Trump files new election challenge, Georgia announces recount

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed

[Silurian]

Uh oh, looks like the vote canvasing in Wisconsin has netted Biden a few more votes. That recount hope starting to look mighty small for the MAGA team. 

 

56 of 72 Wisconsin counties complete canvasses resulting in minor vote shift

 

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As of Thursday, 56 of the state’s 72 counties had completed their canvasses. When you add up all of their totals, Biden gained 118 votes and President Trump lost 5 votes compared to the unofficial results for the state.

 

As shown, most canvassing and recount efforts only shift things a few dozen votes. Far from the tens of thousands of votes that would be required. But heck, MAGA team, you keep those hopes up!

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Silurian

[Phoenix Rising]

Rep. Denver Riggleman (R): We have a new president-elect

 

"Trump and his followers are on the 'crazy train' with unhinged election conspiracies. That really is, really, I think, the Island of the Misfit Toys at that point. You have crossed the Rubicon, you jumped on the crazy train and you’re headed into the cliffs that guard the flat earth at that time."

[Silurian]

And another domino falls... NBC has called Arizona for Biden. Even though other media outlets previously called Arizona, Biden's vote tally has become unsurmountable for Donald.

 

President-elect Joe Biden has won Arizona, NBC News projects

 

The latest vote count has pushed it over the edge.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

A closer look at the Trump campaign's election lawsuits — and why they've mostly failed

 

 

[Sujo]

Trumps lawyers narrowed their court complaint about arizona to be about 180/190 votes.

 

biden ahead by 11,400 votes.

 

So a complete waste of time.

[FarangULong]

Ugh, looks like I'll have to write it again...

 

I'm too lazy to type it all again, so here in a nutshell:

 

The election law was broken blatantly in PA. The State assembly ALONE decides when and how elections take place. The PA supreme court had NO right to make the judgement to allow the 3 day extension. See US constitution Article 1 Section 4, for further reference...

 

So there is a real chance, that the US Supreme Court might reverse that decision, essentially throwing out a large number of ballots. Considering Trump's early lead, which was at one point close to 700k (600 something thousand, if I am wrong I made a mistake, and it's not deliberate misinformation, but I am fairly sure his lead was that large...), this should suffice to give PA back to Trump.

 

In MIchigan they've discovered a "software glitch", which switched votes from Trump to Biden. One afaik was 6k votes, the other one 2,5k votes. Afaik that same software was used in counties all over MI. So there should be a recount there too, to make sure there weren't any more "glitches".

 

If the GA recount shows a different result, along with an overturned PA decision + a few more "glitches" detected in MI, that would suffice to change the election results. And that's just the stuff I know about.... A few days ago CNN (I believe it was CNN, again, not misinformation on purpose) published a list of Rep Senators, who as of then had NOT YET congratulated Biden on the "victory". It was around 40-45 (maybe more) of them. So a large chunk of the Rep. Senators...

 

Why would they tie their fate to Trump and his claims/lawsuits, unless they had been shown more evidence? Esp. the "young stars" of their party, like Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, etc...

 

You people keep screaming "where is the evidence?". Do you know how litigation works?

 

You don't tip your hand right away. You collect evidence, information, you investigate. ONce you think you have what you need, that's when you start the big suits. The stuff he has fired off so far, is nothing really. Small suits and countersuits etc. happen all the time, when big litigation cases are about to kick off. It's buying time, it's feeling each other out, etc.

 

In either case, I just want transparency. If it turns out Biden won, and there was no fraud, then that's good, no? Good in the sense, that it will restore faith in the electoral system, it will make many of the die hard Trump supporters reconsider their options, and it might spare you 4 more years of division, no? Not that I think healing the country will be that easy. After all most people won't forget, that they've been called racists, sexists, mysogynists, trans-&islamophobic and hwat not for years, over night.....

 

In either case, whoever wins congratulations and good luck to them. They will need it in either case....

[candide]

11 minutes ago, FarangULong said:

The election law was broken blatantly in PA. The State assembly ALONE decides when and how elections take place. The PA supreme court had NO right to make the judgement to allow the 3 day extension. See US constitution Article 1 Section 4, for further reference...

 

So there is a real chance, that the US Supreme Court might reverse that decision, essentially throwing out a large number of ballots. Considering Trump's early lead, which was at one point close to 700k (600 something thousand, if I am wrong I made a mistake, and it's not deliberate misinformation, but I am fairly sure his lead was that large...), this should suffice to give PA back to Trump.

