Half of Republicans say Biden won because of a 'rigged' election: Reuters/Ipsos poll

[Jeffr2]

17 hours ago, vandeventer said:

First Your after Trump, than your after Trump supporters. You say he is a bad President but you can't name one thing he did wrong. Tell me name one thing Biden did right in the 47 years of tax payers wasted money to pay his wages?

Easy. Tell 25,000 lies and misleading statements in 4 years.

 

You really need a better source for your news. Seriously.

[Jeffr2]

Half of Republicans say Biden won because of a 'rigged' election: Reuters/Ipsos poll

 

Easy to explain. They get their news from far right media outlets. Sadly, they fall for the fake news. And actually believe the lies told by politicians.

[Jeffr2]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/19/us/joe-biden-trump-updates/georgia-completes-its-full-recount-reaffirming-bidens-victory

 

After six days of hand-counting ballots, the Georgia secretary of state’s office reaffirmed on Thursday that President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. had defeated President Trump in the state, which had long been considered a Republican stronghold.

Edited November 20, 2020 by Jeffr2

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, newnative said:

Yes, indeed.  Luckily, he's a moron.

It's that sort of comment that makes some overtly support Trump when they wouldn't bother if the language on such threads was more reasonable.

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28 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's that sort of comment that makes some overtly support Trump when they wouldn't bother if the language on such threads was more reasonable.

Because Trump supporters are so appalled by nasty, vindictive, and abusive language?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's that sort of comment that makes some overtly support Trump when they wouldn't bother if the language on such threads was more reasonable.

Riiiiight....

 

Trump himself is always a perfect gentlemen and never resorts to name calling.  ????

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's that sort of comment that makes some overtly support Trump when they wouldn't bother if the language on such threads was more reasonable.

I'm not sure how one can expect such language when Trump's is at the opposite end of the spectrum from reasonable.

I suspect trying to reason with a Trump supporter is as futile as trying to disprove gravity.

[vandeventer]

On 11/19/2020 at 9:21 AM, spidermike007 said:

Trump has essentially started both a civil and a cultural war in the US. He has divided the nation, to a degree that has not been seen since the Civil War. He is an incredibly toxic and dark force. Now, it is 100% lies, and fake news. Anything but concede like a real man. And his devotees are drinking the kool-aid. No evidence whatsoever. The cases are getting thrown out of court due to lawyers showing up with zero, in the way of evidence. Such a sorry state of affairs. 

He just want's what is  right for the American people. He doesn't even want to be President but the way everything is going he feels he has to be. He is not a dark force but a light ,and real Americans know this.

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

He just want's what is  right for the American people. He doesn't even want to be President but the way everything is going he feels he has to be. He is not a dark force but a light ,and real Americans know this.

And the american people decided he should naff off. Real americans have told him.

[J Town]

23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I'm not sure how one can expect such language when Trump's is at the opposite end of the spectrum from reasonable.

I suspect trying to reason with a Trump supporter is as futile as trying to disprove gravity.

I heard it thusly:

 

Explaining facts to a 45 supporter is like explaining a 401k to my cat.

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

He just want's what is  right for the American people. He doesn't even want to be President but the way everything is going he feels he has to be. He is not a dark force but a light ,and real Americans know this.

He's about as dark a force as it gets. 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

He just want's what is  right for the American people. He doesn't even want to be President but the way everything is going he feels he has to be. He is not a dark force but a light ,and real Americans know this.

What's right for the people is that he come out of his bunker and do something on the rampaging pandemic and the increasing numbers out of unemployed and small businesses closing down. He should start thinking for the people rather than for himself. 

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9 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

He just want's what is  right for the American people. He doesn't even want to be President but the way everything is going he feels he has to be. He is not a dark force but a light ,and real Americans know this.

What was possibly his most noble act was the way he put all his businesses into a blind trust so that he coud in no way profit from his position. And in the same way refused to sign into law a tax bill that would have saved businesses like his tens of millions. Snd dies anyone recall how that light to the world volunteered to have his own resort in Florida used to host the G7 regardless of the cost to America and the otger G7 nations. Oh the nobility of the man! Not just man but saint. A veritable saint.

[Thomas J]

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

Regarding the rest of your post; speculation is not evidence

Heybruce

 

No speculation is not evidence.  That is why they have to investigate.  If you recall without even so much as a scantily of hard evidence the Democrats launched a two year assault on Trump including the appointment of a special counsel.  They did this with the full and complete knowledge that the bogus dossier used to start the process was bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton.  Given that history of manufacturing evidence it is only reasonable for the Republicans to see if similar dirty tricks were used to bump up the vote.  

I totally disagree with your statement that record turn out should have been expected.  With Biden you had rallies that could not even draw enough people to fill a bus.  Yet somehow that same lack of enthusiam translated into 80 million votes. 

