UK sees goodwill for Brexit trade deal, open to 'sensible' fishing compromise

[RuamRudy]

16 minutes ago, BaronVonBangkok said:

You sound mad.

 

so you don’t care about democracy and the will of the people? About society and retaining our great British culture. About self rule. 

 

you only care about money. Selling our sovereignty to a German French alliance for a few % points. Sad. 
 

Lucky your the minority 

 

 

 

Mad? Can you elaborate, please? You keep making these expansive statements but thus far you have failed to offer any context. I appreciate that this is a very apt description of the entire Vote Leave campaign, but surely you can try to break the mould? 

[RuamRudy]

10 minutes ago, BaronVonBangkok said:

He’s a scots Nats ?

 

that explains the bitterness. Should have guessed 555

 

Bitter, me? Not at all - the pantomime is playing out just as I predicted several years ago, albeit without the prescience to foresee a pandemic being the thing which exposed how utterly unsuited to public office our corrupt clown of a PM actually is.

 

That aside, I couldn't have wished for a better Brexit. 

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

None of the ones on here seem to with the exception of Herfiehandbag.

But they all seem to be experts on military matters and indeed who has the right to be called a patriot or a Brit.

Your failing in this particular field leads me to assume you were either a TA wallah or a barrack rat on a biff chit ????

HTH

Edited November 12, 2020 by evadgib

[BaronVonBangkok]

23 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Mad? Can you elaborate, please? You keep making these expansive statements but thus far you have failed to offer any context. I appreciate that this is a very apt description of the entire Vote Leave campaign, but surely you can try to break the mould? 

Mad. You know, angry.

 

Like rab c nesbitt without the humor pounding away on his dell d620 while necking Bells whisky and cursing about the English lol

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, BaronVonBangkok said:

Mad. You know, angry.

 

Like rab c nesbitt without the humor pounding away on his dell d620 while necking Bells whisky and cursing about the English lol

 

I feel that I would justified if I was, indeed, angry, due to the needless despoiling of so much to satisfy only 37% of the electorate so that they can achieve something which, after 4 years, they still cannot define.

 

The 63% who have to suffer because of them have every right to be angry, but I am perfectly content. Everything is going swimmingly. 

[Mavideol]

Brexit – Another Deadline Gives Negotiators 7-Days to Wrap Up a Deal

 

According to the updates from the Biden-Johnson talk, a trade agreement will be hinged on respecting the Good Friday Agreement. Ahead of the Presidential Election, Democrats had delivered similar messages in the wake of the Internal Market Bill vote.

With the EU suing the UK over the Internal Market Bill and Biden’s clear message, the Brexiteers will need to tread carefully.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brexit-another-deadline-gives-negotiators-023646486.html

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, BaronVonBangkok said:

He’s a scots Nats ?

 

that explains the bitterness. Should have guessed 555

Ah the English exceptionalism just shines through eh? UK independence but no Scottish independence because empire and the need to Lord it over someone.

When it comes to bitterness you Brexiteers are off the scale. 

[7by7]

22 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Still missing the point. Oh well, never mind. The UK will be free of the CFP and that changes everything. What do you think the fuss is all about?  

 OK, what point were you making when you said 

On 11/11/2020 at 5:47 AM, nauseus said:

 

You seem to think that the EEZ is only concerned with fishing. What rubbish.

 

 

Yes, the UK will probably be free of the CFP, but some sort of arrangement, for example similar to that between the EU and Norway will need to be made to not only maintain historical fishing rights but also to maintain stocks of the most popular fish; under threat again, this time from climate change. 

 

 

[Mavideol]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/eu-seeks-brexit-bargaining-chip-050000520.html

(Bloomberg) -- Brexit talks are going down to the wire, and the European Union’s chief negotiator Michel Barnier is threatening British access to the continent’s single energy market as a way of extracting concessions on fishing rights.

 

 

 

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/eu-seeks-brexit-bargaining-chip-050000520.html

(Bloomberg) -- Brexit talks are going down to the wire, and the European Union’s chief negotiator Michel Barnier is threatening British access to the continent’s single energy market as a way of extracting concessions on fishing rights.

 

 

 

Oh I am sure these patriotic Brexiteers will not object to a windfarm in their back garden.

Its a small price to pay after all. 

[3NUMBAS]

evil lot arent they they can stoop to any depth thats why bojo will kick their a55ses

 

 

[7by7]

5 hours ago, BaronVonBangkok said:

John Major was the worst Tory PM of the last 40 years, except for Theresa May.

Apart from the current one.

 

5 hours ago, BaronVonBangkok said:

They were both extremely duplicitous. It's ironic that he talks about lies and breaking promises. He is lieing about us being told we would stay in the single market, the PM at the time David Cameron made it perfectly clear that we wouldn't.