 

In MIchigan they've discovered a "software glitch", which switched votes from Trump to Biden. One afaik was 6k votes, the other one 2,5k votes. Afaik that same software was used in counties all over MI. So there should be a recount there too, to make sure there weren't any more "glitches".

You are right about PA. However, the number of ballots concerned is too low to change the result.

In Michigan, it happened in a County with  GOP administration.  Are you claiming that local GOP administrations are cheating in order to make Biden win?

 

About your more general unsupported claims:

https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol

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31 minutes ago, FarangULong said:

Ugh, looks like I'll have to write it again...

 

I'm too lazy to type it all again, so here in a nutshell:

 

The election law was broken blatantly in PA. The State assembly ALONE decides when and how elections take place. The PA supreme court had NO right to make the judgement to allow the 3 day extension. See US constitution Article 1 Section 4, for further reference...

 

So there is a real chance, that the US Supreme Court might reverse that decision, essentially throwing out a large number of ballots. Considering Trump's early lead, which was at one point close to 700k (600 something thousand, if I am wrong I made a mistake, and it's not deliberate misinformation, but I am fairly sure his lead was that large...), this should suffice to give PA back to Trump.

You state as fact that the State Assembly alone decides. That's actually a somewhat new interpretation that's been floating around on the right for a few years. It's not settled law by any means. What dishonest source told you it was?

But even if the court decides that is the law, the dispute is about ballots that arrived after election day. The total turns out to be about 10000. A nothing burger.

Edited November 13, 2020 by placeholder

[shdmn]

So sounds like Hillary is going to run the DOJ and spearhead the trump prosecutions.  Rumor is that Soros is going to run the Federal Reserve. Pass it on to your trump supporting friends and relatives.  ????

[Phoenix Rising]

President Trump taps Rudy Giuliani to take over election legal fight: Sources

 

"President Donald Trump has installed Rudy Giuliani to lead the legal efforts he has mounted to resuscitate his failed bid for a second term in office, a move that comes after a series of court defeats Friday, two sources told ABC News. A spokesperson for Giuliani confirmed his expanded role for the president."

 

He must be tired of winning....seriously!

[Phoenix Rising]

Trump loses election lawsuits in Pennsylvania and Michigan, drops Arizona case

 

"On Friday, a Michigan judge rejected an injunction claiming election irregularities were rampant in Detroit's Wayne County.
Also on Friday, a federal appeals court in Philadelphia rejected Republicans' attempt to toss out 9,300 mail-in ballots that arrived late, CBS Pittsburgh reports.

And as President-elect Joe Biden's lead grew in Arizona, the Trump campaign dropped its legal challenges throughout Maricopa County, CNBC reports."

[Sujo]

15 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Trump loses election lawsuits in Pennsylvania and Michigan, drops Arizona case

 

"On Friday, a Michigan judge rejected an injunction claiming election irregularities were rampant in Detroit's Wayne County.
Also on Friday, a federal appeals court in Philadelphia rejected Republicans' attempt to toss out 9,300 mail-in ballots that arrived late, CBS Pittsburgh reports.

And as President-elect Joe Biden's lead grew in Arizona, the Trump campaign dropped its legal challenges throughout Maricopa County, CNBC reports."

From memory that 18 election lawsuits thrown out. He really is clutching at straws, which is evident in his using rudy now. 

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

From memory that 18 election lawsuits thrown out. He really is clutching at straws, which is evident in his using rudy now. 

Maybe Rudy has a laptop hidden somewhere with damaging information.

[Scott]

A post with an unapproved source has been removed along with off-topic posts.   This is a discussion forum.  

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On 11/13/2020 at 2:47 PM, FarangULong said:

 

You people keep screaming "where is the evidence?". Do you know how litigation works?

 

You don't tip your hand right away. You collect evidence, information, you investigate. ONce you think you have what you need, that's when you start the big suits. The stuff he has fired off so far, is nothing really. Small suits and countersuits etc. happen all the time, when big litigation cases are about to kick off. It's buying time, it's feeling each other out, etc.

Even if your contention that big lawsuit are preceded by small ones was true, you seem to be forgetting about one tiny element that would figure into such a strategy: time. Ya think Trump's lawyers have time to launch petty actions as a prelude to something big? Have you looked at a calendar lately?

[billd766]

On 11/13/2020 at 11:35 AM, Sujo said:

Trumps lawyers narrowed their court complaint about arizona to be about 180/190 votes.

 

biden ahead by 11,400 votes.

 

So a complete waste of time.

And money too. Who is paying for all these court cases and re-counts?