[newatthis]

20 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

I totally disagree with your statement that record turn out should have been expected.  With Biden you had rallies that could not even draw enough people to fill a bus.  Yet somehow that same lack of enthusiam translated into 80 million votes. 

Maybe, people had already made their decision and rallies are just a waste of time and hot air. i've never been to a political rally in my life......my decision was already made. If I wanted Trump, a thousand rallies by Biden wouldn't change my mind. If I wanted Biden, a thousand rallies by Trump would just be a waste.

[Walker88]

26 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Heybruce

 

No speculation is not evidence.  That is why they have to investigate.  If you recall without even so much as a scantily of hard evidence the Democrats launched a two year assault on Trump including the appointment of a special counsel.  They did this with the full and complete knowledge that the bogus dossier used to start the process was bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton.  Given that history of manufacturing evidence it is only reasonable for the Republicans to see if similar dirty tricks were used to bump up the vote.  

I totally disagree with your statement that record turn out should have been expected.  With Biden you had rallies that could not even draw enough people to fill a bus.  Yet somehow that same lack of enthusiam translated into 80 million votes. 

 

Investigate what?  Baseless claims? Should we also investigate whether Elvis is alive and well and working at a 7-11 in Keokuk, Iowa?

 

45 and his minions keep throwing excrement at a wall hoping something sticks. Nothing has. Nothing will.

 

As for the Russia investigation, why don't you sit down and read the SSCI report, produced under the chairmanship of the Republican Party. It's 1000 pages, so will take some time. It notes 147 contacts between 45 officials and Russian intelligence types, not a single one of which was reported in anyone's SF86 security clearance application. It notes other intel that would have made it a gross dereliction of duty on the part of the FBI NOT to investigate. The investigation resulted in 32 indictments of GRU operatives, outlined in great detail the efforts of the "Internet Research Agency" to create false information about HRC. It also showed that a few days after being appointed Campaign Manager, paul manafort traveled to Spain to meet with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian intel asset, to hand deliver detailed polling data of 45's campaign, which the GRU then used to microtarget voters in key swing States with false information about, inter alia, HRC's health, Uranium One, etc.  Also noted in the SSCI Report was that 45 was aware, via communications from roger stone, what Wikileaks had (the hacked DNC and Podesta emails) and when they were going to release it. That means 45 committed perjury in his written answers to Mueller's questions.

 

Get the SSCI Report. Read it. Clearly you need the education, as your statement is at odds with reality.

[jcsmith]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

He just want's what is  right for the American people. He doesn't even want to be President but the way everything is going he feels he has to be. He is not a dark force but a light ,and real Americans know this.

Mitt Romney said it best: 
 

 

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24 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Heybruce

 

No speculation is not evidence.  That is why they have to investigate.  If you recall without even so much as a scantily of hard evidence the Democrats launched a two year assault on Trump including the appointment of a special counsel.  They did this with the full and complete knowledge that the bogus dossier used to start the process was bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton.  Given that history of manufacturing evidence it is only reasonable for the Republicans to see if similar dirty tricks were used to bump up the vote.  

I totally disagree with your statement that record turn out should have been expected.  With Biden you had rallies that could not even draw enough people to fill a bus.  Yet somehow that same lack of enthusiam translated into 80 million votes. 

Ya think the size of the Biden rallies might have anything to do with the fact that they didn't actually hold them because had they followed Trump rally rules (basically none) they would have violated CDC recommendations? Maybe, just maybe, Biden isn't so desperate for pproval that he would help propagate a pandemic just to satisfy that need. What contempt Trump must have not just for his supporters but for all Americans to be wiiling to have so many of them die just so he can stage rallies.  

Biden voters, not being misled by their candidate, quite properly decided  overwhelmingly compared to Trump voters to cast their votes by mail.

 

[Thomas J]

5 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Clearly you need the education, as your statement is at odds with reality.

Walker88

 

A party that would manufacture evidence to support an investigation knowing it was false would certainly have no problem with other misdeeds in the election.  In terms of proof against Trump.  I see no "deals" with Russia no payments from Russian sources.  I do however see deals in Costa Rica with Joe Bidens brother, I see deals in China with Joe Bidens son, I see deals in Ukraine with Joe Biden's son, I see a $3.5 million dollar payment from the wife of the deceased Moscow Mayor going to Hunter Biden.  I see a $500,000 speaking fee being paid to Bill Clinton by the firm who was promoting the sale of US uranium to Russia,  I see upwards of $150 million going into the Clinton foundation by the CEO of Uranium One plus other Russian sources connected to the deal.  So if there was any Russian Collusion it was with the Democrats

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/fusion-gps-clinton-campaign/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

 

 

[EricTh]

The democrats can also say that Trump won last time because it was a rigged election too.

 

If election was so easily rigged, then the democratic election process should have been abolished because it wasn't reliable.

