EU and Britain far apart as key week of Brexit talks begins

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Need to keep the future proles as pliant and dumb as their parents, else the Tories might struggle to win elections in the future.

 

Schools in England told not to use material from anti-capitalist groups

The government has ordered schools in England not to use resources from organisations which have expressed a desire to end capitalism.

 

Soon the only source teachers will be allowed to use are those approved of by Glorious Leader Kim Jong Johnson. Supreme Leader for Life.

So it will be the Daily Mail. The Express. The Telegraph and the BBC (once the purges have been completed).

Children will be expected to read the "Little Blue Book" from cover to cover on a daily basis and join the Johnson Youth. 

Elections will be unnecessary owing to the fact we had an election in 2019 and its the will of the people.  

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

Your whole post deserves the contempt I'm going to give it, but at least you got it off your chest.

You cant argue with it though can you.

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Soon the only source teachers will be allowed to use are those approved of by Glorious Leader Kim Jong Johnson. Supreme Leader for Life.

So it will be the Daily Mail. The Express. The Telegraph and the BBC (once the purges have been completed).

Children will be expected to read the "Little Blue Book" from cover to cover on a daily basis and join the Johnson Youth. 

Elections will be unnecessary owing to the fact we had an election in 2019 and its the will of the people.  

Boris is making a level playing field, it's no good being in office if the left yields all the power, it's been a long time coming and the left don't like it. 'It's just not fair'.????????????

Edited September 29, 2020 by vogie

[bert bloggs]

recently all i seem to be reading is that economists think there will be a deal ,so lets wait and see ,i reckon there will have to be.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Boris is making a level playing field, it's no good being in office if the left yields all the power, it's been a long time coming and the left don't like it. 'It's just not fair'.????????????

Go one then. List the political commentators at the BBC which are left wing. Or SKY news. Or the Daily Mail. Or the Express. Or the Telegraph. Or the Sun. Or the Times. Or the FT. Or the Daily Star.

 

Basicaly the left has the Mirror. The Independent (sometimes) and Guardian (sometimes).

[pacovl46]

Give them a kick in the behind, a no-deal Brexit and then sit back with some popcorn and enjoy the show as the UK falls apart! After all they’re begging for it! ????

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Go one then. List the political commentators at the BBC which are left wing. Or SKY news. Or the Daily Mail. Or the Express. Or the Telegraph. Or the Sun. Or the Times. Or the FT. Or the Daily Star.

 

Basicaly the left has the Mirror. The Independent (sometimes) and Guardian (sometimes).

Don't insult my intelligence, the BBC is totally run by the left, but the times are a changing, the Home Office is run by the left, but the times are a changing. The police are run by the left, our children are being totally indocrinated by the left wing tutors, they cannot think for themselves anymore and.........the times are a changing and as McDonalds say "I'm loving it"

Andrew Marr.

Regarding his political affiliations, he was formerly a Maoist and a member of the Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory, an offshoot of the International-Communist League, now known as the Alliance for Workers' Liberty. At Cambridge, Marr says he was a "raving leftie" who handed out copies of Mao's Little Red Book and he acquired the nickname Red Andy.

I can't think of one presenter on Sky News that isn't a Tory hater.

Question Time has finished for the evening and as Arthur Askey used to say, it's happening "before your very eyes," enjoy.????????

 

[baansgr]

4 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

As opposed to a left wing government messing up, screwing their country for the benefit of the few (usually including their own extended families of course) whilst denying reality and persecuting any who dare disagree you mean?

 

Indeed, common sense seems not sensible at all.

If it hadn't been for the actions and personal policies of phoney Tony and other tree hugging bearded lefties, many of the leavers would have been quite happy staying within the European Union..The working class man has been pooed on from a great height by the supposedly workers party. Tony Benn, Ken Livingstone and Arthur Scargill whom I've all met and talked to are/were great true working class leaders and would never had let things get so bad. The elitist socialists living in the Shires haven't a clue about having to wait weeks for a DRs appointment, having to take your kids to a school 7 miles away as the one in the same road you live is overcrowded, no NHS dentistry available, expoteential crime rates and many other problems Tony and his gang created. The result to leave was done, get it finished and let's move on

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

IF we rejoin the EU that will be up to us. 

You mean: will be up to us to APPLY...

 

If the now 27 EU member states will accept the UK ( or England) again, is a complete different story. Just ONE veto is enough to block it.

