Protesters scuffle with police at London anti-lockdown demo

[Tippaporn]

55 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

They protest tyranny.

Yes,

The tyranny of looking after yourself

The tyranny of looking after others

The tyranny of health regulations

The tyranny of the law

The tyranny of expert advice

The tyranny of common sense

 

Quite good for tyrannies really.

Your response is in utter avoidance and devoid of all other aspects of the effects of Covid.  Single mindedness in this case equates to simple mindedness.

[polpott]

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

They are not health regulations which only involve social distancing and mask wearing.  When health regulations force the closure and loss of businesses and put people out of work with little to no means to support themselves, when they become edicts denying basic freedoms, then they are not merely health regulations but an innocent term used to cloak authoritarianism.

The health regulations would have been enough if people had abided by them. We got new cases down to less than 600/day and deaths down to single figures. Then the lockdown was eased and the young covidiots thought it was all over, threw their masks away and went out partying. Now we're heading back to square one and lockdowns are on the agenda again. The young covidiots and the government have only got themselves to blame. No gain without pain.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by polpott

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

They are not health regulations which only involve social distancing and mask wearing.  When health regulations force the closure and loss of businesses and put people out of work with little to no means to support themselves, when they become edicts denying basic freedoms, then they are not merely health regulations but an innocent term used to cloak authoritarianism.

Spin it whichever say you like, split hairs....whatever. If certain businesses remain open, without regulation and serve to further spread the pandemic, then eventually, there might not be a business nor costumers.

 

This is not an ordinary situation.

 

I notice that other than arguing about labels, you do not offer much by way of reasonable, fact based alternatives as to how to contain the pandemic.

Sweden.  South Dakota in the U.S.

[473geo]

Wasn't difficult to predict these sort of gatherings, in countries where free speech and actions are accepted as an integral part of a balanced society

There will always be dissenters, the intelligent accept this, taking appropriate precautions

 

I have no problem with schools going back. I have always thought along the lines that I must protect myself to the best of my ability, because the most probable outcome would eventually be the individual building some immunity through contracting the infection, possibly/hopefully from a mild infection, which is where masks surely have a part to play.

However to protect myself I switched from going into the office to work, back to working from home, justified by the fact that people coming into the office with children in school has elevated the risk in my opinion.

I cycle to work, and, as winter approaches covid could well be slightly beneficial in keeping me out of the inclement weather - An example of using the situation to my benefit, better to cycle in the daylight around midday for an hour than the cold dark mornings and evenings on busy roads

 

So to freedom of choice in the UK. lockdowns, and as one on Thaivisa with classic exaggeration told it 'house arrest'.

 

Two days ago I met with a couple of friends, we could have eaten out, but decided to have good old English fish and chips at my friends home, accompanied by a good natter. We all daily take appropriate precautions, distance, and wear masks, all getting out in the fresh air, relatively safe and considered, evaluated prior to meeting up.

 

I walk to the local supermarket without a mask but put in place before entering remove shortly after departure, no shortages of product although paracetamol, bog rolls, and flu 'remedies' are flying off the shelves again and 'limits' are rightly in place.

 

I was furloughed for around 3 months before being called back to work for a couple of months, it was a great time for me never had such a long break from employment for 30+ years when I took voluntary redundancy and discovered Asia, 80% salary with tax reduction and holidays included maybe take home on average 85%. I may be furloughed again in October, but I see this as ok and certainly beneficial to my health thus increasing my chances if covid 'arrives'

 

Working from home/ on furlough I get to speak on video with my wife and children every day, something that was not really an option when working from the office

 

Football has returned so I can play/lose my weekly betting allowance - my hobby

 

I guess what I am trying to say is, I am in the UK, although, yes, I lead a quiet lifestyle, I do not feel restricted in my everyday existence, have nothing to protest or complain about - except my local eat all you can Chinese which I frequently visited has yet to reopen. I guess i can live with that for now 

 

So there you go - just lucky I guess

 

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by 473geo

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Moonlover said:

No I am no in the UK. What's more I am living in a part of Thailand that has been completely free of Covid 19 and there is very little chance of contracting.

 

But even here  many business's are closed down and there are few people around. Supermarkets and Robinson's are quiet even at weekends and restaurants are doing little business. Why is this?

 

I suspect they are doing what I've been doing and staying away because they. like me are fed up with the restrictions. There is more than one way to protest and 'voting with ones feet' is one them.

