Macron launches crackdown on 'Islamist separatism' in Muslim communities

[Opl]

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Sure, if they're promoting violent Islamist ideology, otherwise any group has a right to express their opinions e.g. the yellow vests who do protest (whine?) a great deal.

As far as I know, yellow vest protesters (including all faith believers - unions, etc among them muslims- that is not the problem) did not;

- complained about not being able to pray while at work

- complained about what is teached at school

But it's true that Yellow vest protesters have heavily and durably harmed French economy in december while Xmas season is crucial for retailers.

You can't fix stupid. You don't kill yhe cow you want to milk.

so your comparison is irrelevant

Edited October 3, 2020 by Opl

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, Opl said:

As far as I know, yellow vest protesters (including all faith believers - unions, etc among them muslims- that is not the problem) did not;

- complained about not being able to pray while at work

- complained about what is teached at school

But it's true that Yellow vest protesters have heavily and durably harmed French economy in december while Xmas season is crucial for retailers.

You can't fix stupid. You don't kill yhe cow you want to milk.

so your comparison is irrelevant

As far as I know Muslims complaining about not being able to pray at work or what is taught at schools etc hasn't changed French laws. Can't see the point of talking further on this matter. looks as though we are far apart regarding right of Muslims to peacefully protest.

[bodga]

5 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

The consequences of Empire.

The consequence of belief  over science

[natway09]

Just ban religion worldwidw (root of all evil) just take a look at history,

& get on with our lives

[Opl]

34 minutes ago, simple1 said:

As far as I know Muslims complaining about not being able to pray at work or what is taught at schools etc hasn't changed French laws. Can't see the point of talking further on this matter. looks as though we are far apart regarding right of Muslims to peacefully protest.

Because we resist their demands ( veil etc)  but we are fed up to a point you can't imagine, stop fueling islamophobia and complain about it at the same time. 

If I need to hire some staff do yoU think I'm going to select someone who will show off his demands after a while ( once the critical number is reached), and then complain about discrimination;

If you want to live your faith like in muslim country, then France isn't for you. Period. 

Edited October 3, 2020 by Opl

[bodga]

1 hour ago, Opl said:

There is a red line: people with roots/ beliefs in opposition to our core values shouldn't be let free to change the fabric of our country.

It's as simple as that: it's not up to us to adapt to people who impose themselves and spit on our values. 

There is a price to pay when you decide to migrate, and it shouldn't be at the expenses of the host country.   

Yes  Ive certainly  adapted  here, now I drive without giving signals, speed , go thru red  lights, drive whilst  half  <deleted>, have all the kids on my lap in the front of the car, dont bother with insurance  or  tax, the handbrake is a brick, the back lights havent worked for years but  Ill put the one none broken winker on if I remember, the theres the old "do you  know who I am"  to  fall   back on should the <deleted> hit the fan and some imbecile throws them self under my wheels as I bypass the queues at traffic  lights  to nip tot he front because Im in a hurry, sorry  about the cloud  of smoke from the back of the car but removing all those damn filters and getting the chip done has  really perked  the <deleted>  up  no end,  but  thats  all ok as i dont get angry unless its  to  kill over nothing and I always  smile and wai afterwards, good-day

[JonnyF]

What was that sound I just heard? Was it one of Macron's testies dropping?

 

My mistake, it was the anchor being pulled up on the boat about to dump them in the UK.

 

Macaron makes your average bargirl look honest.

[The Theory]

This is the result of supporting same groups in some other countries, but you want to keep them out of France. 
A real dirty clown ???? 

 

Edited October 3, 2020 by The Theory

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Opl said:

Because we resist their demands (veil etc)  but we are fed up to a point you can't imagine, stop fueling islamophobia and complain about it at the same time. 

If I need to hire some staff do yoU think I'm going to select someone who will show off his demands after a while (once the critical number is reached), and then complain about discrimination;

If you want to live your faith like in muslim country, then France isn't for you. Period. 