[RuamRudy]

30 minutes ago, baansgr said:

If it hadn't been for the actions and personal policies of phoney Tony and other tree hugging bearded lefties, many of the leavers would have been quite happy staying within the European Union..The working class man has been pooed on from a great height by the supposedly workers party. Tony Benn, Ken Livingstone and Arthur Scargill whom I've all met and talked to are/were great true working class leaders and would never had let things get so bad. The elitist socialists living in the Shires haven't a clue about having to wait weeks for a DRs appointment, having to take your kids to a school 7 miles away as the one in the same road you live is overcrowded, no NHS dentistry available, expoteential crime rates and many other problems Tony and his gang created. The result to leave was done, get it finished and let's move on

Thank god we have men of the people such as Mogg and Johnson looking out for our best interests, real down to earth, solid and dependable, only interested in the wellbeing of their fellow man. Tories in power for a decade and poverty like many of us have never seen before, but think of Benn and Scargill! 

[RuamRudy]

5 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

You mean: will be up to us to APPLY...

 

If the now 27 EU member states will accept the UK ( or England) again, is a complete different story. Just ONE veto is enough to block it.

There will be no return to the EU for the UK because very shortly there will be no UK. It is currently on life support and the plug will be pulled on it very soon, thank god.

 

Lots of hard working people are doing their utmost to put it to sleep, hopefully as painlessly as possible, although there are the belligerent minority who will, no doubt, cause problems, but they are all talk and no trousers in the main; more to be pitied than scorned. 

Edited September 29, 2020 by RuamRudy

[baansgr]

22 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Thank god we have men of the people such as Mogg and Johnson looking out for our best interests, real down to earth, solid and dependable, only interested in the wellbeing of their fellow man. Tories in power for a decade and poverty like many of us have never seen before, but think of Benn and Scargill! 

The poverty created by the mess phoney Tony's gang created and left behind them while him and his wifey make speeches for 10,000s a pop

[DaveCW]

8 hours ago, PremiumLane said:

Well colour me shocked, another right wing populist government messing up and screwing their country for the benefit of a few. I guess common sense isn't so sensible after all

I may have missed something, but wasn't there a referendum, where the majority won? And the EU are all doing so well together lol lol lol - CANZUK if it happens will be better for parties and if it upsets our EU friends then theres the silver lining.

[3NUMBAS]

fish suppers are going to be cheaper in the years ahead whilst the fish thieves in euro land can starve or eat their bacon

[pagan1]

40 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

fish suppers are going to be cheaper in the years ahead whilst the fish thieves in euro land can starve or eat their bacon

Thieves ????  .......... So the UK sells the fishing rights for UK waters to EU companies years ago and now complains that those EU companies are using the assets they paid for !!! Perhaps we should be looking for the ministers who made such <deleted> deals for the UK and who trousered the money.

 

over a quarter of the UK’s fishing quota – 29% – was in the hands of just five families on the Sunday Times Rich List. The reach of this tiny domestic elite dwarfs the holdings of the many quota hoppers, who in total hold 13% of UK quota.     Source  https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/07/fishing-brexit-uk-fleetwood/

 

The full article is well worth a read and clearly explains how the UK failed to support UK fishing. how UK fishing rights have been divied out and why 'taking back our fish' is not as simple as some may believe

[CG1 Blue]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

IF we rejoin the EU that will be up to us. Our choice. This is of course a good example of how Scottish and English nationalism differs. Scotland is an outward looking nation on friendly terms with our European neighbors. England is not. We have no issue with freedom of movement.

To be fair, Scotland is so sparsely populated that immigration has had little impact on your country. The vast majority of migrants head for England. You have no issue with freedom of movement because you haven't really had to deal with it. 

If you want a population boost you don't need to join the EU. You need to improve your weather ????

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Don't insult my intelligence, the BBC is totally run by the left, but the times are a changing, the Home Office is run by the left, but the times are a changing. The police are run by the left, our children are being totally indocrinated by the left wing tutors, they cannot think for themselves anymore and.........the times are a changing and as McDonalds say "I'm loving it"

Andrew Marr.

Regarding his political affiliations, he was formerly a Maoist and a member of the Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory, an offshoot of the International-Communist League, now known as the Alliance for Workers' Liberty. At Cambridge, Marr says he was a "raving leftie" who handed out copies of Mao's Little Red Book and he acquired the nickname Red Andy.

I can't think of one presenter on Sky News that isn't a Tory hater.

Question Time has finished for the evening and as Arthur Askey used to say, it's happening "before your very eyes," enjoy.????????

 

Good grief. Straight out of the Faux news agenda.

Baseless assertions with no evidence.

