Nearly 80% of Americans say Biden won White House, ignoring Trump's refusal to concede: Reuters/Ipsos poll

[Sujo]

3 hours ago, Barnabe said:

 

OP is talking about a poll where "80%" of voters say the election has been decided. And the media called the election too, rushing to coronate Biden.

The media don't get to choose the president, the voters do. Let the claims be investigated. It will give a clean victory to Biden and Trump won't have a leg to stand on.

 

Trump was investigated for 4 years for the supposed Russia collusion, but now we can't spend a couple of months investigating fraud reports?

What claims. Trump saying it does not a claim make.

 

If he has evidence then produce it. If not, then there is nothing to investigate.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, John1012 said:

when the lawsuits have all been serviced and any recounts requiring only legally properly verified votes are finished then perhaps the  country will have a president.

 

Any recounts wont be enough to give trump enough votes.

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, John1012 said:

when the lawsuits have all been serviced and any recounts requiring only legally properly verified votes are finished then perhaps the  country will have a president.

 

In the meantime we do have a president elect.

[candide]

7 minutes ago, John1012 said:

when the lawsuits have all been serviced and any recounts requiring only legally properly verified votes are finished then perhaps the  country will have a president.

 

What is the evidence that votes have not been "legally properly verified"?

Edited November 11, 2020 by candide

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, John1012 said:

when the lawsuits have all been serviced and any recounts requiring only legally properly verified votes are finished then perhaps the  country will have a president.

 

The first counts were exactly as you describe. Historically recounts almost never turn more than 200 votes. All the margins are much larger than that. Recounts won't do squat for Mr. Trump.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, candide said:

What is the evidence that votes have not been "legally properly verified"?

It's just the Mr. Trump style talking point that is the more polite way of accusing the democrats of stealing the election. The democrats did not steal the election. If they had they would have also "stolen" control of the senate and they wouldn't have lost seats in the house as well. 

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[Pattaya Spotter]

Considering how right all the polls were about the Biden "landslide" in the first place (Biden by 18% in Wisconsin anyone) and the "Blue Wave" in Congress and the Statehouses, I wouldn't put much stock in this poll.

[Eric Loh]

Just now, Pattaya Spotter said:

Considering how right all the polls were about the Biden "landslide" in the first place (Biden by 18% in Wisconsin anyone) and the "Blue Wave" in Congress and the Statehouses, I wouldn't put much stock in this poll.

Biden won. Trump out. That's all that matters.

[BobBKK]

7 minutes ago, Sujo said:

What claims. Trump saying it does not a claim make.

 

If he has evidence then produce it. If not, then there is nothing to investigate.

 

I have no idea if he has evidence as the Courts have not heard it but you are ASSUMING he does not. Why not wait?  Gore/Bush waited 4 weeks. I don't think the election will be over turned, unfortunately, but I am against the silliness of different states making up their own rules and counting ballots past the due date (until you get the result you want). The election DAY is the election DAY and we Brits at least have that bit right. I remember my vote in Brexit arrived late and was not counted - so be it!

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Biden won. Trump out. That's all that matters.

Yes, but I suppose all the dancing in streets (most wearing masks) all across the U.S.A. and some global cities when President Elect Biden's victory was announced did trigger Mr. Trump. But that really couldn't be helped. Such sweet relief! So now he hates not being the number one center of attention in the entire world, so he's acting out. Predictable but very annoying. 

Edited November 11, 2020 by Jingthing

[bodga]

why dont  they  just  give them two wheel chairs and a jousting tournament, last  man sitting  wins

[soalbundy]

new poll taken, 80% of Americans consider Biden won, that includes 50% of Republican voters. Trump will be crying under his sunbed. "Nobody loves me"......Melania, "Tell me about it"

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, bodga said:

why dont  they  just  give them two wheel chairs and a jousting tournament, last  man sitting  wins

Why would they do that? Biden won already.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, but I suppose all the dancing in streets (most wearing masks) all across the U.S.A. and some global cities when President Elect Biden's victory was announced did trigger Mr. Trump. But that really couldn't be helped. Such sweet relief! So now he hates not being the number one center of attention in the entire world, so he's acting out. Predictable but very annoying. 

