EU leaders deadlocked over recovery plan after Hungary, Poland veto

[ivor bigun]

1 hour ago, pacovl46 said:

 

???? Hey, don’t take my word for it! Google it yourself! 

I did ,and its nowhere even near your scare story , London will still be the hub ,

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Why?

You think its better being run by the dodgy guys in Westminster?

More questionable for Scots......

As for Westminster, that place is made up of 4 nationalities, including your own, we even had 2 Scot leaders there..

[Rookiescot]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

More questionable for Scots......

As for Westminster, that place is made up of 4 nationalities, including your own, we even had 2 Scot leaders there..

 

I think we would be better off run by our own dodgy guys rather than the dodgy guys you Brexiteers voted for.

[Kwasaki]

On 11/21/2020 at 1:40 AM, pacovl46 said:

Kick them out. All they do is wanting handouts anyway, but when it’s time to “do” they’re out, especially Hungary! Let them join the sinking ship called UK! ????

UK submarines don't sink. ????

[transam]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

 

I think we would be better off run by our own dodgy guys rather than the dodgy guys you Brexiteers voted for.

You mean the UK voted for.....????

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

You mean the UK voted for.....????

You are equating the UK with England.

Again.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

You are equating the UK with England.

Again.

How come, the House MP's come from the 4 corners of the UK, are you getting confused again...? ????

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

How come, the House MP's come from the 4 corners of the UK, are you getting confused again...? ????

 

Try reading my post again and figure it out. 

Of course I know that you already understand what I meant but simply dont want to acknowledge it.

We can chalk this up to another of your "moving the goalposts" replies.  

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Try reading my post again and figure it out. 

Of course I know that you already understand what I meant but simply dont want to acknowledge it.

We can chalk this up to another of your "moving the goalposts" replies.  

You should get over your anger of the English, sticks out a mile. Your King James created the union after becoming the King of England too, but you don't like it......Your King created a unified island, but you want to join the German/Franco club.......

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

I think we would be better off run by our own dodgy guys rather than the dodgy guys you Brexiteers voted for.

 

Fake news.

 

Scotland has a large representation of MP's at Westminster as well, thanks to the Blair Brown comedy act, the devolved Scottish government.

 

England does not have a devolved parliament pretending to be a sovereign one. And, suffers Scottish MP's deliberate interference in English only affairs.

 

Blair's awkward sop to buy off nationalists and keep Labour relevant in Scotland and Wales failed miserably. As clever as Brown flogging off the UK Gold reserves cheap.

 

Scotland has, currently, better representation than England. Only don't get so childish all the time when you can't have your own way!

[Baerboxer]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

You should get over your anger of the English, sticks out a mile. Your King James created the union after becoming the King of England too, but you don't like it......Your King created a unified island, but you want to join the German/Franco club.......

 

Nationalists - often driven by that huge entitled chip on their shoulder; racist xenophobia and prone to believing historical myths.

 

That's why they're so easily manipulated. 

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, transam said:

More questionable for Scots......

As for Westminster, that place is made up of 4 nationalities, including your own, we even had 2 Scot leaders there..

 

Actually, it's made up of one nationality - British! Bet that's what's on their passport. Although some might have more than one passport - just in case 555!

 

But none have a passport that gives their nationality as English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish.

[Baerboxer]

14 hours ago, puck2 said:

 

Transam, enjoy the schadenfreude. Imagine, we in the EU would "enjoy" it when "Great" Britain will be reduced to Little England some years after Brexit. Then EU TV-members will remember you:  some Brexiteers posting here....? "

 

The extremist leaders  in Poland and Hungary abuse the EU-rules that the 7-years EU-budget needs unanimity, although they drink the milk given by the EU.

 

Maybe, better probably,  they will miss some EU "milk" after the attempted extortion. Packed in the 7-years budget is the Covid recovery fund, too. Poland and Hungary again are receivers!

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah sure pal. And enjoy it when Russia and Turkey run the EU! 

