1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm guessing the pollsters didn't take account of Trump voters telling them they were voting Biden because of the reaction Trump voters get, or they were asking the wrong people.

I don't agree. The problem was getting a representative sample to poll in the first place based on how people communicate in this era compared to the past where everyone had a land line and most would answer their phone to any incoming number.

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

WOW, what a frustrating morning to wake up to. Still a cliffhanger and possibly not resolved for days.

 

IMO the Dems regretting that they didn't put up a better candidate. IMO it's doing so badly for them BECAUSE of Biden. If he can't do better against the "worst" president ever, it says much about him personally, IMO.

They also got it wrong, according to the exit polls that I've seen, that corona was the number one issue. Corona is third according to exit polls I've heard. The economy is first.

 

For sure, a lot of pollsters and the guy that was correct in predictions since 1984 are sweating, as their reputations depend on a Biden win.

Win or lose they've got egged as it's far closer than they were predicting.

 

Interesting to see the IMO biased media trying to spin it. The BBC had the popular vote as Biden 53 % ( if I remember the figure correctly ) and Trump as 0 %.

The presenters of the radio station I listen to are IMO biased against Trump and pushing the line that Biden is winning as much as possible.

 

Totally agree. The democrats should have walked this election but there's not many young savey billionaires willing spend their money on a 50/50 change of becoming president.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

The recount won't help him.

Again Biden us winning now.

Of course he hasn't won yet.

Yes its depressing that its so close and 45 course still win. That's a sad state of affairs considering yes 45 really is that bad. 

Change that to

 

Of course he hasn't won yet.

Yes its depressing that its so close and Biden on course to still win. That's a sad state of affairs considering yes Biden really is that bad. 

 

and I agree with it.

 

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's relative.

The Latino issue was largely in Florida because Latinos are very diverse. For example Cubans more likely to buy the lie that Biden  is a communist.

You're right that the polls look worse than in.2016 so there is going to be even.less reliance on taking polls seriously going forward. 

They tried but its become much harder to do them accurately. 

 

That's a good point and I wonder with Biden being a Socialist wether the uneducated assosiate this with Communism.

 

 

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Change that to

 

Of course he hasn't won yet.

Yes its depressing that its so close and Biden on course to still win. That's a sad state of affairs considering yes Biden really is that bad. 

 

and I agree with it.

 

 

I hate Trump for all he stands for (although I did have a crush on Ivana when she was in her prime ???? ) but in all honesty, he is the better of two evils. How sad is that.

 

1 minute ago, Chelseafan said:

 

That's a good point and I wonder with Biden being a Socialist wether the uneducated assosiate this with Communism.

 

 

Not IMO. IMO people looked at Biden and didn't like what they saw. Also it's possible he won't last 4 years.

 

Biden has been in congress for 47 years or something like that, and is, IMO, establishment to the core. Hardly a socialist.

IMO he's exactly what the people that vote Trump don't "like".

9 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

I hate Trump for all he stands for (although I did have a crush on Ivana when she was in her prime ???? ) but in all honesty, he is the better of two evils. How sad is that.

 

IMO that's a position that a huge number of those that voted for Trump take. They saw two bad candidates and voted for the least bad, in their opinion.

According to the exit pollsters voters supported Biden because they were voting against Trump, not because they liked Biden.

The US establishment now had TWO unpopular candidates, and they should be looking to understand why better people don't stand for the position.

 

I did have a crush on Ivana when she was in her prime

I'm pretty sure she was in a Playboy article many years ago when married to Trump, or maybe Penthouse. She was in his private jet. Not, to my recollection a centerfold or nude.

Biden wins Wisconsin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-05/us-election-live-updates-donald-trump-joe-biden-president/12849692

15 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

That's a good point and I wonder with Biden being a Socialist wether the uneducated assosiate this with Communism.

 

 

Biden isn't a socialist either but like most democrats believes in a bigger role in government for things like access to health care. The people calling the democrats communist will still usually like programs like social security.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Biden isn't a socialist either but like most democrats believes in a bigger role in government for things like access to health care. The people calling the democrats communist will still usually like programs like social security.

 

Sorry I misspoke,  I should have put "painted as a Socialist"

 

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not IMO. IMO people looked at Biden and didn't like what they saw. Also it's possible he won't last 4 years.