[shdmn]

48 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Even if your contention that big lawsuit are preceded by small ones was true, you seem to be forgetting about one tiny element that would figure into such a strategy: time. Ya think Trump's lawyers have time to launch petty actions as a prelude to something big? Have you looked at a calendar lately?

You are arguing with people who are willing to deny election results with 0 evidence and claim Covid is a hoax with over 250,000 American funerals.  They are beyond hopeless.  

Edited November 14, 2020 by shdmn

[Scott]

50 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And money too. Who is paying for all these court cases and re-counts?

In Arizona, all counties do a manual, hand count of a certain percent or number of ballots to make sure that the machine count is accurate.  

 

[cdemundo]

On 11/11/2020 at 11:39 PM, BaronVonBangkok said:

Obviously in the close states where there was a massive last minute swing. What are you scared of?

 

The media don’t get to decide the winner.

The last minute swing had been predicted and has been repeatedly explained.

Nobody is scared of a recount, but Trumpistas should be...because the margins are too big to be changed by a recount.

The voters decided the winner, the media only reported it.

Since the Washington to Adams transition the peaceful transition of power has been the hallmark of American democracy.

Trump and his Trumpistas would destroy that historic legacy and ought to be ashamed.

Their protests and lawsuits are meaningless, Biden is president elect, period.

 

 

[billd766]

12 hours ago, Scott said:

In Arizona, all counties do a manual, hand count of a certain percent or number of ballots to make sure that the machine count is accurate.  

 

But who is paying for the court cases that Trump keeps bringing up and seeing them tossed out?

Edited November 15, 2020 by billd766
bad spelling

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

But who is paying for the court cases that Trump keeps bringing up and seeing them tossed out?

The campaign still has funds. Or they're promising lawyers eventual payment. Nothing really sinister here.

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The campaign still has funds. Or they're promising lawyers eventual payment. Nothing really sinister here.

I would be seeking contingency fees up front should I accept a brief from them

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, RJRS1301 said:

I would be seeking contingency fees up front should I accept a brief from them

They might consider it an investment that will pay off later when solvent Republicans need them. At any rate, I don't think there's anything to be found in the funding source. Maybe just some billionaire Republican.

[Scott]

7 hours ago, billd766 said:

But who is paying for the court cases that Trump keeps bringing up and seeing them tossed out?

I think previous posters have answered this.  But it's worth noting that some of the law firms are withdrawing from the Trump Campaign efforts:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/law-firm-drops-trump-campaign-436418

[vinci]

Two more month, I really can't wait for this clown to be kick out of office, any body but him, I voted for Biden not because I like him it's because I can't stand the moron

[onthedarkside]

An unsourced claim re Georgia election news has been removed.

 

If you're going to post such things, you need to include a weblink to an original, credible news source.

 

[jcsmith]

With not much in the way of voter fraud, Lindsey Graham tried to put his finger on the scale...

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/16/lindsey-graham-georgia-2020-election-436910

 

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Speaking with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on Monday evening, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said the South Carolina Republican asked whether he could check signatures on mail-in ballots during Georgia’s recount and use a high frequency of mismatches to justify throwing away mail-in ballots in certain counties. Raffensperger said he took Graham’s comments as “an implication of look hard and see how many ballots you could throw out.”

 

[stevenl]

16 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

An unsourced claim re Georgia election news has been removed.

 

If you're going to post such things, you need to include a weblink to an original, credible news source.

 

Many sources for the found 2500 georgia ballots, e.g. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/hand-tally-georgia-presidential-race-continues-74237336

 

It won't affect the result with 1600 votes for Trump, 900 for biden, but shows it was good to do a recount.

[onthedarkside]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Many sources for the found 2500 georgia ballots, e.g. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/hand-tally-georgia-presidential-race-continues-74237336

 

It won't affect the result with 1600 votes for Trump, 900 for biden, but shows it was good to do a recount.

 

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Election officials said Monday that the hand tally had turned up more than 2,500 votes in one county that weren't previously counted but that that won't alter the overall outcome of the race.

 

The unofficial breakdown of the votes those votes was 1,643 for Trump, 865 for Biden and 16 for Libertarian Jo Jorgensen, according to Gabriel Sterling, a top elections official.

 

 

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Nearly 5 million votes were cast in the presidential election in Georgia, and Biden was leading President Donald Trump by about 14,000 votes.

 

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The hand tally appeared to go smoothly in most places, and the vast majority of the state's 159 counties had completed their work by Monday, Sterling said.