Church bells in Paris and celebratory fireworks in London, Scotland and Berlin. Never had election victories celebrated in such fine form all over the world or perhaps a celebration of relief for a much hated and unpopular man. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Church bells in Paris and celebratory fireworks in London, Scotland and Berlin. Never had election victories celebrated in such fine form all over the world or perhaps a celebration of relief for a much hated and unpopular man. 

Yes it was very much reminiscent of when an oppressed people topple a dictator. 

[Masterton]

More "unbiased" polling and reporting from Reuters as usual. Nothing to see here folks.

 

Regardless of the media anointing Biden as "president-elect", he has not been certified the winner of ANY of the 50 states yet. There is a process. Whether or not he does actually win the election when all is said and done is of no consequence. The fact is that the election is not over yet, there are states where the votes haven't even been finished counting. The anti Trumpers, of which there are numerous on this forum, can sing dance in the street all you like and try and convince everyone that there is no way Trump can catch up or pass Biden with the amount of votes left to count, but you fail to take into account that there will be recounts and court challenges. And don't be so naive as to think that the claims of fraud and irregularity are "baseless" or that Trump's legal team "don't have any evidence" because they do and plenty of it. Once again the media is lying to you and you are too willing and eager to believe it. 

 

The fat lady has not sung yet. If you are so sure Biden has won, then let the process play out. Because you will look like fools if the results are overturned in court. Even if he wins, it will be 2+ months before he takes office. Just calm down.

[soalbundy]

1 minute ago, Masterton said:

More "unbiased" polling and reporting from Reuters as usual. Nothing to see here folks.

 

Regardless of the media anointing Biden as "president-elect", he has not been certified the winner of ANY of the 50 states yet. There is a process. Whether or not he does actually win the election when all is said and done is of no consequence. The fact is that the election is not over yet, there are states where the votes haven't even been finished counting. The anti Trumpers, of which there are numerous on this forum, can sing dance in the street all you like and try and convince everyone that there is no way Trump can catch up or pass Biden with the amount of votes left to count, but you fail to take into account that there will be recounts and court challenges. And don't be so naive as to think that the claims of fraud and irregularity are "baseless" or that Trump's legal team "don't have any evidence" because they do and plenty of it. Once again the media is lying to you and you are too willing and eager to believe it. 

 

The fat lady has not sung yet. If you are so sure Biden has won, then let the process play out. Because you will look like fools if the results are overturned in court. Even if he wins, it will be 2+ months before he takes office. Just calm down.

They won't be overturned and you know it, there is a psychological term for refusing to accept the inevitable, delusional, it's the way Trump sees the world. 

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5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Just because Trump did something, does it mean Biden should? Strange logic. 

Just because Trump asserts something, should Biden acquiesce in it? Trump lost. If he can't get over it, there's no reason why Biden should defer to him.

[PattayaJames]

43 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Church bells in Paris and celebratory fireworks in London, Scotland and Berlin. Never had election victories celebrated in such fine form all over the world or perhaps a celebration of relief for a much hated and unpopular man. 

 

Any fireworks in the UK were nothing to do with the US elections. LOL

#Guy Fawkes

[Opl]

51 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Church bells in Paris and celebratory fireworks in London, Scotland and Berlin. Never had election victories celebrated in such fine form all over the world or perhaps a celebration of relief for a much hated and unpopular man. 

Like every Saturday evening at 5.45 p.m., the bells of the Notre-Dame de l'Assomption church in Meudon rang to announce the 6 p.m. mass. It's not at all linked to US Election... 

Edited November 11, 2020 by Opl

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

In their last poll poll before the election Ipsos had Biden up by 7% nationally.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

I think Biden is now up 2.5 nationally. And his lead is increasing. So at most it looks like they were off by 4.5 points. To be charitable, let's triple that difference to 13.5 points. That would still mean over 65%% of the electorate believes Biden won. The laugh is on you.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

Trump's aggressive assault on election integrity is reportedly making some of his outside lawyers queasy

Lawyers at the firms helping Trump challenge the election results fear they're undermining the law and US elections, report says

Lawyers at law firms representing Trump campaign on election results challenge uncomfortable about undermining the rule of law

 

"Some senior lawyers at Jones Day, one of the country’s largest law firms and the law firm representing President Trump in his lawsuits challenging election results, are worried that it is advancing arguments that lack evidence and may be helping Trump and his allies undermine the integrity of U.S. elections, according to interviews with nine partners and associates."