[Peterphuket]

I think this is the biggest joke: https://www.rt.com/news/507491-erdogan-turkey-eu-membership/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Email

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Its an assumption that after independence Scots would still be Brits? 

 

Rather grand assumption. Like the assumption the SNP will dictate everything to every part of the UK; make any decisions they fancy and tell everyone else what they must do. 

 

Very typical nationalist socialist behavior.

 

Hungary and Poland are sticking up for themselves and won't be bullied by France and Germany. Others in the EU are more easily bribed and intimidated.

[puck2]

4 hours ago, transam said:

There ya go, a 100% anti-British post, and you forget your Little England came to your rescue, or are you from the Axis mob.......?

 

I guess we ae not talking about what happened ~80 Years ago, we are talking about the future. If you cannot differ between criticysing, discussing and being "anti-British", it's your problem of intelligence and common sense. 

 

Germany learnt by her WW II mistakes and luckily was supported especially by the USA. GB and France didn't play the revange card, very appreciated by the Gerrmans. 

 

That's one reason among others to forget nationalism and to think about ways that this will not happen again. Bigger structures than national states are the only way to act as a counterbalance against superpowers like China and the USA. It's a pity that the USA has shown within the last 4 years, you cannot relay on them. 

 

GB (or mabe some years later England) isn't a superpower anymore. But being part of the EU ....... you guess it.

Edited November 23, 2020 by puck2

[transam]

3 minutes ago, puck2 said:

 

I guess we ae not talking about what happened ~80 Years ago, we are talking about the future. If you cannot differ between criticysing, discussing and being "anti-British", it's your problem of intelligence and common sense. 

 

Germany learnt by her WW II mistakes and luckily was supported especially by the USA. GB and France didn't play the revange card, very appreciated by the Gerrmans. 

 

That's one reason among others to forget nationalism and to think about ways that this will not happen again. Bigger structures than national states are the only way to act as a counterbalance against superpowers like China and the USA. It's a pity that the USA has shown within the last 4 years, you cannot relay on them. 

 

GB (or mabe some years later England) isn't a superpower anymore.

You're the only one, today, quoting anything about super power etc and wants to forget, yet needs to down the Brits. ..But what the UK is, is now a free country, not kowtowing to the German/Franco stuff, the back door U.S. of G........So back off the slurs....

[puck2]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

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Hungary and Poland are sticking up for themselves and won't be bullied by France and Germany. Others in the EU are more easily bribed and intimidated.

 

 You are a laughing stock. The fact that they are able to stop the EU budget shows that "they are bullied by France and Germany" ?!  Please wake up and learn more about the EU.

 

The real problem is their antidemocratic behaviour! They ruin the 3rd power in a democracy, the JURISTIC POWER.  In this case: Would you like to support such a mob in a communmity of countries?

[vogie]

17 minutes ago, puck2 said:

 

 You are a laughing stock. The fact that they are able to stop the EU budget shows that "they are bullied by France and Germany" ?!  Please wake up and learn more about the EU.

 

The real problem is their antidemocratic behaviour! They ruin the 3rd power in a democracy, the JURISTIC POWER.  In this case: Would you like to support such a mob in a communmity of countries?

But are they able to stop the EU budget, France has suggested that the have a majority vote now, meaning what France and Germany want, France and Germany get. 

It seems to me that the EU has done a great job on conditioning its members, you will hear nothing negative said about this great regime, as I said before, you have all been telling us now for 4 years how democratic the EU is by all nations having a vote, and now that two nations haven't voted how Germany and France wanted them to suddenly the goal posts are being moved. That is not democracy, it is totalitarianism.

[david555]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

But are they able to stop the EU budget, France has suggested that the have a majority vote now, meaning what France and Germany want, France and Germany get. 

It seems to me that the EU has done a great job on conditioning its members, you will hear nothing negative said about this great regime, as I said before, you have all been telling us now for 4 years how democratic the EU is by all nations having a vote, and now that two nations haven't voted how Germany and France wanted them to suddenly the goal posts are being moved. That is not democracy, it is totalitarianism.

