Killing of suspected Iranian nuclear mastermind risks confrontation as Trump exits

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7 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

good news that some one has had the balls to take this dangerous guy out, but they should still use the bunker buster bombs to level the facility. BIden is an idiot if he thinks that he can 're engage' with those Iranian lunatics. Appeasement never works, I thought that the World had all learnt that in 1939, apparently subsequent generations have not learnt a thing. 

 On the subject of those who have"not learnt a thing" that would definitely include those who believe the nuclear agreement wasn't working.

[Pilotman]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 On the subject of those who have"not learnt a thing" that would definitely include those who believe the nuclear agreement wasn't working.

so an agreement to produce an agreed amount of enriched uranium, that the Iranians have comprehensibly  broken, is working?  That they now have enough to make weapons rather than for peaceful purposes, is working? That they have stopped Inspection of their underground enrichment facilities, in violation of that agreement, is working? Boy you have one weird idea of what 'working' means my friend. 

[riclag]

16 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

good news that some one has had the balls to take this dangerous guy out, but they should still use the bunker buster bombs to level the facility. BIden is an idiot if he thinks that he can 're engage' with those Iranian lunatics. Appeasement never works, I thought that the World had all learnt that in 1939, apparently subsequent generations have not learnt a thing. 

Brilliant

[dexterm]

28 minutes ago, ezzra said:

"western animals" are responsible animals, unlike Iran that want to conquer the world by sending troupes and occupying Lebanon, Iraq and parts of Turkey among others...

These supposed "western responsible animals" are the only ones who have actually used nuclear weapons to kill and maim hundreds of thousands, and in the case of Israel to offer them for sale to those other " western responsible animals"...apartheid South Africa!

 

Conversely, Iran had actually halted any possibility of developing nuclear weapons, until Trump reneged on the deal, and made it difficult for European partners to stick to their side of the bargain too.

Edited November 28, 2020 by dexterm

[Psimbo]

Pretty obvious which Middle Eastern State (interesting that no one ever comments about THEIR Nuclear weapons) will be behind this assassination.

 

Connecting the dots its clear now why the B-52s were forward deployed last week. 

 

The world is in a dangerous place at the moments with a certain person's dummy spitting- roll on 20 Jan. Be careful what you wish for when he just wants to screw things up out of pettiness.

 

Bubbas will have woken up with a woody this morning, failing to see that political assasinations are wrong- unless you are Saudi Arabia or Israel of course. They can act with inmpunity at the moment (as they always have with US top cover).

[Jack Mountain]

1 hour ago, Eindhoven said:

 

What a silly post. Does that include ''western'' animals?

What a silly Question. Of course!

[Psimbo]

1 hour ago, Jack Mountain said:

No mercy for animals who use their nature given talents for creating weapons. 

Does that include the US- the biggest exporter of arms in the world?

 

They provide weapons to Gov'ts that wantonly kill women and children on a daily basis. MAGA my backside.

[Pilotman]

8 minutes ago, dexterm said:

These supposed "western responsible animals" are the only ones who have actually used nuclear weapons to kill and maim hundreds of thousands, and in the case of Israel to offer them for sale to those other " western responsible animals"...apartheid South Africa!

 

Conversely, Iran had actually halted any possibility of developing nuclear weapons, until Trump reneged on the deal, and made it difficult for European partners to stick to their side of the bargain too.

BS

[Psimbo]

24 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

The agreement was cancelled by Trump because the Iranians had already broken the deal,  get the timing right. 

Errrr-No. Even his own intelligence services said that Iran was compliant. The biggliest brain in the room disregarded and disparaged them as it didn't suit his 'lets undo everything Obama did' agenda.

 

Not sure why I responded to you to be honest as its clear where you stand.

[Jack Mountain]

24 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

The agreement was cancelled by Trump because the Iranians had already broken the deal,  get the timing right. 

The other way around. Trump started ...  The international organisation who did the checking just had concluded that Iran still acted according to the agreement.

[ezzra]

8 minutes ago, dexterm said:

These supposed "western responsible animals" are the only ones who have actually used nuclear weapons to kill and maim hundreds of thousands, and in the case of Israel to offer them for sale to those other " western responsible animals"...apartheid South Africa!

 

Conversely, Iran had actually halted any possibility of developing nuclear weapons, until Trump reneged on the deal, and made it difficult for European partners to stick to their side of the bargain too.

Your premise and argument would have hold water if it wasn't about Iran trying to get the bomb, any other country you could trust, not Iran though in any way you look at it, and nothing in their track records will make anyone believe them that they are developing the bomb for peaceful purposes...

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14 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

so an agreement to produce an agreed amount of enriched uranium, that the Iranians have comprehensibly  broken, is working?  That they now have enough to make weapons rather than for peaceful purposes, is working? That they have stopped Inspection of their underground enrichment facilities, in violation of that agreement, is working? Boy you have one weird idea of what 'working' means my friend. 

It was working fine until Trum pulled out and declared economic warfare on Iran. He attacked the very incentives that induced Iran to subscribe to the agreement.

[Thorgal]

32 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

The agreement was cancelled by Trump because the Iranians had already broken the deal,  get the timing right. 

 

Can you provide a link that the Iranians left the JCPOA before the US ?

