EU won't accept Britain going back on Brexit deal, Germany's Roth says - magazine

[Bruntoid]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Yes they are still queuing up for deals. None of them care about your bruised EU egos or trick agreements. The world prefers UK, especially the US part of it. Don't rely on what comes out of the Democrats mouths. The tip of the iceberg for trade deals was only recently announced between the US and UK. More to come.

Bizarrely bereft of specifics - seems to be a common theme from Brexiteers 

[Rookiescot]

16 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Wikipedia's summary on the Sewell Convention and the Scotland Act opens with this paragraph:

"The Scotland Act 1998 devolved many issues relating to legislation for Scotland to the Scottish Parliament. The UK Parliament maintains parliamentary sovereignty and may legislate on any issue, with or without the permission of the devolved assemblies and parliaments."

 

It goes on to point out that:

"The convention under which the UK government uses legislative consent motions (such as the Sewell Convention) is not legally binding."

 

I think that educates me sufficiently!

OK then there is nothing to worry about is there?

I wonder who edited that wiki ?

What the Scotland act states is that all powers not reserved by Westminster are transferred to the Scottish parliament. Now some of those powers were already held by the EU.

Still following?

So when those powers were released from EU control they should be passed to the Scottish parliament. Westminster has not allowed that. It has grabbed those powers for itself. Thats strike number one.

Indeed one of the things contained in the Internal market bill is that a committee in Westminster will decide which laws passed by the Government of Scotland will be allowed. Now you can bet your life that committee will be packed with Conservative MP's most if not all of whom will not be Scottish. Thats strike two. Thats the bit that breaks the act of union.

It also allows Westminster to dictate spending in Scotland over things which are already devolved (Education, health that sort of stuff) and then send the Scottish Parliament a bill for that spending. So you can imagine Westminster spending a lot of money in Conservative constituencies and then telling the Scottish government they need to pay for it. Thats strike three. 

Now as you can see this is not going to sit well with the people of Scotland. 

So why is this stuff included in what was supposed to be a dispute with the EU? 

[bannork]

[elliss]

On 9/30/2020 at 8:29 AM, nobodysfriend said:

There will be no business at all if one of the involved parties has proven to be unreliable and not trustworthy .

Britain is just hurting it's own reputation and it's possible future relations with european countries .

A massive ' loss of face ' ... but who cares ...?

 

    Absolutely.

 i chose too depart UK , and live in Thailand .

  In summary , i do not vote on UK, elections, because i do not live in UK ..

Who cares , not me ..

 

Edited October 1, 2020 by elliss

[herfiehandbag]

10 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I wonder who edited that wiki ?

I haven't a clue, I wouldn't have the first idea how to go about that. That said, Wiki's statements are backed up by quotes from the various legislative sources, all there to read if you are that concerned.

 

it seems pretty straightforward to me. Your interpretation seems pretty convoluted to me, and you claims about packed committees and what they may or may not do purely speculative. I will stick with the straightforward interpretations.

Edited October 1, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, herfiehandbag said:

I haven't a clue, I wouldn't have the first idea how to go about that.

 

it seems pretty straightforward to me. Your interpretation seems pretty convoluted to me, and you claims about packed committees and what they may or may not do purely speculative. I will stick with the straightforward interpretations.

I wish what you say were true but it is not.

Actually thats not right. I'm more than happy to see Westminster take a dump all over the constitutional arrangements of the UK. It makes my life easier.

But if YOU had to speculate do you think it would make sense for that committee to be made up of English Conservative MP's or Scottish nationalist MP's?

[herfiehandbag]

10 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I wish what you say were true but it is not.

Actually thats not right. I'm more than happy to see Westminster take a dump all over the constitutional arrangements of the UK. It makes my life easier.

But if YOU had to speculate do you think it would make sense for that committee to be made up of English Conservative MP's or Scottish nationalist MP's?

I don't really wish to speculate, other than to say that as the Conservative Party has a substantial majority I rather expect that would be reflected in the various committees which conduct the governments business. That is rather the way it works, no matter which party is in government.

 

Anyway, with independence coming, and made so much easier by this(?), who is worried. As I have said before, I wish you would get on with it, I really do.

 

Meanwhile, if the Scottish Government wish to indulge in taking the UK Government to court, well then I suppose the cry is "fill yer boots". If the case were to fail, would Scotland have to pay the costs?

Edited October 1, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[Loiner]

28 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Bizarrely bereft of specifics - seems to be a common theme from Brexiteers 

Bizarrely not done the dance for you? Oh dear, not done any homework either...... again!

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I don't really wish to speculate, other than to say that as the Conservative Party has a substantial majority I rather expect that would be reflected in the various committees which conduct the governments business. That is rather the way it works, no matter which party is in government.

 

Anyway, with independence coming, and made so much easier by this(?), who is worried. As I have said before, I wish you would get on with it, I really do.

Thanks for that.

What I dont understand is why these clauses in what was essentially a bill to counter a dispute with the EU were even included.

Would you consider these acts to be fair? 

[herfiehandbag]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Thanks for that.

What I dont understand is why these clauses in what was essentially a bill to counter a dispute with the EU were even included.

Would you consider these acts to be fair? 

They may have possibly have been formulated to prevent the Scottish Government from colluding with the EU to undermine the UK's negotiations. Remember that these are intended as reserve powers rather than policies.

 

Early start tomorrow. Good night.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

They may have possibly have been formulated to prevent the Scottish Government from colluding with the EU to undermine the UK's negotiations. Remember that these are intended as reserve powers rather than policies.

 

Early start tomorrow. Good night.

Yeah I gotta run too but I will leave you with this.

4 SQN 7 Sigs > all ????

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Yeah I gotta run too but I will leave you with this.

4 SQN 7 Sigs > all ????

Scaley?

