UK sees goodwill for Brexit trade deal, open to 'sensible' fishing compromise

[nauseus]

Just now, 7by7 said:

 

Ah, I see; the point I had already made! 

Er no.

[7by7]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 

If they want the planes I'm sure they will work something out.

 Yes, like move production of those parts to Germany, another EU member or a country with whom the EU has a trade agreement. 

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

The greed wasn't with the European fishermen. The greed was with the small number of companies that owned the British fishing fleet and sold their quotas to the European fishing fleets. Some major contributers to the Tory party in those fleet owners.

 

So then the greed was with the European fishermen then. The CFP was terrible for a long time - causing correspondingly long-term damage.

[7by7]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Er no.

 Er; yes.

 

On 11/10/2020 at 7:33 PM, 7by7 said:

 

It was the Common Fisheries policy; not the antiUK Fisheries Policy; it applied to all member states with a fishing industry; still does. 

 

The UK EEZ does represent a significant part of the area in which other EU member states are accustomed to fish. It is also worth recalling that the UK has never actually had exclusive control over its own 200-mile EEZ. When the UK joined the EEC in 1973 its fishery limits only extended out to 12 miles, and some other European countries already had historical fishing rights in the 6-12 mile zone (rights that were written into the UK’s accession treaty, and subsequently into the CFP). Beyond 12 miles were international waters, open to all. It was only in the late 1970s that the EEC Member States, acting in concert, extended their EEZs out to 200 miles, forming a de facto European fishing “pond” to which equal access had already been enshrined in the very first of the CFP regulations.(source)

 

As for quotas, or TACs, these were first brought in to protect dwindling stocks of the most popular North Atlantic fish; mainly cod which was approaching extinction. So harsh quotas were applied until the stocks had reached a more sustainable level. Licences to fish in a member's waters were issued by that member's government and UK government issued them to UK fleet owners. But unlike other governments they allowed those licence holders to sell their licences on to whomsoever they pleased.

 

So the many of the British fleet owners took the short term view, went for immediate profit and sold their licences to foreign fleet owners who were taking a more long term view and planning for the future. In so doing, the British fleet owners threw most of their employees onto the dole. (source)

 

 

 

[7by7]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 

So then the greed was with the European fishermen then. The CFP was terrible for a long time - causing correspondingly long-term damage.

 Already explained why you are wrong; see my quote in post above for an example of this explanation.

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Er; yes.

 

 

 

 

Marine resources means a lot more than a few wet haddock. 

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Already explained why you are wrong; see my quote in post above for an example of this explanation.

 

Quota selling/hopping/fiddling is a separate issue. I am talking about the greed of the continental fishermen in terms of catches and methods, which have been allowed and easily enabled by EU poor and biased policies. Now they are panicking because they have managed to fish the Med to death as well. Bravo EU.

[polpott]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Quota selling/hopping/fiddling is a separate issue. I am talking about the greed of the continental fishermen in terms of catches and methods, which have been allowed and easily enabled by EU poor and biased policies. Now they are panicking because they have managed to fish the Med to death as well. Bravo EU.

Its not a separate issue, it is the issue. Its the reason why we no longer have a viable fishing fleet. Not enabled by EU, enabled by greedy British fleet owners.

[luckyluke]

5 hours ago, transam said:

"Confused", yep, for once you are right.... 

 Being confused is nothing extraordinary. 

The emoticon "Confused" is used daily, and at abundance here on Thai Visa. 

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, polpott said:

Its not a separate issue, it is the issue. Its the reason why we no longer have a viable fishing fleet. Not enabled by EU, enabled by greedy British fleet owners.

 

Take some notice for a change. It is one issue. We were talking about declining fish stocks, not the declining UK fleet. 

[polpott]

41 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Take some notice for a change. It is one issue. We were talking about declining fish stocks, not the declining UK fleet. 

Not according to the OP. You haven't drifted off topic have you?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, polpott said:

Not according to the OP. You haven't drifted off topic have you?

 

Not like you just did.

[7by7]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Marine resources means a lot more than a few wet haddock. 

 

I know, I said so:

On 11/11/2020 at 11:41 AM, 7by7 said:

You've got me there! 

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Beyond its (12 mile) territorial waters, every coastal country may establish an exclusive economic zone (EEZ) extending 200 nautical miles (370 km) from shore. Within the EEZ the coastal state has the right to exploit and regulate fisheries, construct artificial islands and installations, use the zone for other economic purposes (e.g., the generation of energy from waves), and regulate scientific research by foreign vessels. Otherwise, foreign vessels (and aircraft) are entitled to move freely through (and over) the zone.

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As already said, in the 1970s the member states of the then EC agreed to establish a mutual EEZ.

 

In case you haven't noticed, it is fishing rights which are under negotiation. I don't recall any disputes between us and the EU over any of the other activities; unless you know different.

 To which you responded that I had missed the point!

 

Since I asked you what your point was, all you've done is plagiarise what I'd already posted!