 

I have every respect for the efforts of both the government and the Thai people and I'm grateful to them, but the time must come to say 'enough is enough, time to get on with life'.

Infections in the UK and Europe are climbing again.

 

Your timing, like your willingness to put others at risk, is more than a little questionable.

 

Perhaps you should consider what would be the impact on businesses and daily life if this disease is allowed to spread unhindered by lockdowns and health precautions.

[tribalfusion001]

I was there yesterday, the media is protraying it as thugs and conspiracy theorists, that is far from the truth. There was all races, all religions, all political beliefs who had come together against these virus control measures. The police said it was lawful first of all and at 2.15pm decided it was illegal, then the riot police came in with batons hitting people. The speaker told everyone to sit down to stop the riot police hitting people, this is what it's come to in the UK, police pushing middle aged women over and threatening people with batons.

 

The protest then moved to Hyde Park and more riot police were, mounted officers and a few scuffles when the police arrested a couple of people. The situation calmed down and the police engaged with the crowd to leave as it was an illegal gathering. There said we couldn't even walk in a public park and had to leave or face arrest.

 

The next point is very interesting, Piers Corbyn and David Icke were both allowed to speak but when a German doctor named Dr Heiko Schoning came on at around 2.45pm he spoke for about 2 minutes and then the riot police moved in. I was Hyde Park and saw the riot police forming up and then they charged surrounding a guy in a suit at Speakers Corner under a hut. I found out when I got home from YouTube that was Dr Heiko Schoning and there arrested him and he still being held now.

 

Dr Heiko Schoning is currently doing German parliamentary report into coronavirus, so he's not a quack doctor. He did do an interview with Anna Brees just before the protest started and he stated this was a Politcal Pandemic not a medical pandemic and linked this with The Great Reset which is an idea formed by the WEF at Davos this year, you can check this out, it's all true.

 

The Great Reset by the World Economic Forum

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by onthedarkside
videos from unauthorized news sources

[evadgib]

5 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Wasn't difficult to predict these sort of gatherings, in countries where free speech and actions are accepted as an integral part of a balanced society

There will always be dissenters, the intelligent accept this, taking appropriate precautions

 

I have no problem with schools going back. I have always thought along the lines that I must protect myself to the best of my ability, because the most probable outcome would eventually be the individual building some immunity through contracting the infection, possibly/hopefully from a mild infection, which is where masks surely have a part to play.

However to protect myself I switched from going into the office to work, back to working from home, justified by the fact that people coming into the office with children in school has elevated the risk in my opinion.

I cycle to work, and, as winter approaches covid could well be slightly beneficial in keeping me out of the inclement weather - An example of using the situation to my benefit, better to cycle in the daylight around midday for an hour than the cold dark mornings and evenings on busy roads

 

So to freedom of choice in the UK. lockdowns, and as one on Thaivisa with classic exaggeration told it 'house arrest'.

 

Two days ago I met with a couple of friends, we could have eaten out, but decided to have good old English fish and chips at my friends home, accompanied by a good natter. We all daily take appropriate precautions, distance, and wear masks, all getting out in the fresh air, relatively safe and considered, evaluated prior to meeting up.

 

I walk to the local supermarket without a mask but put in place before entering remove shortly after departure, no shortages of product although paracetamol, bog rolls, and flu 'remedies' are flying of the shelves again and 'limits' are rightly in place.

 

I was furloughed for around 3 months before being called back to work for a couple of months, it was a great time for me never had such a long break from employment for 30+ years when I took voluntary redundancy and discovered Asia, 80% salary with tax reduction and holidays included maybe take home on average 85%. I may be furloughed again in October, but I see this as ok and certainly beneficial to my health thus increasing my chances if covid 'arrives'

 

Working from home/ on furlough I get to speak on video with my wife and children every day, something that was not really an option when working from the office

 

Football has returned so I can play/lose my weekly betting allowance - my hobby

 

I guess what I am trying to say is, I am in the UK, although, yes, I lead a quiet lifestyle, I do not feel restricted in my everyday existence, have nothing to protest or complain about - except my local eat all you can Chinese which I frequently visited has yet to reopen. I guess i can live with that for now 

 

So there you go - just lucky I guess

 

 

Thanks for taking the time to write this enjoyable post.

[Tippaporn]

19 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

32 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Spin it whichever say you like, split hairs....whatever. If certain businesses remain open, without regulation and serve to further spread the pandemic, then eventually, there might not be a business nor costumers.