Like " prorogation of U.K.parlaiment " maybe .....? ????  Your democratic solution law  if needed by B.J. .... their E.U. democratic laws if needed by them E.U. 

 

Laws... Politicians play with it on any side  

[luckyluke]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

you will hear nothing negative said about this great regime,

Many of us European, man of the street, haven't any negative or positive to say about the E.U., as it doesn't influence at all our daily life.

Never read or heard something like :

Due to the E.U. there is now...

Thanks to the E.U. there is now...

 

Of course it may be different next year.

[candide]

23 minutes ago, vogie said:

But are they able to stop the EU budget, France has suggested that the have a majority vote now, meaning what France and Germany want, France and Germany get. 

It seems to me that the EU has done a great job on conditioning its members, you will hear nothing negative said about this great regime, as I said before, you have all been telling us now for 4 years how democratic the EU is by all nations having a vote, and now that two nations haven't voted how Germany and France wanted them to suddenly the goal posts are being moved. That is not democracy, it is totalitarianism.

France and Germany (along with 24 other coutries) very bad for not agreeing with proto-fascist regimes exerting political control on the Media, the Judiciary and other institutions able to check abuse of power by governments. Oh, they are so bad! ????

[Rookiescot]

3 hours ago, transam said:

You should get over your anger of the English, sticks out a mile. Your King James created the union after becoming the King of England too, but you don't like it......Your King created a unified island, but you want to join the German/Franco club.......

Wrong again. James VI who was also James I when crowned in England over 100 years BEFORE the act of union. 

The rest of your post is pure fantasy. 

[Rookiescot]

3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Fake news.

 

Scotland has a large representation of MP's at Westminster as well, thanks to the Blair Brown comedy act, the devolved Scottish government.

 

England does not have a devolved parliament pretending to be a sovereign one. And, suffers Scottish MP's deliberate interference in English only affairs.

 

Blair's awkward sop to buy off nationalists and keep Labour relevant in Scotland and Wales failed miserably. As clever as Brown flogging off the UK Gold reserves cheap.

 

Scotland has, currently, better representation than England. Only don't get so childish all the time when you can't have your own way!

 

There is currently 650 MP's in Westminster.

533 are from England.

Traditionally SNP MP's do not vote on English ONLY votes. Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem MP's from Scottish constituencies do.

If you want an English parliament then you need to start asking the government for one.   

[Rookiescot]

3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Rather grand assumption. Like the assumption the SNP will dictate everything to every part of the UK; make any decisions they fancy and tell everyone else what they must do. 

 

Very typical nationalist socialist behavior.

 

Hungary and Poland are sticking up for themselves and won't be bullied by France and Germany. Others in the EU are more easily bribed and intimidated.

 

I suggest you google the words British and Brits in order that you might learn their meaning. 

[Rookiescot]

3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Nationalists - often driven by that huge entitled chip on their shoulder; racist xenophobia and prone to believing historical myths.

 

That's why they're so easily manipulated. 

Yup.

The vote leave campaign manipulated millions into voting for Brexit. 

[CG1 Blue]

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yup.

The vote leave campaign manipulated millions into voting for Brexit. 

If you want to talk about manipulation, what about the Prime Minister and Chancellor of the Exchequer, the UK's two most high profile politicians going all out to frighten people into voting remain? Even spending £9 million of tax payers' money on sending a leaflet to every household in the UK telling them to vote Remain. 

 

Without all that manipulation the Leave vote would have been a landslide. 

[pixelaoffy]

8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yup.

The vote leave campaign manipulated millions into voting for Brexit. 

What nonsense ! The UK gov sent pro EU leaflets to every UK household before 2016 ref ! Still can't get over you lost and searching for lame  excuses 

[transam]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Wrong again. James VI who was also James I when crowned in England over 100 years BEFORE the act of union. 

The rest of your post is pure fantasy. 

That was Parliament, where I assume London was chosen over your lot....????

[transam]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Yup.

The vote leave campaign manipulated millions into voting for Brexit. 

I can't believe you wrote that, and what about SNP shield beating waffle to go it alone with your lot...????