I am unlikely to do business with a place that _______.

[KC 71]

Pet Peeves

 shoes outside places in a disorderly fashion -

i think i might have o.c.d ????

[ChipButty]

On 11/25/2020 at 7:00 PM, ChaiyaTH said:

 same shop required me having some passport or ID card to buy a fridge a few years ago....

You think thats bad? BIG-C wouldn't sell a farang a micro wave because he didn't have a work permit, That made the local news here in Phuket

[talahtnut]

I don't do any business with Thais, I get my scary missus to sort 'em out.

 

[ChipButty]

12 hours ago, moontang said:

A place, where people are putting ice in beer. 

And in wine

[jacko45k]

33 minutes ago, KC 71 said:

Pet Peeves

 shoes outside places in a disorderly fashion -

i think i might have o.c.d ????

Yes, immediately after you have negotiated the haphazard parking of motorcycles across the entrance. 

[CharlieH]

Off topic removed

[moontang]

I don't like the slamming of the dice cups on the bars, but have a good 1000 hours in at various video poker bars in Nevada.  

[CharlieH]

More off topic remarks removed.

 

Please stay on the topic opened.

[Leaver]

7 hours ago, talahtnut said:

I don't do any business with Thais, I get my scary missus to sort 'em out.

 

What about your business arrangement with her?  Do you use an agent to negotiate with her?  ????

[spidermike007]

8 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

Hardly a wine snob, you were only asking about all their cheap stuff.

That is relative. In the US, for $60 to $80, you can get a nice bottle of wine, at many restaurants. Here? Mediocre, middling, or uninspiring. Unless you are lucky, have a very deep knowledge of the currently available wine here, or have a good wine app, like cellar tracker on your phone. 

[moontang]

In the early 90s, the Canned Food Outlet in Berkeley was selling bottles of 1983 Chianti, in a wicker basket, with a serial number on the bottle for 1.99 USD.  I had a bigger budget and was drinking 1986 Charles Krug Cabernet for five bucks per bottle from a Palestinian liquor store.  The best, imo, Northern Italian restaurant in North Beach, at the corner of Grant and Vallejo sold bottles of Chianti for 12 bucks.  That left enough for Sambucca with fresh strawberries for dessert.

[Natai Beach]

16 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

That is relative. In the US, for $60 to $80, you can get a nice bottle of wine, at many restaurants. Here? Mediocre, middling, or uninspiring. Unless you are lucky, have a very deep knowledge of the currently available wine here, or have a good wine app, like cellar tracker on your phone. 

you get what you pay for. 
 

Champagne tastes on a beer budget.

[moontang]

1 hour ago, Natai Beach said:

you get what you pay for. 
 

Champagne tastes on a beer budget.

You never get what you pay for on imported items in Thailand. 

[moontang]

How bought beer coolers that display a temperature that could make a healthy human blow his eggs, hot dogs, and grits, all over the bar. 

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

you get what you pay for. 
 

Champagne tastes on a beer budget.

Absolutely untrue. Alternate facts. Fake news. You do NOT get what you pay for with wine, in Thailand. Everyone knows that. With 365% duty, you get average for high prices. That is not getting what you pay for, on any level.

[moontang]

Just now, spidermike007 said:

Absolutely untrue. Alternate facts. Fake news. You do NOT get what you pay for with wine, in Thailand. Everyone knows that. With 365% duty, you get average for high prices. That is not getting what you pay for, on any level.

And the shipping, heat, and lack of cellars hurt your chances even more.  They are more likely to knowingingly sell a defective product, and much less likely to give a refund. I tried the boxed <deleted> once, two price increases ago, and it wasn't nearly as good as Two Buck Chuck...maybe a bad month, but I would choose a shot of Robutussin over that sour liquid. 

[shy coconut]

On 11/25/2020 at 10:18 AM, ChaiyaTH said:

You are totally wrong there. First of all you have to compare it to costs and secondly you can't even find people working for less than 15-20K baht a month, which is nearly the same as Spanish and Portugese get with all their costs in EURO. Never heard them complain or use that as excuse to not offer service.

 

Last but not least, Cambodians working for way less but being very very service minded too. Vietnamese too.

 

Not to mention we nowadays also pay nearly the same (or more with for example wine and beer) than it costs in all those countries. And I hope you understand we are not talking about the service at a 50 baht pad thai street food place here.

Are you sure about the 15-20k baht monthly wage?

 

Most of the people I know work 6 day weeks in factories for around 8-10k 10 if they work 12

Hour shifts. 

[spidermike007]

14 minutes ago, moontang said:

And the shipping, heat, and lack of cellars hurt your chances even more.  They are more likely to knowingingly sell a defective product, and much less likely to give a refund. I tried the boxed <deleted> once, two price increases ago, and it wasn't nearly as good as Two Buck Chuck...maybe a bad month, but I would choose a shot of Robutussin over that sour liquid. 

 

I agree. Don't know how people can drink that junk. It reminds me of the $2 bottles of Mateus, or the $1 bottles. of Boones Farm strawberry wine, when I was 13. Back then, all I was trying to do was get a buzz going. And for a buck, it worked.

 

These days I look for a little inspiration in my wine. Life is far too short to drink inferior junk. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/25/2020 at 10:04 PM, spidermike007 said:

I know some on here will knock me for this, and call me a wine snob.

i-am-unlikely-to-do-business-with restaurants that think wine is important.