Yes, Cameron, a Remain campaigner, did say that. But Johnson, Gove and many other Leave campaigners called his warning "Project Fear" and assured us we would maintain full and unfettered access to the single market. 

 

As a 'new' member you missed all the evidence posted here of Vote.Leave's duplicitousness on this point when your point has been made before.

 

5 hours ago, BaronVonBangkok said:

In his personal life, he didn't care too much about lies or breaking the promises he made to his wife when he had a 4 year long extra marital affair with Edwina Curry either. 

 What about Johnson? BONKING BORIS All of Boris Johnson’s women – a rundown of the affairs, flings and love-children left in the former Foreign Secretary’s wake.

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The identity of Boris’s latest alleged mistress remains unknown. But family members have made it clear it is probably one affair too many for Marina.

That was in September 2018. We now know, of course, the identity of that latest mistress: Two divorces, a lovechild and a mistress scorned: Boris Johnson's love-life takes centre stage (again)

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Affair with Carrie Symonds last year saw wife Marina Wheeler file for divorce

Their daughter Lara Johnson, 26, reportedly branded her father a 'selfish b******'

City lawyer Miss Wheeler, 54, put up with Mr Johnson's infidelity for many years.

 

[7by7]

4 hours ago, BaronVonBangkok said:

None of the 17 million Brexiteers served?

 

link please.

 He wasn't asking them; he was asking @transam and those others here who repeatedly call him and other Remainers 'anti British" because we not only have a different opinion on what's best for our country but also express it.

 

That's called democracy.

[3NUMBAS]

luftwaffe places large order ,,i see no probs with brexit so far

 

BAE deal supercharges UK economy as Germany orders £1.3 BILLION worth of fighter jets

BAE Systems has received a staggering £1.3billion order to produce 38 Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft for the German Air Force.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1359234/BAE-systems-fighter-jets-germany-eurofighter-uk-economy-news-jobs?__vfz=medium%3Dstandalone_content_recirculation_with_ads

 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

luftwaffe places large order ,,i see no probs with brexit so far

 

BAE deal supercharges UK economy as Germany orders £1.3 BILLION worth of fighter jets

BAE Systems has received a staggering £1.3billion order to produce 38 Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft for the German Air Force.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1359234/BAE-systems-fighter-jets-germany-eurofighter-uk-economy-news-jobs?__vfz=medium%3Dstandalone_content_recirculation_with_ads

 

 

It says something when the Brexiteers are cheering the Luftwaffe ????

[7by7]

14 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

evil lot arent they they can stoop to any depth thats why bojo will kick their a55ses

 

 

 

Evil? In what way?

 

Do you still expect to keep the bits of EU membership you like whilst ditching the rest?

 

I know that is what you were promised by Vote.Leave in 2016, but surely even you must have seen through that lie by now?

[tebee]

9 hours ago, vogie said:

 

The government is not ready for it, the country is not ready for it, business is not ready for it. The government is starting  to realize that there is no Brexit that will satisfy anybody and is arguing with itself and me at very well implode. 

One thing is for sure, you're not ready for it and you never will be.

Theresas Mays deal would have satisfied the remainers after all it was BRINO, but you chose not to support it, it is no good now crying over spilt milk, you missed your chance, greed got the better of the remainers. They thought that they could overturn the democratic decision that the UK had voted for, and that boat has now sailed, the remainers and only the remainers are the reason why we are where we are today, next time tebee grab your opportunities with both arms, you very rarely get a second chance.

 

 TM deal was not BRINO, it involved leaving the CU and SM, indeed it was these choices  that have doomed the subsequent Brexit to failure.

 

As for us not being ready, read this - 

 

 

[7by7]

14 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

luftwaffe places large order ,,i see no probs with brexit so far

 

BAE deal supercharges UK economy as Germany orders £1.3 BILLION worth of fighter jets

BAE Systems has received a staggering £1.3billion order to produce 38 Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft for the German Air Force.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1359234/BAE-systems-fighter-jets-germany-eurofighter-uk-economy-news-jobs?__vfz=medium%3Dstandalone_content_recirculation_with_ads

 

 

 

Had you read the article and not just the headline you would have seen

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Eurofighter is the consortium which represents the core nations’ industrial partners including Airbus, BAE Systems and Leonardo.

The company is operational with seven nations including Germany, Italy, Spain, the UK, Austria, Oman and Saudi Arabia........

BAE Systems will reportedly deliver more than a third of the components for each of the new aircraft ordered by the German Air Force.

