Europe because of lack of health insurance.

Most British truckers being unable to work in Europe

Loss of accountability in government

UK becoming "Billy no mates" 

Possible break up of UK.

 

[CG1 Blue]

9 minutes ago, tebee said:

It's not for a trade deal, it's for mutual recognition of standards and is the cost of establishing and policing those standards.

 

Without it every shipment to the EU needs individual certification that it matches their standards. This ends up more expensive for the exporter.

I was responding to the claim that the UK would need to make regular payments to the EU in order to get a trade deal. I don't think your comment relates to that -does it? 

[Rookiescot]

20 minutes ago, david555 said:

(So tomorrow is 30 September .....what go happen with the E.U. deadline for Boris his Bill ….?  ???? )

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-brexit-uk-politics-lockdown-latest-today-b668701.html

Boris Johnson news – live: Michael Gove in Brussels for showdown Brexit talks
Adam Forrest @adamtomforrest
Conrad Duncan @theconradduncan
54 minutes ago

 

Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove is holding talks with the EU counterparts in Brussels in a bid to smooth over the acrimonious dispute over UK plans to rip up part of the Withdrawal Agreement.

Ahead of formal trade talks, Irish premier Micheal Martin said he is “not optimistic” Boris Johnson’s government will strike a post-Brexit deal with the EU. He said his government was preparing for the “terrible reality” of a no-deal scenario at the end of 2020.

 

There is only one solution to this. Either Johnson and the Brexiteers face reality and capitulate or its a no deal Brexit.

The question is CAN they actually face reality and admit they are the smaller party in these trade talks and hence all the nonsense spouted about "we will hold all the cards" was nothing but bluster. 

I dont think they can. They will keep on denying what is obvious and simply wrap that union flag around themselves ever tighter. Of course when the shock of what they have caused finally hits they will lash out and blame anyone but themselves for the economic disaster they voted for.

Should be a laugh a minute on these boards when that happens. 

[nauseus]

30 minutes ago, tebee said:

Brexit "projections which have failed to materialize

 

Any benefit at to British Exporters

£350 mill a week to the NHS 

 

  PF predictions coming into focus now

 

Much more paperwork for our exports 

 

Food getting more expensive

Car manufacturing closing down.

Q's at Dover 

Food and medicine shortages 

No solution to the problems Brexit causes to NI 

British pensioners being unable to retire to Europe because of lack of health insurance.

Most British truckers being unable to work in Europe

Loss of accountability in government

UK becoming "Billy no mates" 

Possible break up of UK.

 

Coming into focus? Great work.

[tebee]

29 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I was responding to the claim that the UK would need to make regular payments to the EU in order to get a trade deal. I don't think your comment relates to that -does it? 

It depends on what sort of trade deal they want. The UK was asking for something similar to what it had before which would have had mutual recognition and the costs and responsibilities (level playing field) that that involves. A looser deal, just on tariffs could be done without those costs, but it's not as good for UK exporters and messes up NI again.  

 

It's the UK wanting the benefits of membership without being a member again.... 

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

There is only one solution to this. Either Johnson and the Brexiteers face reality and capitulate or its a no deal Brexit.

The question is CAN they actually face reality and admit they are the smaller party in these trade talks and hence all the nonsense spouted about "we will hold all the cards" was nothing but bluster. 

I dont think they can. They will keep on denying what is obvious and simply wrap that union flag around themselves ever tighter. Of course when the shock of what they have caused finally hits they will lash out and blame anyone but themselves for the economic disaster they voted for.

Should be a laugh a minute on these boards when that happens. 

High drama! So your definition of facing reality is just rolling over. Even Boris knows that is his surest way into the No.10. ejector seat. 

 

No point in "capitulating" now anyway, we're already out. This is the sequencing that the EU wanted for the "negotiations". Remember? 

Can't do the trade deal until the WA and RD are done. Nag nag nag.

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[tebee]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Coming into focus? Great work.

This is what will happen if we get no deal - I think that is almost inevitable now unless we have a regime change at Westminster. 

 

But if you prefer to wait until the bus has run you over, feel free to ignore it.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

This is what will happen if we get no deal - I think that is almost inevitable now unless we have a regime change at Westminster. 