IMO while you think wine is important, others don't think it is at all. Big fuss about not much IMO.

Why do you expect THAI establishments to have someone on staff that knows all that stuff? Would you expect an egg specialist to discourse on the different types of eggs that they sell, or a noodle specialist to describe the different way noodles are cooked? Probably not, so why do you expect a wine specialist? Wine to most is just another item on the menu- not important at all.

Your waiter probably never drank wine, the owner might never have drunk wine, the entire staff might never have drunk wine, and probably don't care if farangs think it's important. Except for farang customers might not have more than wine coolers in stock.

The decor is what most customers want for their money, along with food THEY like.

Edited November 28, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, shy coconut said:

Are you sure about the 15-20k baht monthly wage?

 

Most of the people I know work 6 day weeks in factories for around 8-10k 10 if they work 12

Hour shifts. 

i-am-unlikely-to-do-business-with restaurants that have to pay their staff too much as it's probably hard to get staff for restaurants where farangs wobble on about wine all the time. They might have to pay extra to incentivise the waiters not to empty the wine bottle over the moaning customer's head.

Edited November 28, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/27/2020 at 1:56 PM, ChipButty said:

You think thats bad? BIG-C wouldn't sell a farang a micro wave because he didn't have a work permit, That made the local news here in Phuket

Another reason i-am-unlikely-to-do-business-with Phuket. I used to go there a lot but stopped when it became, IMO, a revolting dump with rip off taxis.

Edited November 28, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

How did a thread about  i-am-unlikely-to-do-business-with ....................................

become a thread about wine?

[HashBrownHarry]

52 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

i-am-unlikely-to-do-business-with restaurants that think wine is important.

IMO while you think wine is important, others don't think it is at all. Big fuss about not much IMO.

Why do you expect THAI establishments to have someone on staff that knows all that stuff? Would you expect an egg specialist to discourse on the different types of eggs that they sell, or a noodle specialist to describe the different way noodles are cooked? Probably not, so why do you expect a wine specialist? Wine to most is just another item on the menu- not important at all.

Your waiter probably never drank wine, the owner might never have drunk wine, the entire staff might never have drunk wine, and probably don't care if farangs think it's important. Except for farang customers might not have more than wine coolers in stock.

The decor is what most customers want for their money, along with food THEY like.

Your theory is flawed.

 

Wine ( in Thailand ) is considered a luxury item with good wine sold at good restaraunts.

 

If you wanteed ( as an example ) to buy a Porche here in thailand and went in the showroom would you expect the sales person to know about the vehicle, yes or no?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Your theory is flawed.

 

Wine ( in Thailand ) is considered a luxury item with good wine sold at good restaraunts.

 

If you wanteed ( as an example ) to buy a Porche here in thailand and went in the showroom would you expect the sales person to know about the vehicle, yes or no?

If you wanteed ( as an example ) to buy a Porche here in thailand and went in the showroom would you expect the sales person to know about the vehicle, yes or no?

 

Not in Thailand.

Edited November 28, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[HashBrownHarry]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not in Thailand.

You might be surprised.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, HashBrownHarry said:

You might be surprised.

Indeed I might be, but personally I don't trust anyone with anything to do with selling cars to tell me the truth, in any country. Which is why I get the car checked by people that do know about cars before I pay out for a car.

[HashBrownHarry]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed I might be, but personally I don't trust anyone with anything to do with selling cars to tell me the truth, in any country. Which is why I get the car checked by people that do know about cars before I pay out for a car.

People that work in high end watch shops are also knowlegable ( to some extent ) here in Thailand, the point is that the people selling premium products ( like wine ) should know at least something about it.

[4reaL]

17 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

 

$1 bottles. of Boones Farm strawberry wine,

 

You missed out on Night Train ?

[jacko45k]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If you wanteed ( as an example ) to buy a Porche here in thailand and went in the showroom would you expect the sales person to know about the vehicle, yes or no?

And if you wanted to buy a good wine in Asda in the UK would you expect the 16 year old stacking the shelves, or Muslim lady on the check-out till, to be able to recommend any?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, HashBrownHarry said:

People that work in high end watch shops are also knowlegable ( to some extent ) here in Thailand, the point is that the people selling premium products ( like wine ) should know at least something about it.

Difference IMO is that watches are a machine and anyone can learn about a machine. IMO wine is an individual thing and everyone probably has different ideas about wine, so the waiter has to be able to "stroke" the customer, as well as know a lot about hundreds of different wines.

Tell me, are waiters in restaurants that sell wine in Thailand just waiters, or are they special waiters that deal only with wine ( I believe there is a special name for them )? Sooooo, if only waiters why would anyone expect them to know much about loads of different wines, and all the boogaloo that goes along with wine. For all we know they were working in a rice paddy the month before they started in the restaurant.

 

IF they are special waiters that deal only with wine I WOULD expect them to know about such.

However, I suspect that while they may very well exist in LOS, they work in restaurants where posters on TVF will never be able to afford to dine. So, seems to me that some on here are expecting to get 5* service while paying for a 2* service.

 

i-am-unlikely-to-do-business-with-a-place-that- needs a waiter that deals only with wine.