If you want to live your faith like in muslim country, then France isn't for you. Period. 

 

 

 

 

Because we resist their demands

 

There you go, a secular democratic society working through issues. 

 

once the critical number is reached

 

Disappointing, I assume the comment is atypical right of centre conspiracy stuff. 

 

If you want to live your faith like in muslim country, then France isn't for you. Period.

 

With respect your attitude is not the way forward to resolve friction within your society or indeed any Western society as repeatedly articulated by Western security agencies. 

 

IMO, other than the southern border provinces in Thailand where the Thai government has misruled for decades, the Thai Muslim community are well integrated into Thai society. Perhaps there are lessons to be learnt by the French government. Macron has some good approaches to address Islamist ideology, although sucess cannot be measured for some time, hopefully the policies are a step in the right direction. 

Edited October 3, 2020 by simple1

[Opl]

Macron has just set the frame in moderate terms.

French people await acts that turn the tables.

 

[Benmart]

6 hours ago, Card said:

You should research what the bible says in support of slavery and antisemiticisn. It's all part of the same sh*t.

Haven't read much about Christian terrorism of late.

[candide]

3 hours ago, Opl said:

the impossible mission is to control what parents at home tell to their children - most of newcomers know nothing about France and are not interested - if not opposed- they have a unique guide -  no need for imams, it's hopeless. 

I am not sure the home channel is that significant. For example, most terrorists, as well as people who joined ISIS, have been brainwashed outside their familly. Actually, one of their main common characteristics was their poor initial knowledge of the Muslim religion.

[KarenBravo]

If people see something offensive in a magazine, then, most people would:

1. Ignore it.

2. Write a letter to the editor on why it's offensive.

3. Go around to the office and protest.

 

What they don't do is pick up a gun and murder people as a first resort.

[RocketDog]

25 minutes ago, Benmart said:

Haven't read much about Christian terrorism of late.

Read about the Spanish inquisition,but granted that's not lately. Right wing fundamentalists militias are though. 

The truth is that all religions that maintain themselves to be the only true one are preaching terrorism. Telling people they must believe or go to hell is terrorism in my book. 

[Opl]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

I am not sure the home channel is that significant. For example, most terrorists, as well as people who joined ISIS, have been brainwashed outside their familly. Actually, one of their main common characteristics was their poor initial knowledge of the Muslim religion.

That's what they tell us; most terrorists in France have already a record as outlaws, trafickers, etc.. often parents have little if no education, often the father-if present - doesn't work, religious diktats come as a justification to keep wives submitted, and the critic of our values - in France - the reason to their failures (discrimination). You have there a fertile soil for losers who'll turn their resentment and hate into killings. It's always the same pattern : victimisation and islamaphobia.

It's always someone elses' fault, ours.   

[RocketDog]

I'm still puzzled that Islam is so often referred to as a religion. It's  simply a culture/lifestyle that is almost wholly provincial and adaptation or tolerance of other belief systems is not a tenet. There is no concept of coexistence except on their own terms. As the Quran flatly states: infidels are to be executed, enslaved, or subjugated and taxed. 

 

The vast majority of Muslims that migrate to non-Muslim cultures have absolutely no intention of or interest in substantially assimilating. They fully intend to inexorably subsume any other culture they encounter principally by means of overwhelming birthrate. They make no secret of this. It is encumbent on a people to understand and confront these issues well before accepting large numbers of Muslims into their country. 

 

Islam is not secretive. What you see is what you get; to expect otherwise is willful blindness. Unbounded accommodation to Islam marks the inevitable eventual disappearance of a host culture. France, England and lately Germany are cautionary examples of this. The very history of the spread of Islam is proof. 

 

While I don't condone the way China treats its Muslim population it is clear they understand both the promise and the threat that Islam represents. Other countries would do well to consider it carefully. 

[olfu]

All religions must be private matter.