 

This is not an ordinary situation.

 

I notice that other than arguing about labels, you do not offer much by way of reasonable, fact based alternatives as to how to contain the pandemic.

Sweden.  South Dakota in the U.S.

Taiwan handled it best.  I believe they never had any lock downs.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  Only 7 total deaths in a population of 2.5 million.

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by Tippaporn

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

I was there yesterday, the media is protraying it as thugs and conspiracy theorists, that is far from the truth. There was all races, all religions, all political beliefs who had come together against these virus control measures. The police said it was lawful first of all and at 2.15pm decided it was illegal, then the riot police came in with batons hitting people. The speaker told everyone to sit down to stop the riot police hitting people, this is what it's come to in the UK, police pushing middle aged women over and threatening people with batons.

 

The protest then moved to Hyde Park and more riot police were, mounted officers and a few scuffles when the police arrested a couple of people. The situation calmed down and the police engaged with the crowd to leave as it was an illegal gathering. There said we couldn't even walk in a public park and had to leave or face arrest.

 

The next point is very interesting, Piers Corbyn and David Icke were both allowed to speak but when a German doctor named Dr Heiko Schoning came on at around 2.45pm he spoke for about 2 minutes and then the riot police moved in. I was Hyde Park and saw the riot police forming up and then they charged surrounding a guy in a suit at Speakers Corner under a hut. I found out when I got home from YouTube that was Dr Heiko Schoning and there arrested him and he still being held now.

 

Dr Heiko Schoning is currently doing German parliamentary report into coronavirus, so he's not a quack doctor. He did do an interview with Anna Brees just before the protest started and he stated this was a Politcal Pandemic not a medical pandemic and linked this with The Great Reset which is an idea formed by the WEF at Davos this year, you can check this out, it's all true.

 

The Great Reset by the World Economic Forum

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

 

All of which was livestreamed and followed by thousands around the world in real time.

Edited September 27, 2020 by onthedarkside

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

2 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

I was there yesterday, the media is protraying it as thugs and conspiracy theorists, that is far from the truth. There was all races, all religions, all political beliefs who had come together against these virus control measures. The police said it was lawful first of all and at 2.15pm decided it was illegal, then the riot police came in with batons hitting people. The speaker told everyone to sit down to stop the riot police hitting people, this is what it's come to in the UK, police pushing middle aged women over and threatening people with batons.

 

The protest then moved to Hyde Park and more riot police were, mounted officers and a few scuffles when the police arrested a couple of people. The situation calmed down and the police engaged with the crowd to leave as it was an illegal gathering. There said we couldn't even walk in a public park and had to leave or face arrest.

 

The next point is very interesting, Piers Corbyn and David Icke were both allowed to speak but when a German doctor named Dr Heiko Schoning came on at around 2.45pm he spoke for about 2 minutes and then the riot police moved in. I was Hyde Park and saw the riot police forming up and then they charged surrounding a guy in a suit at Speakers Corner under a hut. I found out when I got home from YouTube that was Dr Heiko Schoning and there arrested him and he still being held now.

 

Dr Heiko Schoning is currently doing German parliamentary report into coronavirus, so he's not a quack doctor. He did do an interview with Anna Brees just before the protest started and he stated this was a Politcal Pandemic not a medical pandemic and linked this with The Great Reset which is an idea formed by the WEF at Davos this year, you can check this out, it's all true.

 

The Great Reset by the World Economic Forum

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

 

Thanks for taking the time to write this enjoyable post.

Ditto.  

Edited September 27, 2020 by onthedarkside

[simon43]

Only 7 total deaths in a population of 2.5 million.

 

Is their population only 2.5 million?

 

Here in Laos, just 20 cases and no deaths in a population of 7 million...  ????

[tribalfusion001]

There is too much conflicting infomation about covid-19 from expert medical doctors and scientists now to not question the official narrative. For the last couple of weeks the false positive rate has been discussed by Dr Mike Yeadon and Prof Carl Henneghan, around 90% or more of any positive covid-19 RT-PCR test is a false negative. The government don't want to answer the question and the policy is based on rising infections, but these new cases are not classifed as infectious or non infectious because the PCR test does not test for infectiousness just whether elements of covid-19 is in the RNA.