 

But if you prefer to wait until the bus has run you over, feel free to ignore it.

I've been ignoring project fear for more than 4 years.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

High drama! So your definition of facing reality is just rolling over. Even Boris knows that is his surest way into the No.10. ejector seat. 

 

No point in "capitulating" now anyway, we're already out. This is the sequencing that the EU wanted for the "negotiations". Remember? 

My definition of reality is facing the cold hard truth. 

The UK is not and never will be a global power ever again. The stark truth is you British nationalist assumed everyone would bend over backwards to accommodate your demands because of your belief in English exceptionalism. 

Welcome to the real world. Small fish in a big pond full of sharks. 

[Rookiescot]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Norway is in the EEA and it has to pay. What has that got to do with what we were voting for?

Because staying in the single market was what we were promised.

 

 

[nauseus]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

My definition of reality is facing the cold hard truth. 

The UK is not and never will be a global power ever again. The stark truth is you British nationalist assumed everyone would bend over backwards to accommodate your demands because of your belief in English exceptionalism. 

Welcome to the real world. Small fish in a big pond full of sharks. 

What a load of slop. Looks like it's not me who needs the reality check. 

[nauseus]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Because staying in the single market was what we were promised.

 

 

That's it. I have to drink now.

[tebee]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

High drama! So your definition of facing reality is just rolling over. Even Boris knows that is his surest way into the No.10. ejector seat. 

 

No point in "capitulating" now anyway, we're already out. This is the sequencing that the EU wanted for the "negotiations". Remember? 

Can't do the trade deal until the WA and RD are done. Nag nag nag.

So Boris has the choice of capitulating to the EU and being thrown out or waiting until after the chaos of nodeal hits the public and being thrown out then with an even worse reputation.

 

EU wanted sequencing precisely because it put the UK in an inferior position. 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I've been ignoring project fear for more than 4 years.

You have been ignoring reality for 4 years more like. 

[nauseus]

Just now, tebee said:

So Boris has the choice of capitulating to the EU and being thrown out or waiting until after the chaos of nodeal hits the public and being thrown out then with an even worse reputation.

 

EU wanted sequencing precisely because it put the UK in an inferior position. 

Boris has only one route to political survival now.

 

So much for the EU's good faith then! 

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You have been ignoring reality for 4 years more like. 

I have been enjoying it, apart from the weakness of the exit negotiations, that were mismanaged by remainers for so long. 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

What a load of slop. Looks like it's not me who needs the reality check. 

LOL 

So you still believe the UK holds all the cards? It will be the easiest trade deal in history? German car manufacturers will not allow no deal? They need us more than we need them? No-one is threatening our place in the single market? We will be just like Norway and Switzerland? There will be no downside to voting for Brexit?

I really love quoting all those Brexiter slogans back to you guys. All that bluster. All that bravado.

Where are we now?

Yeah reality sucks dont it? Still you knew what you were voting for and this is it.

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I have been enjoying it, apart from the weakness of the exit negotiations, that were mismanaged by remainers for so long. 

Evidently thats no longer an issue is it? Not since Johnson and his oven ready deal were swept into power with an eighty seat majority.

[vogie]

32 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Because staying in the single market was what we were promised.

 

 

I do wish that the remainers were a little more honest.

 

 

[Rookiescot]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

I do wish that the remainers were a little more honest.

 

 

 

 

Oh good Lord I do enjoy an excuse to post this. 

 

 

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

 

Oh good Lord I do enjoy an excuse to post this. 

 

 

Your posts are becoming more farcical by the minute, now you are, as ever embarrassing yourself, you have heard it from the Prime Minister at the time, and still you may be as well quoting Barny your next door neighbour, the Prime Minister told you, it doesn't get any better than that.

You cannot handle the truth and you have more spin than Shane Warne. 

Time for a reality check rookie.

[Loiner]

 

[evadgib]

We can expect snakes-and-ladders from this lot right the way through til January; and if a Ferry is so much as an hour late on say 2nd, 3rd or 4th of January (as is usual due to weather at that time of year) we can expect a unilateral 'I TOLD YOU SO' as their final throw of the dice in what is always a 'no news' time of year.