 

Biden has been in congress for 47 years or something like that, and is, IMO, establishment to the core. Hardly a socialist.

IMO he's exactly what the people that vote Trump don't "like".

You  can't have it both ways. If Biden lost in Florida because the Republicans successfully painted him a communist to enough Latinos imagine how they would have slaughtered openly socialist Sanders or further left Warren.

That said a more vital younger moderate democrat like Pete Buttigeig might have won the country more definitively. 

4 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Biden wins Wisconsin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-05/us-election-live-updates-donald-trump-joe-biden-president/12849692

Within 1% according to Politico so can go for recount.

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO that's a position that a huge number of those that voted for Trump take. They saw two bad candidates and voted for the least bad, in their opinion.

According to the exit pollsters voters supported Biden because they were voting against Trump, not because they liked Biden.

The US establishment now had TWO unpopular candidates, and they should be looking to understand why better people don't stand for the position.

Biden was much more personally liked than Hillary Clinton so you're wrong to say this race had the same dynamics of 2016.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You  can't have it both ways. If Biden lost in Florida because the Republicans successfully painted him a communist to enough Latinos imagine how they would have slaughtered openly socialist Sanders or further left Warren.

That said a more vital younger moderate democrat like Pete Buttigeig might have won the country more definitively. 

I never said Biden lost because painted a communist.

 

If you want to talk about that don't quote me.

 

I said people didn't like him.

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Biden was much more personally liked than Hillary Clinton so you're wrong to say this race had the same dynamics of 2016.

Perhaps so, but liking him more than her doesn't make him a good choice.

 

Bye.

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Within 1% according to Politico so can go for recount.

Which even the republican governor there says won't change the result.

45 wants to stop the counting in places he's winning and do extra counting in places that he lost.

He's a horrible hypocrite and desperate as well.

He so deserves to lose this.

But he hasn't yet won or lost.

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps so, but liking him more than her doesn't make him a good choice.

Perhaps not but it makes it easier to get votes from the lesser of two evils crowd.

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Within 1% according to Politico so can go for recount.

That's the rule but only 95% of votes counted yet.

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Within 1% according to Politico so can go for recount.

Recount wont get him 20,000 votes. Maybe 20. But he cant take that action until they formally declare the result which may take a week or so.

Just now, Sujo said:

Recount wont get him 20,000 votes. Maybe 20. But he cant take that action until they formally declare the result which may take a week or so.

Which means that the result may not be known for weeks. Not a good situation, but I can't see Trump going out quietly.

If he succeeds in winning, it's worth it, IMO.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/https://www.abc.net.au/news/

27 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/https://www.abc.net.au/news/

Same as Fox News! ????

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Same as Fox News! ????

 

Meanwhile the BBC are still sitting on the fence. The coverage this year has been appalling.

 

2 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

Meanwhile the BBC are still sitting on the fence. The coverage this year has been appalling.

 

ABC in Australia is same as BBC

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Same as Fox News! ????

So Trump has to find a new channel now

36 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

So Trump has to find a new channel now

OAN

Biden

Wins

Michigan!

 

Dudes it ain't over yet but the fat lady has left the buffet and is warming up her singing voice.

Just heard Biden talking on radio as if he has won already. Politico disagrees.

 

I fear that Biden will squeak in, and we will suffer the consequences, but I've always believed that things these days get worse for the common man, not better.

I say that not because I think Biden is going to be doing anything too bad as I don't think he'll be president for the duration, but I can't post my opinion of Harris.

 

Be careful what you wish for.

Biden speaks.

Diplomatically asserts confidence that he will be the next president.

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just heard Biden talking on radio as if he has won already. Politico disagrees.

 

I fear that Biden will squeak in, and we will suffer the consequences, but I've always believed that things these days get worse for the common man, not better.

I say that not because I think Biden is going to be doing anything too bad as I don't think he'll be president for the duration, but I can't post my opinion of Harris.

 

Be careful what you wish for.

No! He didn't say that he had won already. 

He said that he is confident that when the votes are counted that he will win.

That confidence is well founded.

 

You can carry on with your strange project fear about what a President Biden or Harris will do but with a republican controlled senate either one will be greatly limited.