 

Fernando Verdasco the Spanish tennis player was banned from the French open as he tested positive, the week before he was negative and he took 3 more tests on his own to prove he was negative, all of these tests came back negative. The testing system is flawed and more testing just increases the amount of new cases. Both Dr Mike Yeadon and Prof Carl Henneghan explain it better than me, check out their videos on YouTube.

Edited September 27, 2020 by tribalfusion001

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

There is too much conflicting infomation about covid-19 from expert medical doctors and scientists now to not question the official narrative. For the last couple of weeks the false positive rate has been discussed by Dr Mike Yeading and Prof Carl Henneghan, around 90% or more of any positive covid-19 RT-PCR test is a false negative. The government don't want to answer the question and the policy is based on rising infections, but these new cases are not classifed as infectious or non infectious because the PCR test does not test for infectiousness just whether elements of covid-19 is in the RNA.

 

Fernando Verdasco the Spanish tennis player was banned from the French open as he tested positive, the week before he was negative and he took 3 more tests on his own to prove he was negative, all of these tests came back negative. The testing system is flawed and more testing just increases the amount of new cases. Both Dr Mike Yeading and Prof Carl Henneghan explain it better than me, check out they videos on YouTube.

Link to you 90% please.

[Enoon]

3 hours ago, polpott said:

Yep. 993k dead.

 

In my "local" part of the UK approx 1 in 700 have died COVID related (lot of oldies around here).

 

UK as a whole about 1 in 1300.

 

Thinking about communities of people that does not seem quite as "tragic" as 50,000 dead for the UK.

 

Likewise when looking at the "horror" of the world figures.

 

More than a million die worldwide every year from TB.........gets hardly a mention.

 

COVID is just another way for people to die at a not especially "terrifying" rate.

 

Asymptomatic Ebola airborne would be a very different story.

 

Spreading of the COVID virus in no small way facilitated by the very modernity (airline travel included) that promised us an earthly paradise.

 

1 step forward, 1 step back..........that's the catch with "progress".

 

PS I'm 65.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by Enoon

[Tippaporn]

20 minutes ago, simon43 said:

 

 

 

Is their population only 2.5 million?

 

Here in Laos, just 20 cases and no deaths in a population of 7 million...  ????

The current population of Taiwan is 23,827,187 as of Sunday, September 27, 2020, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.

 

Mistyped.  Thanks.

[tribalfusion001]

I can't reply for a couple of hours soon, I left my phone on the train on the way back from London. Luckily it was handed in and I had Find My Phone enabled.

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, Enoon said:

In my part of the UK approx 1 in 700 have died Covid related

In my village in the UK 2 people have died who used to drink in my local. That's 2 too many for my liking.

 

The rest of your post is irrelevant. Covid is spread by people not wearing masks, people not observing the social distancing rules and people not washing their hands often enough. Try asking a doctor rather than Easyjet cabin crew.

[Tippaporn]

19 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

There is too much conflicting infomation about covid-19 from expert medical doctors and scientists now to not question the official narrative. For the last couple of weeks the false positive rate has been discussed by Dr Mike Yeadon and Prof Carl Henneghan, around 90% or more of any positive covid-19 RT-PCR test is a false negative. The government don't want to answer the question and the policy is based on rising infections, but these new cases are not classifed as infectious or non infectious because the PCR test does not test for infectiousness just whether elements of covid-19 is in the RNA.

 

Fernando Verdasco the Spanish tennis player was banned from the French open as he tested positive, the week before he was negative and he took 3 more tests on his own to prove he was negative, all of these tests came back negative. The testing system is flawed and more testing just increases the amount of new cases. Both Dr Mike Yeadon and Prof Carl Henneghan explain it better than me, check out their videos on YouTube.

Thanks for that post.  Throughout this pandemic I've questioned the legitimacy of official numbers, whether deaths or cases or test results.  There's so much obvious chicanery afoot with this pandemic.  Politics. money and power no doubt play their roles.  Way too many stories pointing out inconsistencies and outright fraud to be found.

[Baht Simpson]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Your response is in utter avoidance and devoid of all other aspects of the effects of Covid.  Single mindedness in this case equates to simple mindedness.

Nonsense. I'm quite aware of other aspects of effect of Covid on the population but my post was purely about your use of the word tyrrany.  Your accusation that I am avoiding issues and the inference that I am simple-minded are beneath you.