Edited November 20, 2020 by EricTh

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11 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Walker88

 

A party that would manufacture evidence to support an investigation knowing it was false would certainly have no problem with other misdeeds in the election.  In terms of proof against Trump.  I see no "deals" with Russia no payments from Russian sources.  I do however see deals in Costa Rica with Joe Bidens brother, I see deals in China with Joe Bidens son, I see deals in Ukraine with Joe Biden's son, I see a $3.5 million dollar payment from the wife of the deceased Moscow Mayor going to Hunter Biden.  I see a $500,000 speaking fee being paid to Bill Clinton by the firm who was promoting the sale of US uranium to Russia,  I see upwards of $150 million going into the Clinton foundation by the CEO of Uranium One plus other Russian sources connected to the deal.  So if there was any Russian Collusion it was with the Democrats

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/fusion-gps-clinton-campaign/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

 

 

Even if all the nonsense you were contending was true, it has no  relevance to the Mueller investigation. So far none of the investigations launched by the Trump administration have brought any charges against any so called conspirators. Mueller did not absolve Trump of obstruction of justice chatges. And a federal judge severely scolded Barr for misrepresenting the contents of the Mueller report.

Edited November 20, 2020 by placeholder

[Jeffr2]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's that sort of comment that makes some overtly support Trump when they wouldn't bother if the language on such threads was more reasonable.

 

You care that much for a politician who lies to you everyday?  Seriously?  Wow.

 

2 hours ago, vandeventer said:

He just want's what is  right for the American people. He doesn't even want to be President but the way everything is going he feels he has to be. He is not a dark force but a light ,and real Americans know this.

From Russia?

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Thomas J said:

Heybruce

 

No speculation is not evidence.  That is why they have to investigate.  If you recall without even so much as a scantily of hard evidence the Democrats launched a two year assault on Trump including the appointment of a special counsel.  They did this with the full and complete knowledge that the bogus dossier used to start the process was bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton.  Given that history of manufacturing evidence it is only reasonable for the Republicans to see if similar dirty tricks were used to bump up the vote.  

I totally disagree with your statement that record turn out should have been expected.  With Biden you had rallies that could not even draw enough people to fill a bus.  Yet somehow that same lack of enthusiam translated into 80 million votes. 

Without evidence of election fraud there is no reason to hold up certifying the result and acknowledging the obvious; Joe Biden won by a conclusive margin in the popular vote and will win by a decisive margin in the Electoral College vote.

 

There was no "two year assault on Trump", there was an investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 US election and possible ties with the Trump campaign, and there was abundant evidence of both.  Russian interference was proven conclusively and several members of the Trump campaign were charged and convicted for dealings with Russia. 

 

Joe Biden made it clear he would let science guide his response to the Covid virus and he demonstrated this with small, safe rallies.  The Democrats also spent months promoting early and absentee voting.  Having a candidate who believed in science and public safety resulted in a record turnout.  The fact that Trump supporters aren't fans of science and public safety doesn't change the facts as observed.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Walker88

 

A party that would manufacture evidence to support an investigation knowing it was false would certainly have no problem with other misdeeds in the election.  In terms of proof against Trump.  I see no "deals" with Russia no payments from Russian sources.  I do however see deals in Costa Rica with Joe Bidens brother, I see deals in China with Joe Bidens son, I see deals in Ukraine with Joe Biden's son, I see a $3.5 million dollar payment from the wife of the deceased Moscow Mayor going to Hunter Biden.  I see a $500,000 speaking fee being paid to Bill Clinton by the firm who was promoting the sale of US uranium to Russia,  I see upwards of $150 million going into the Clinton foundation by the CEO of Uranium One plus other Russian sources connected to the deal.  So if there was any Russian Collusion it was with the Democrats

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/fusion-gps-clinton-campaign/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

 

 

All of the paranoid conspiracy theories you referenced were investigated and nothing inappropriate was found. 

 

The ongoing fascination with Uranium One is comical; I assume it is because poorly informed people find the word "uranium" scary. 

[vandeventer]

Even you Dems. must agree when Trump said you stick like glue on everything, whether your right, or far left wrong you stick together.

[J Town]

15 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Even you Dems. must agree when Trump said you stick like glue on everything, whether your right, or far left wrong you stick together.

I stick with provable facts and truth. Dems seem to have this in common. 45 supporters seem to be allergic to provable facts and truth.

[pkspeaker]

I don't understand why they hate trump so much.. the reality is the policy difference between Trump & Biden isn't very much.. separate discussion, wont get into it

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Just now, pkspeaker said:

I don't understand why they hate trump so much.. the reality is the policy difference between Trump & Biden isn't very much.. separate discussion, wont get into it

and utterly false.

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, pkspeaker said:

I don't understand why they hate trump so much.. the reality is the policy difference between Trump & Biden isn't very much.. separate discussion, wont get into it

Yeah, their policies are pretty much the same, except for those policies on the environment, human rights, alliances, science....

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2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Yeah, their policies are pretty much the same, except for those policies on the environment, human rights, alliances, science....

taxation, immigration, funding the military...