Now Andrew Marr may have been a Trotsky in college but anyone can see his conservative establishment views in any interview he does. Patsy questions to the right and constant interruptions and deflection to anyone on the left. Now for the rest of the BBC. Andrew Neil. He just left the BBC for a new right wing channel called GB News. Laura Kuenssberg? Dont make me laugh vogie.  Might as well just put Josef Goebbels in the seat. Anyone who was even remotely left wing in the news department was hunted out and left years ago.

SKY news? Run by the Murdochs? And you think people like Adam Boulton are left wing? Kay Burley? Jon Craig? The only one who comes even close to impartiality is Beth Rigby. 

Question Time eh? With its constructed audience. No matter where in the country the program comes from the people sitting in the audience have a majority of Brexiteers. A majority of Conservative voters and a majority of Unionists. Fronted by the lovely Fiona Bruce who also uses the disrupt and deflect tactic against anyone not on the right and not pro establishment.

The civil service? Good grief man you cannot find a group more conservative than them. All the bosses are white, have a knighthood and were educated at private schools ????.

The police are left wing? Exhibit A m'lord. The miners strike. Where the police attacked the miners at Orgreave.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Orgreave#Media_coverage

 

The fact you think the media is left wing says far more about you than it does about them. They are right wing. Just not right wing enough for you. 

 

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

To be fair, Scotland is so sparsely populated that immigration has had little impact on your country. The vast majority of migrants head for England. You have no issue with freedom of movement because you haven't really had to deal with it. 

If you want a population boost you don't need to join the EU. You need to improve your weather ????

Agree with the weather thing. 

[baansgr]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

To be fair, Scotland is so sparsely populated that immigration has had little impact on your country. The vast majority of migrants head for England. You have no issue with freedom of movement because you haven't really had to deal with it. 

If you want a population boost you don't need to join the EU. You need to improve your weather ????

I always feel it's unfair the Scots have had a vote if they want to stay part of the UK and some now want a 2nd vote....why on Earth can't the English have a vote on if that want to kick The Scots out of the UK...seems only fair and would save us a fortune.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, baansgr said:

I always feel it's unfair the Scots have had a vote if they want to stay part of the UK and some now want a 2nd vote....why on Earth can't the English have a vote on if that want to kick The Scots out of the UK...seems only fair and would save us a fortune.

Well the Scots have created a party with the fundamental aim of extracting our country from this detrimental union. Why don't the English do the same rather than sit idly by and whine? 

[david555]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/29/brexit-brussels-rebuffs-new-uk-proposals-on-state-subsidies

 

Brexit: Brussels rebuffs new UK proposals on state subsidies
Paper on guarantees for struggling companies still leaves major gap with EU position

 

Daniel Boffey and Jennifer Rankin in Brussels
Tue 29 Sep 2020 18.19 BST

 

 

                                 

Boris Johnson has been rebuffed by Brussels after making an eleventh hour attempt to break the Brexit logjam with new proposals on limiting state subsidies to ailing British companies.

As the latest week of negotiations began, EU sources welcomed the UK’s effort to make a compromise with a submission of a new round of “negotiating papers”, but warned that a large gap remained between the two sides.

According to Brussels sources, the UK’s paper on state aid, the most contentious of the outstanding issues, offered to lay out a series of “principles” on controlling domestic subsidies.

 

 

more...

[kingdong]

11 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

In our gerrymandered parliamentary process, an 80 seat majority is meaningless in terms of describing popular support. 43% of the vote is the true picture of democracy in the UK - the majority forced to go where they don't want to go. 

well perhaps if the 57% had bothered to get off their harris,es and vote,you,d have got a " true picture of democracy "

 

[kingdong]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

 'It's just not fair'.????????????

nors frank brunos harris.

[AndrewMciver]

I keep hearing about state aid rules being a sticky point.

 

But what the hell has every country been doing during the pandemic - that's rite - 'state aid' saving most local companies. 

 

What utter horse manure. 

 

Also what the hell do we plan to invest with state aid. I keep getting told we want to invest in 'AI' etc - that this is somehow Dominic's brain child. But is this even viable? China, the USA, even India are miles ahead of us on these platforms. Do we have the education and population to even develop this sort of technology? We struggled with basic apps for covid. 

 

And fish? Something whilst it may be patriotic only makes up about 0.04% of the UK economy. To put it into comparission - lawnmowers give more to our economy than fish. 

 

Just sort out a fair trade deal. Half the xenophobic british population would be okay with curbs on immigration, the rest they have no comprehension off. 

 

Get a trade deal done and be done with. 