[tribalfusion001]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Thanks for that post.  Throughout this pandemic I've questioned the legitimacy of official numbers, whether deaths or cases or test results.  There's so much obvious chicanery afoot with this pandemic.  Politics. money and power no doubt play their roles.  Way too many stories pointing out inconsistencies and outright fraud to be found.

I always questioned it even when I was in bangkok, it just doesn't feel right. I was told last week that if I went to the protest I would not be welcome to sit with some people in the pub anymore, fine with me, I believe in free speech and the right to protest.

 

When I get back I'll post some of the photos I took yesterday, give you a different insight to what was going on.

[Tippaporn]

14 minutes ago, polpott said:

In my village in the UK 2 people have died who used to drink in my local. That's 2 too many for my liking.

 

The rest of your post is irrelevant. Covid is spread by people not wearing masks, people not observing the social distancing rules and people not washing their hands often enough. Try asking a doctor rather than Easyjet cabin crew.

You couldn't be any more of a mainstream pundit if you tried.  LOL  These are all of the official wisdoms which are purported to be written in stone and beyond contention.  I have my doubts as to the true efficacy of many of these measures.  Oh, the heresy!

[tribalfusion001]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Makes one wonder as to why the intense overreaction to Covid.  Why the MSM seems to purposely fearmonger.  Doesn't make for any common sense explanation.

Preplanned economic collapse, The Great Reset, that is my theory and others are thinking the same. That's why the German doctor was arrested yesterday, the internet chatter on YouTube about his arrest is quite fiery language. I thought yesterday was more like a revolutionary movement that is gathering momentum, ordinary people that need to protest about virus control measures and a government that is corrupt. Mostly hand made placards, not much organisation, but raw energy and uniting people.

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You couldn't be any more of a mainstream pundit if you tried.  LOL  These are all of the official wisdoms which are purported to be written in stone and beyond contention.  I have my doubts as to the true efficacy of many of these measures.  Oh, the heresy!

You and others like you are the reason that the figures are soaring again and lockdowns are being re-introduced. Collective noun - covidiots. Previously known as flat earthers and in historic times luddites.

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

I thought yesterday was more like a revolutionary movement that is gathering momentum, ordinary people that need to protest about virus control measures and a government that is corrupt.

more like a bunch of morons acting like covidiots.

[Tippaporn]

9 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Nonsense. I'm quite aware of other aspects of effect of Covid on the population but my post was purely about your use of the word tyrrany.  Your accusation that I am avoiding issues and the inference that I am simple-minded are beneath you.

Then if you were aware why no mention of those other aspects?  The whole must be considered, not just a portion.  Tyranny is a strong word but it's fitting in my opinion.  Perhaps authoritarianism sounds gentler.

 

Sorry if you took exception to my equating single mindedness with simple mindedness.  It was not meant to refer to you specifically but was made as a general point to illustrate how a narrow focus can lead one to not see the forest for the trees.  It's an apt idiom in the case of many of the opinions expressed about Covid lockdowns, again in my opinion.  But apologies nonetheless.

[onthedarkside]

A series of posts with links to unauthorized news source videos have been removed and or edited, including one from a conspiracy/pseudoscience site.

 

[tribalfusion001]

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

more like a bunch of morons acting like covidiots.

Maybe you should open your eyes and do some research. Not everything is as it seems, authority needs to be questioned. There was nothing wrong with yesterday, I've been in big crowds before for football matches, raves and even Chinese new year in Chinatown BKK this year.

[Paradise Pete]

9 hours ago, Moonlover said:

The cracks are appearing in a number of countries now. Folks have, quite simply had enough of this now.

 

I've been of the opinion from the very early days that we should, once sensible precautions have been put in place to protect the vulnerable, let this disease run its course.

 

Mankind survived the flu pandemic of 1917/18 and collectively, our immune systems were probably the stronger for it. It's time to 'bite the bullet'.

 

Exactly! I mean, as long it's somebody else and nobody I care about. As long as "they" do the suffering and/or dying, because I've quite simply had enough of this now.

[polpott]

Just now, tribalfusion001 said:

Maybe you should open your eyes and do some research

Back at ya. Research has shown that wearing masks, social distancing and washing hands frequently is the most effective way of reducing the spread of Covid. A large crowd of covidiots being dicks is the best way to increase the spread of covid.

[Tippaporn]

15 minutes ago, polpott said:

You and others like you are the reason that the figures are soaring again and lockdowns are being re-introduced. Collective noun - covidiots. Previously known as flat earthers and in historic times luddites.

Insults win no debates.