[robblok]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

IIRC there was a referendum which basically said do you want to leave or remain in the EU. The Leavers won that referendum.

 

Then there was a party election which left the Conservatives still in power and Theresa May in charge who pormised that the UK would leave the EU and promptly wasted a couple of years in pointless negotiation and gave away many opportunities of proper negotiation.

 

There was another internal election and Boris became PM.

 

He then held a general election on the strength of the UK will leave the EU on 31 December 2019. Again the remainers lost as did the Labour party.

 

We did leave on 31 December 2019 and told the EU that their would be a negotiation period after which the UK would have a negotiated agreement or leave without an agreement under WTO rules.

 

After several years or playing with Theresa May successfully they have tried to do the same with Boris. Now at this late hour they have realised that when Boris won the election he wasn't going to play their game and the EU has realised that the clock is ticking against them,m.

Lots of wishful thinking.

 

The EU knows the UK is going to leave its a done deal. So the EU negotiated a break in good faith.

 

Boris the same one who is in charge negotiated the treaty. Now he breaks it himself. 

 

No matter how hard you try to defend it internationally this just looks bad makes the Brits the laughingstock of the word.

 

The leavers don't want to accept it as they still think the UK has power. It has not, they need the EU more then the EU needs them.

 

Its time for the Brits to wake up and understand the days of the empire are gone and soon Scotland will be gone too. 

 

I perfectly accept the Brits are leaving, but they signed a deal and now broke it.  That is just not done.

 

So either Boris was sleeping when he negotiated the deal or he is just incompetent.

Edited October 1, 2020 by robblok

[robblok]

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

And I'd be a Dutchman!

You could never be Dutch we got standards. (not that they are that high but you don't meet them)

Edited October 1, 2020 by robblok

[impulse]

EU won't accept Britain going back on Brexit deal, Germany's Roth says...

 

I wonder if they kept the plans for Operation Sea Lion?

 

[CG1 Blue]

50 minutes ago, robblok said:

So either Boris was sleeping when he negotiated the deal or he is just incompetent.

More likely he agreed the WA to get Brexit done, knowing full well we could introduce legislation later on that would protect the UK from any dirty tricks from the EU. Clever I'd say. The Dutch would never have thought of that ????

[welovesundaysatspace]

8 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

More likely he agreed the WA to get Brexit done, knowing full well we could introduce legislation later on that would protect the UK from any dirty tricks from the EU.

So you are saying that your PM not only is breaking international law, he also tricked your parliament?

 

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Clever I'd say. 

Not surprised that Brexiteers celebrate fraud as “clever”. After all, the whole Brexit was built on fraud from beginning till now. Without all the voter manipulation, Brexiteers wouldn’t have been able to get a majority in the first place, so the fraud needs to continue. 

[CG1 Blue]

37 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

So you are saying that your PM not only is breaking international law, he also tricked your parliament?

 

Not surprised that Brexiteers celebrate fraud as “clever”. After all, the whole Brexit was built on fraud from beginning till now. Without all the voter manipulation, Brexiteers wouldn’t have been able to get a majority in the first place, so the fraud needs to continue. 

Firstly he is not breaking international law. He has introduced a bill to Parliament that when passed will allow us to protect trading rights for NI if the EU decided to use an extreme interpretation of the WA to block trade. In that extreme circumstance it may be necessary to break international law. But if the EU are trustworthy it won't be necessary. 

 

As for your second comment, I understand your pain being on the losing side in the referendum, and then having salt rubbed in the wound with the landslide election result. Call it all fraud if that makes you feel better. 

 

[Rookiescot]

11 hours ago, vogie said:

Scaley?

Indeed

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Indeed

Handbag?????

[Rookiescot]

Just now, vogie said:

Handbag?????

Hell no.

Radio Relay Tech. Highest paid job in the army.

Easy money.

[Surelynot]

10 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

So you are saying that your PM not only is breaking international law, he also tricked your parliament?

 

Not surprised that Brexiteers celebrate fraud as “clever”. After all, the whole Brexit was built on fraud from beginning till now. Without all the voter manipulation, Brexiteers wouldn’t have been able to get a majority in the first place, so the fraud needs to continue. 

Makes you feel proud to be be British......doesn't it?

[Mavideol]

On 9/30/2020 at 11:56 PM, NeoDinosaw said:

He was clearl, and knowingly lying when he said it was oven ready, a great deal, a fantastic deal.  Has the world not leaned that Bonkin' Boris cannot tell the truth ?

they (are) will start to see the outcome of their mistakes, more to come

 

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/more-than-7500-finance-jobs-left-britain-for-europe-brexit-banks

 

More than 7,500 finance jobs and a trillion pounds in assets have left Britain for the European Union, said consultants EY on Thursday.

[Mavideol]

19 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

no person can judge a case in which he or she is party or in which he/she has an interest.

Also known as:

• nemo judex in sua causa; or
• nemo debet esse judex in propria causa.

We have no reason to recognize that court. They have already shown themselves to have done that before and are therefore corrupt.

do you know the UK still under EU law/regulations until December 31st 2020, thus under law suit correctly filed under ECJ law

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1264260/Brexit-UK-supreme-court-ECJ-European-court-of-justice-eu-news-vat-ruling

This judgement illustrates the vital need to modify the parts of the withdrawal agreement, which will require the UK to be bound by rulings of the ECJ after the transition period ends on December 31 this year.”

 

https://www.cookiebot.com/en/uk-gdpr/

Well, now that the United Kingdom has left the European Union , the Withdrawal Agreement will be in effect until the end of the transition period, likely on December 31, 2020.

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

22 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

do you know the UK still under EU law/regulations until December 31st 2020, thus under law suit correctly filed under ECJ law

+4 years for all such matters