[herfiehandbag]

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Trump's aggressive assault on election integrity is reportedly making some of his outside lawyers queasy

Lawyers at the firms helping Trump challenge the election results fear they're undermining the law and US elections, report says

Lawyers at law firms representing Trump campaign on election results challenge uncomfortable about undermining the rule of law

 

"Some senior lawyers at Jones Day, one of the country’s largest law firms and the law firm representing President Trump in his lawsuits challenging election results, are worried that it is advancing arguments that lack evidence and may be helping Trump and his allies undermine the integrity of U.S. elections, according to interviews with nine partners and associates."

Blimey, if the lawyers are worried about the ethics, then something is definitely dodgy!

[Phoenix Rising]

Even Tucker Carlson says Trump’s ‘fraud’ claims won’t change the result of the election

 

trump, if you haven't heard the fat lady hit the High C before maybe this will penetrate the ear wax.

[Eric Loh]

16 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Any fireworks in the UK were nothing to do with the US elections. LOL

#Guy Fawkes

Surely your go to Fox can be trusted.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/europe-celebrates-biden-win

[Phoenix Rising]

Presidential election was honest, report international observers invited by the Trump administration

 

"International election experts invited by the Trump administration to observe the U.S. election last week issued a preliminary report that found no evidence of the widespread fraud alleged by President Trump.

The State Department invited a 28-member delegation from the Organization of American States, which has reported on elections around the world, to observe the voting in the U.S. on Nov. 3.

Members of the OAS team were sent to battleground states such as Michigan and Georgia, where the Trump campaign has filed lawsuits alleging voter fraud, and noted in the report that it had “not directly observed any serious irregularities that call into question the results so far.”"

[luckyluke]

After 4 years of presidency of Mr. Trump, how does it come that not everyone in the U.S.A. voted for him ?

 

[placeholder]

45 minutes ago, Masterton said:

More "unbiased" polling and reporting from Reuters as usual. Nothing to see here folks.

 

Regardless of the media anointing Biden as "president-elect", he has not been certified the winner of ANY of the 50 states yet. There is a process. Whether or not he does actually win the election when all is said and done is of no consequence. The fact is that the election is not over yet, there are states where the votes haven't even been finished counting. The anti Trumpers, of which there are numerous on this forum, can sing dance in the street all you like and try and convince everyone that there is no way Trump can catch up or pass Biden with the amount of votes left to count, but you fail to take into account that there will be recounts and court challenges. And don't be so naive as to think that the claims of fraud and irregularity are "baseless" or that Trump's legal team "don't have any evidence" because they do and plenty of it. Once again the media is lying to you and you are too willing and eager to believe it. 

 

The fat lady has not sung yet. If you are so sure Biden has won, then let the process play out. Because you will look like fools if the results are overturned in court. Even if he wins, it will be 2+ months before he takes office. Just calm down.

And how will after following a guy who claimed he had won on the first night and said before the election that the only way he could lose would be because of fraud? What makes this whole exercise of calling for more investigatiions ridiculous is that it's that if the investigations show no significant fraud, Trump supporters will claim that the investigation was iself fraudulent.

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5 hours ago, Appu said:

Ipsos/Reuters polls told us 10 times in last 4 6 months that biden will win Florida and Texas, and that blue wave is coming. Only fools trust to them.

Nobody , not biden or trump should declare victory while votes are STILL counted, while at least one state doing recounts and 5 more are in lawsuits now for over 250k votes that come AFTER election date. 

Media-elect biden is in my opinion rushing to declare himself now, since he knows that there is no chance of win if 20% of fraud lawsuits are true and and all goes to trump controled supreme court. Well he don't know anything, his handlers do.

 

The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud

Election officials in dozens of states representing both political parties said that there was no evidence that fraud or other irregularities played a role in the outcome of the presidential race, amounting to a forceful rebuke of President Trump’s portrait of a fraudulent election.

Over the last several days, the president, members of his administration, congressional Republicans and right wing allies have put forth the false claim that the election was stolen from Mr. Trump and have refused to accept results that showed Joseph R. Biden Jr. as the winner.

But top election officials across the country said in interviews and statements that the process had been a remarkable success despite record turnout and the complications of a dangerous pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html