[simple1]

38 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

I'm still puzzled that Islam is so often referred to as a religion. <SNIP>

Based on your logic you could make the same conclusion regards Christianity i.e. incorporates elements of Judaism. However, all three are classified as Abrahamic religions.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

 

I trust Mods are OK for me to snip all the bile; if not remove the following.

There are differing schools of Islam interpreting the Koran in various ways, there is not a hegemonic interpretation of Islam. Unfortunately your post above reflects the usual right of centre rant.

Edited October 3, 2020 by simple1

[from the home of CC]

10 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

The consequences of Empire.

yes,  the effects of colonization are not unlike a case of herpes - a lifelong affliction...

[from the home of CC]

7 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

Just a by-product of the failed idea of multi-culturism.

Voluntary assimilation is the only way.

 - people assimilate on their own only when they feel welcomed..

[KarenBravo]

7 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

 - people assimilate on their own only when they feel welcomed..

Not true in this case. All unbelievers are considered inferior to believers of the "true faith". It's written in their Holy book. To think otherwise would be going against their religious training.

[from the home of CC]

1 minute ago, KarenBravo said:

Not true in this case. All unbelievers are considered inferior to believers of the "true faith". It's written in their Holy book. To think otherwise would be going against their religious training.

like Catholics, not all Muslims are brainwashed but for the ones that are you're correct..

[simple1]

54 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

Not true in this case. All unbelievers are considered inferior to believers of the "true faith". It's written in their Holy book. To think otherwise would be going against their religious training.

In the Koran Christians are respected as "People of the Book" have the same prophets and some shared mythology e.g. Noah. Also relevant are the 'Sword Verses' for times of betrayal / threat / war.

[RocketDog]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Based on your logic you could make the same conclusion regards Christianity i.e. incorporates elements of Judaism. However, all three are classified as Abrahamic religions.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

 

I trust Mods are OK for me to snip all the bile; if not remove the following.

There are differing schools of Islam interpreting the Koran in various ways, there is not a hegemonic interpretation of Islam. Unfortunately your post above reflects the usual right of centre rant.

i don't care for the nuances of the human insidious and destructive human invention of religion in all its forms. Classifications and details are irrelevant. So your learned link is pointless. I care about religious behavior and the problems it causes for all people. God is not Great. Religion spoils everything.

My interpretation is mine, as is yours.

[KarenBravo]

39 minutes ago, simple1 said:

In the Koran Christians are respected as "People of the Book" have the same prophets and some shared mythology e.g. Noah. Also relevant are the 'Sword Verses' for times of betrayal / threat / war.

Doesn't actually match their actions, now, does it.

In fact, most Muslims are killed by other Muslims as they belong to a different sect and are considered heretics.

 

Anyway, to lighten the thread.

 

The Thai weather has officially been designated as Muslim. It is either Sunni, or Shiite.

[Opl]

1 hour ago, from the home of CC said:

like Catholics, not all Muslims are brainwashed but for the ones that are you're correct..

Political Islam is a Trojan Horse in non muslim countries. 

[katana]

16 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Macron said a bill tackling Islamist separatism would be sent to parliament early next year.

Why wait?

Wouldn't surprise me if nothing actually happens and this is just quietly sidelined.

[onebir]

1 hour ago, katana said:

Why wait?

Wouldn't surprise me if nothing actually happens and this is just quietly sidelined.

Other legislation in the works &/ time necessary for drafting the legislation &/this is a reaction to the attempted Charlie Hebdo rematch the other day, and not so urgent?

 

(Does France have a more significant Turkish immigrant population? If so, given recent Turkish adventurism over oil/gas in the Med &/ Nagorno Karabakh, perhaps it's pre-empting Erdogan-inspired radicalisation?)

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory, posts removed.  

Keep it civil or face a suspension.  

 

[torturedsole]

6 hours ago, katana said:

Wouldn't surprise me if nothing actually happens and this is just quietly sidelined.

Until the next Bataclan, at least.