Edited September 29, 2020 by AndrewMciver

[kingdong]

13 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Probably election night if you were watching. Or maybe here, where I am regularly reminding anyone who may forget that Brexit was supported by barely a third of the country. 

democracy old boy,pity the other third of the country didn,t bother to vote,am sure brexit would have won by a landslide.

[kingdong]

4 hours ago, david555 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/29/brexit-brussels-rebuffs-new-uk-proposals-on-state-subsidies

 

Brexit: Brussels rebuffs new UK proposals on state subsidies
Paper on guarantees for struggling companies still leaves major gap with EU position

 

Daniel Boffey and Jennifer Rankin in Brussels
Tue 29 Sep 2020 18.19 BST

 

 

                                 

Boris Johnson has been rebuffed by Brussels after making an eleventh hour attempt to break the Brexit logjam with new proposals on limiting state subsidies to ailing British companies.

As the latest week of negotiations began, EU sources welcomed the UK’s effort to make a compromise with a submission of a new round of “negotiating papers”, but warned that a large gap remained between the two sides.

According to Brussels sources, the UK’s paper on state aid, the most contentious of the outstanding issues, offered to lay out a series of “principles” on controlling domestic subsidies.

 

 

more...

your post illustrates exactly why britain voted to leave .being dictated to by Brussels how much subsidy we,re allowed to give british industry,thought we voted for a common market in the 70s not an unelected dictatorship.

[kingdong]

7 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Good grief. Straight out of the Faux news agenda.

Baseless assertions with no evidence.

Now Andrew Marr may have been a Trotsky in college but anyone can see his conservative establishment views in any interview he does. Patsy questions to the right and constant interruptions and deflection to anyone on the left. Now for the rest of the BBC. Andrew Neil. He just left the BBC for a new right wing channel called GB News. Laura Kuenssberg? Dont make me laugh vogie.  Might as well just put Josef Goebbels in the seat. Anyone who was even remotely left wing in the news department was hunted out and left years ago.

SKY news? Run by the Murdochs? And you think people like Adam Boulton are left wing? Kay Burley? Jon Craig? The only one who comes even close to impartiality is Beth Rigby. 

Question Time eh? With its constructed audience. No matter where in the country the program comes from the people sitting in the audience have a majority of Brexiteers. A majority of Conservative voters and a majority of Unionists. Fronted by the lovely Fiona Bruce who also uses the disrupt and deflect tactic against anyone not on the right and not pro establishment.

The civil service? Good grief man you cannot find a group more conservative than them. All the bosses are white, have a knighthood and were educated at private schools ????.

The police are left wing? Exhibit A m'lord. The miners strike. Where the police attacked the miners at Orgreave.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Orgreave#Media_coverage

 

The fact you think the media is left wing says far more about you than it does about them. They are right wing. Just not right wing enough for you. 

 

calm yourse!f dear the bbc is run by left wing luvvies,and due to the antics of blm etc the police are now " taking the knee " and scared stiff of stopping and searching,even as the body count stacks up.

[herfiehandbag]

12 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

50% +1 is the will of the people isnt it?

 

Far less than half the people who voted actually wanted Johnson. 43.6% in fact. Less than the SNP's 45%.

The SNP are averaging 55% support in the next Holyrood elections.

 

Leaving the UK will mean tariffs between Scotland and whats left of the UK but we are getting tariffs forced on us anyway because of Brexit so who cares.

 

Scottish nationalism is not based on us believing we are better than anyone else. We just want to be the same as everyone else. English nationalism is based on exceptionalism. That England is better than other nations.

 

IF we rejoin the EU that will be up to us. Our choice. This is of course a good example of how Scottish and English nationalism differs. Scotland is an outward looking nation on friendly terms with our European neighbors. England is not. We have no issue with freedom of movement. You guys do. We voted to remain in the EU. You guys voted to drag us out. 

 

You Brexiteers can have as much of a strop as you want but the fact remains Scottish independence is not up to you guys. Its up to the people who live in Scotland.

 

What is it about Scottish independence that you fear so much?

Well if you want the blunt truth, that we will probably end up having to subsidise it, indefinitely.

 

Anyway, another thread discussing the UK and the EU hijacked by he Scottish Nationalists...

Edited September 29, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Well the Scots have created a party with the fundamental aim of extracting our country from this detrimental union. Why don't the English do the same rather than sit idly by and whine? 

we did ,england voted to leave the eu,thanks to nigel farage

[polpott]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

we did ,england voted to leave the eu,thanks to nigel farage

I couldn't think of a better reason not to vote leave. 555