[Pilotman]

Just now, Jack Mountain said:

The other way around. Trump started ...  The international organisation who did the checking just had concluded that Iran still acted according to the agreement.

wrong again.  The Iranians agreed the number and size of the  centrifuges they were allowed, they broke that immediately, meaning that they could quickly produce the depleted uranium needed for weapons.  This has nothing at all to do with peaceful purposes as the West had offered to supply uranium for that purpose. They are lying, duplicitous, obfuscating,  lunatics with a death wish, the death of the rest of us.  

[Pilotman]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It was working fine until Trum pulled out and declared economic warfare on Iran. He attacked the very incentives that induced Iran to subscribe to the agreement.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. See my post above.  They broke the agreement before the ink was dry. 

Edited November 28, 2020 by Pilotman

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3 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Your premise and argument would have hold water if it wasn't about Iran trying to get the bomb, any other country you could trust, not Iran though in any way you look at it, and nothing in their track records will make anyone believe them that they are developing the bomb for peaceful purposes...

The IAEA repeatedly determined that Iran was subscribing to the agreement until some time after America drclared economic was on Iran. Stop making things up.

And far more worrying is the Trump administration's push for the megalomanical and trigger happy MBS to be allowed to have  nuclear fuel enriched in Saudi Arabia.

[AgMech Cowboy]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

will also complicate any effort by U.S. President-elect Joe Biden to revive the detente of Barack Obama's presidency.

He'll just show up with a pallet full of cash and all will be forgiven. Curses to American. Curses to D. Trump. Hurrah for Joe B.

 

(Moderators!!! Really!! More Reuters rubbish.)

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1 minute ago, Pilotman said:

There are none so blind as those who will not see. 

Except those who hallucinate things that don' exist. Recall the issue of "weapons of mass destruction"?

[simple1]

7 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

so an agreement to produce an agreed amount of enriched uranium, that the Iranians have comprehensibly  broken, is working?  That they now have enough to make weapons rather than for peaceful purposes, is working? That they have stopped Inspection of their underground enrichment facilities, in violation of that agreement, is working? Boy you have one weird idea of what 'working' means my friend. 

 

Until trump unilaterally broke the agreement, Iran was in compliance, verified by IAEA. No-one knows the consequences should the U S / Israel unilaterally commence bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities; it is an extremely high risk approach which has been rejected by trump administration US senior defence officials.

 

trump is focussed on creating as much grief as possible for the incoming Biden presidency which is purely self serving, not for the good of the American people. IMO history will judge trump harshly.

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2 minutes ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

He'll just show up with a pallet full of cash and all will be forgiven. Curses to American. Curses to D. Trump. Hurrah for Joe B.

 

(Moderators!!! Really!! More Reuters rubbish.)

Reflexive nonsense. For more information on the subject look up Pavlov, Ivan.

[Pilotman]

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Nuclear-Diplomacy-With-Iran

 

my last post on this subject.  read this all you doubters and then tell us all that you can trust those Iranian lunatics.  

[Pilotman]

11 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Can you provide a link that the Iranians left the JCPOA before the US ?

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Nuclear-Diplomacy-With-Iran

[simple1]

8 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

There are none so blind as those who will not see. See my post above.  They broke the agreement before the ink was dry. 

Linked credible examples?

[Jack Mountain]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Does that apply to all nations including China?

The whole alphabet ...

[Thorgal]

7 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Nuclear-Diplomacy-With-Iran

 

From your link :

 

“August 26, 2020: Iran agrees to provide the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) access to two locations that are not part of Iran’s declared nuclear program, to support the IAEA’s investigation into Tehran’s possible undeclared nuclear materials and activities before 2003. Their agreement ends a year and a half-long standoff over the investigation.”

 

The Iranians didn’t cancel the deal.

[simple1]

18 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Nuclear-Diplomacy-With-Iran

 trump unilaterally withdrew on May 8, 2018. At the same time EU confirmed Iran had not broken any of its commitment if relation to the JCPOA agreement. Iran had not prior to 08/05/2018 withdrawn from JCPOA.

Edited November 28, 2020 by simple1

[Jack Mountain]

20 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Nuclear-Diplomacy-With-Iran

 

my last post on this subject.  read this all you doubters and then tell us all that you can trust those Iranian lunatics.  

Read the period that it concerns and you're right, I no longer doubt. 

You are wrong!

[Traubert]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

"western animals" are responsible animals, unlike Iran that want to conquer the world by sending troupes and occupying Lebanon, Iraq and parts of Turkey among others...

Ah, so it depends what colour your skin is?

[Mavideol]

this being a master plot by Benjamin and his bf  Don, it must have been on the  works for quite sometime, Don recently said that many things will happen between now and Jan 20 .... Biden will have his hands full trying to undo the mess Don created on the other hand  Benjamin should be aware of the risks involved with his actions/decisions as well

[rabas]

54 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Can you provide a link that the Iranians left the JCPOA before the US ?

He may be referring to Iran's new factory to mass produce large numbers of advanced centrifuges, reported by REUTERS July 2018. Each centrifuge is 6 times more powerful than current models and they can produce 60 per day, equivalent to 360 current centrifuges per day.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-centrifuge-idUSKBN1K80OP

 

Seems Iran has been preparing to quickly produce large amounts of enriched Uranium all along. The fact that the agreement allowed Iran to keep its uranium production, technology, and personnel up to date should tell you something about the agreement.