[RayC]

4 hours ago, tebee said:

 

And everything Gove says is true.......

To be fair to Gove, his words from June 2016 have proven to be incredibly accurate:  " ..I came in the last few days, reluctantly and firmly, to the conclusion that ... (Johnson) ... was not capable of uniting that team and leading the party and the country in the way that I would have hoped."

 

On this occasion, wrt the country Gove is definitely speaking for me.

Edited November 12, 2020 by RayC
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[7by7]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Quota selling/hopping/fiddling is a separate issue

 Is it? Why? Because it was the UK government which allowed it to happen so you can't blame it on the EU?

 

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

I am talking about the greed of the continental fishermen in terms of catches and methods, which have been allowed and easily enabled by EU poor and biased policies.

Which policies would they be, then? How did they enable "the greed of the continental fishermen in terms of catches and methods?"

 

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Now they are panicking because they have managed to fish the Med to death as well. Bravo EU.

 The EU have been taking steps to halt the decline in stocks for some time; see A plan to save Mediterranean fish stocks.

 

Of course, more non EU members have a Mediterranean coast than EU members; and so more non EU members fish there. 

 

Not that you'd be bothered by that in your efforts to lay the blame at the door of the EU!

 

 

[7by7]

3 hours ago, polpott said:

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Take some notice for a change. It is one issue. We were talking about declining fish stocks, not the declining UK fleet. 

Not according to the OP. You haven't drifted off topic have you?

 

 Its S.O.P. for @nauseus when he's lost the argument. He'll either claim that he said the opposite of what he actually said or he'll claim he was talking about something else entirely.

[3NUMBAS]

barnier has thrown a strop cos he cant get his way

Barnier sparks huge row with savage Tweet as he hits out at Boris for refusing to cave

MICHEL Barnier took a break from Brexit negotiations to mock Boris Johnson's bid to free Britain from clutches of Brussels.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1359418/brexit-news-michel-barnier-level-playing-field-twitter-eu-trade-deal-negotiations

 

[7by7]

Strop; or humour?

 

 

When will you learn to read the article and not just the headline?

[transam]

13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 He wasn't asking them; he was asking @transam and those others here who repeatedly call him and other Remainers 'anti British" because we not only have a different opinion on what's best for our country but also express it.

 

That's called democracy.

You obviously do not see, or you dismiss, the "likes", given to those from across the channel slagging off the UK, and not only about Brexit stuff.

I and others do take note of that kind of stuff. 

"Democracy", more like treachery in a few cases here.......????

[evadgib]

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Edited November 13, 2020 by evadgib

[nauseus]

11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

 Its S.O.P. for @nauseus when he's lost the argument. He'll either claim that he said the opposite of what he actually said or he'll claim he was talking about something else entirely.

 

Should anyone be interested please read back through these posts and see who of us is full of it. Also see who's SOP includes claiming that the other party "lost" - this happens with rather boring regularity and is symptomatic of the real loser here. 

[polpott]

14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Also see who's SOP includes claiming that the other party "lost" - this happens with rather boring regularity and is symptomatic of the real loser here. 

As this seems to be the exclusive preserve of a number of Brexiteers, perhaps you'd like to name them.

 

Thanks for the smiley face in advance.

[transam]

Just now, polpott said:

As this seems to be the exclusive preserve of a number of Brexiteers, perhaps you'd like to name them.

 

Thanks for the smiley face in advance.

Try reading the thread, all will become clear.....????

[polpott]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Try reading the thread, all will become clear.....????

Try being less obtuse and rhetorical Sunbeam Rapier. There's a good chap.

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

As this seems to be the exclusive preserve of a number of Brexiteers, perhaps you'd like to name them.

 

Thanks for the smiley face in advance.

 

I wasn't replying to you, was I?

[polpott]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

I wasn't replying to you, was I?

7x7 wasn't replying to you but you still quoted him, didn't you?

 

And where's my smiley face? Do I, again, have to wait 12 hours for it? You're such a tease.

 

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by polpott

[transam]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Try being less obtuse and rhetorical Sunbeam Rapier. There's a good chap.

Try reading the many posts in the thread, you will find your own answer and not a biased one....????

[polpott]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Try reading the many posts in the thread, you will find your own answer and not a biased one....????

I've read the thread. And when have I ever claimed that you were biased? Childish, rhetorical yes, but never biased chap. 

 

Now come on, cheer up and give me a smiley face sunbeam.

 

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by polpott

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, polpott said:

7x7 wasn't replying to you but you still quoted him, didn't you?

 

And where's my smiley face? Do I, again, have to wait 12 hours for it? You're such a tease.

 

 

 

He took my name in vain and included my post - therefore I am entitled to respond accordingly. So there. No smiley either - maybe I'll feel like it later. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

I've read the thread. And when have I ever claimed that you were biased? Childish, rhetorical yes, but never biased chap. 

Biased, not from me, but as you have read the thread then you know and can now relax...

 

"Childish rhetoric", well that's a new one from you, no spelling mistakes from me today then.....  ????