This will include the aircraft’s front fuselage and tail with the final build being undertaken by Airbus in Manching in Germany. 

 So unless BAE Systems had decided to leave the consortium, they wold have got this contract Brexit or no Brexit.

 

Nice try, though.

 

Of course, what will happen in the future if there is no UK/EU trade deal and so under WTO rules components manufactured in the UK are subject to import tariffs when shipped to Germany, remains to be seen.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

 TM deal was not BRINO, it involved leaving the CU and SM, indeed it was these choices  that have doomed the subsequent Brexit to failure.

 

As for us not being ready, read this - 

 

 

Pfft....more project fear.....it'll be fine.....Gove said so.

[tebee]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Pfft....more project fear.....it'll be fine.....Gove said so.

 

And everything Gove says is true.......

[7by7]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

TM deal was not BRINO, it involved leaving the CU and SM, indeed it was these choices  that have doomed the subsequent Brexit to failure.

 Having studied both WAs, apart from the way of dealing with the Irish border, I can see little difference between Boris' and May's. Especially as Boris now wants to renege on the NI part of his!

 

Perhaps a Brexiteer can explain the differences for this simple soul? 

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, tebee said:

TM deal was not BRINO, it involved leaving the CU and SM, indeed it was these choices  that have doomed the subsequent Brexit to failure.

Oh come on tebee, are you telling us that May/Robbins would not have been more obliging than they already were, if Verhofstadt had have asked for No 10s Larry the the cat he would have got it, fried or boiled.

[tebee]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Oh come on tebee, are you telling us that May/Robbins would not have been more obliging than they already were, if Verhofstadt had have asked for No 10s Larry the the cat he would have got it, fried or boiled.

Boris's deal is May's deal with the Irish border move to the middle of the Irish sea . 

[nauseus]

37 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 OK, what point were you making when you said 

 

Yes, the UK will probably be free of the CFP, but some sort of arrangement, for example similar to that between the EU and Norway will need to be made to not only maintain historical fishing rights but also to maintain stocks of the most popular fish; under threat again, this time from climate change. 

 

 

 

Any sovereign state has special exclusive rights within its own EEZ w.r.t. the exploration and use of marine resources. Any agreement with other countries will need to be carefully considered by the UK to avoid a repeat of fish stock decimation and waste after decades of bad CFP policies, which are also responsible for the low stocks already in the Mediterranean. The migration patterns of some species have been altered to some extent by climate change but this has little to do with the issue and which has had far less effect on the health of fish stocks than the methods and greed of some continental European fishermen and their beloved EU CFP.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/eu-seeks-brexit-bargaining-chip-050000520.html

(Bloomberg) -- Brexit talks are going down to the wire, and the European Union’s chief negotiator Michel Barnier is threatening British access to the continent’s single energy market as a way of extracting concessions on fishing rights.

 

 

 

 

 

Aah threats again. Don't you just love all this goodwill! 

[nauseus]

57 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Oh I am sure these patriotic Brexiteers will not object to a windfarm in their back garden.

Its a small price to pay after all. 

 

Most us have.

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The migration patterns of some species have been altered to some extent by climate change but this has little to do with the issue and which has had far less effect on the health of fish stocks than the methods and greed of some continental European fishermen and their beloved EU CFP.

The greed wasn't with the European fishermen. The greed was with the small number of companies that owned the British fishing fleet and sold their quotas to the European fishing fleets. Some major contributers to the Tory party in those fleet owners.

[nauseus]

23 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

Had you read the article and not just the headline you would have seen

 So unless BAE Systems had decided to leave the consortium, they wold have got this contract Brexit or no Brexit.

 

Nice try, though.

 

Of course, what will happen in the future if there is no UK/EU trade deal and so under WTO rules components manufactured in the UK are subject to import tariffs when shipped to Germany, remains to be seen.

 

If they want the planes I'm sure they will work something out.

[7by7]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Any sovereign state has special exclusive rights within its own EEZ w.r.t. the exploration and use of marine resources. Any agreement with other countries will need to be carefully considered by the UK to avoid a repeat of fish stock decimation and waste after decades of bad CFP policies, which are also responsible for the low stocks already in the Mediterranean. The migration patterns of some species have been altered to some extent by climate change but this has little to do with the issue and which has had far less effect on the health of fish stocks than the methods and greed of some continental European fishermen and their beloved EU CFP.

 

Ah, I see; the point I had already made! 

[nauseus]

19 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Having studied both WAs, apart from the way of dealing with the Irish border, I can see little difference between Boris' and May's. Especially as Boris now wants to renege on the NI part of his!

 

Perhaps a Brexiteer can explain the differences for this simple soul? 

 

You are correct. They are both kerapp.