PM Johnson says a moment may come when its game over on Brexit

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, Susco said:

 

In a 2 party deal, the strongest party always tend to set the rules. Maybe Brexiteers should have thought about that before deciding

So how successful has the EU rule setting been? They won’t be getting anything they wanted over the UK. 

[ballpoint]

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

“We’re always hopeful but you know there may come a moment when we have to acknowledge that its time to draw stumps and that’s just the way it is,” ...

 

... and if we have to go for an Australian solution then that’s fine too.”

Burn the stumps?  Good analogy Boris.

[fishtank]

Surely not.

When bungling Boris and his fellow right wingers decided to wreck the UK economy they all said that a trade deal would be a piece of cake. No problem.

It seems not.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Oh good stuff KD. Especially after what you Brexiteers have been posting ever since the referendum.

Its not a case of bullying. Its a case of picking a fight with someone far bigger and stronger than you are.

Still you knew what you were voting for right?

Yes ,democracy and freedom.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

..where is he.....haven't seen him for a while??

Probably on tvf whinging about the brexit referendum.

[7by7]

3 hours ago, kingdong said:

Judging by the eus tactics i,m glad i voted leave.

 

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

Its never a good idea to capitulate to bullies

 

How dare the EU not grant us all the benefits of membership without any of the responsibilities!

 

How dare they say we cannot have the same unfettered access to the single market that we had as a member!

 

How dare they say that we have to agree to a level playing field just as the parties to every single trade deal in the world have done!

 

How dare they say we have to use the ECJ to settle disputes, just as every other country they have a trade deal with has done!

 

Bastards!

 

Don't they know what Vote.Leave promised us in 2016?

 

 

[Surelynot]

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

Probably on tvf whinging about the brexit referendum.

Most likely in the bog having a w**k

[Chomper Higgot]

As thick as Johnson is, he’s had a first class education.

 

He knows the difference between ‘may’ and ‘will’, he’s rather hoping others don’t.

[Surelynot]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As thick as Johnson is, he’s had a first class education.

 

He knows the difference between ‘may’ and ‘will’, he’s rather hoping others don’t.

I do find it strange that an education in the 'classics' conveys intelligence...(yet it is no more than pure recall).....whereas someone who can think critically in Mathematics, Science, Medicine is somehow consider second rate???

 

I guess that is how the class structure works......one huge con trick.

[Phulublub]

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

So how successful has the EU rule setting been? They won’t be getting anything they wanted over the UK. 

Meanwhile the UK will be setting sail for the Sunny Uplands free at last from he tentacles of the EU.  We don't need to trade with those lousy Continentals...we have trade deals aplenty with...er.....they are coning.....the World will be falling over themselevs to trade with us....just not yet.     And we have regained our Sovereignty.  Eat that <insert country of choice>.  You need us more than we need you.   We have regained control.  Ha! 

 

All those who were fooled into voting Leave; I feel sorry for you.  All those who continue to spout that the Country will not suffer mightily because of it I hold in utter contempt.

 

PH

 

PH

[luckyluke]

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

It has long been obvious that the EU don't want to make a 'deal', only impose their own rules on the UK. Not happening.

The day after Brexit results, the U.K. knocked on the door of the E.U. to discuss a deal.

Maybe it was never the intention of the E.U. to make a deal with a past member, unless at their specific conditions/rules.

So no deal,

fine for the E.U.,

a deal at their conditions only, better.

[Hi from France]

5 hours ago, fishtank said:

Surely not.

When bungling Boris and his fellow right wingers decided to wreck the UK economy they all said that a trade deal would be a piece of cake. No problem.

It seems not.

its not so bad, I see a string of good news tonight

 

 

[vinny41]

30 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

its not so bad, I see a string of good news tonight

 

 

Do you have a problem with your eyesight or is the large font because your compensating lack of size elsewhere in your life

[vinny41]

Macron's Brexit veto is 'dangerous game' that could backfire, warns French farming official

France's go-it-alone Brexit veto threat is "on a par with Hungary and Poland' blocking a €1.6tn Covid recovery plan Thierry Pouch

“If we lose some of our €2bn trade surplus to the UK on food products, it will be hard to conquer new EU markets as they will be flooded. That is what happened when we slapped an embargo on Russia

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/07/macrons-brexit-veto-dangerous-game-could-backfire-warns-french/

[Hi from France]

  

34 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Macron's Brexit veto is 'dangerous game' that could backfire, warns French farming official

France's go-it-alone Brexit veto threat is "on a par with Hungary and Poland' blocking a €1.6tn Covid recovery plan Thierry Pouch

 

true, but there's more to the picture

 

 

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Nothing France has so far said about the future trade deal – including its key demand that British companies can expect preferential access to Europe’s single market only if they obey its rules – “has been contradicted by a single other member state”, she said. “So there is a lot of noise, propaganda. But the EU is really not divided.”

 

 

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 it is “not accurate” to characterise France’s position as being only, or even mainly, about fishing, Zuleeg said. The difference, said Wright, was perhaps that France was “quite happy to take the blame – and that equally, other member states are quite happy for France to do so.”

 

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“Plenty of countries are nervous,” an EU diplomat said. “It’s essential the substance of the deal takes precedence over the calendar. We cannot give in to the clock; we must get a deal that defends our collective interests. A bad deal poses fundamental risks to the EU in 10 years’ time. We are all with the French on this.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/07/france-far-from-isolated-in-tough-brexit-stance-eu-experts-say

 

[bartender100]

Italy will be next to leave, then in 18 months a very different President in France, Macron has no chance of a 2nd term.

 

The we can start a nice little non-political trading group that others are sure to join

 

IMHO

[Hi from France]

31 minutes ago, bartender100 said:

 

 

Pffff again  

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“It will continue past [Wednesday] if they can make some headway and it’s worth it,” one senior UK official said. Downing Street said it was open to continuing talks into the weekend and beyond, but stressed nothing could go on past 1 January.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/08/chances-of-brexit-deal-hang-on-boris-johnson-and-ursula-von-de-leyen-dinner

[Hi from France]

11 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

 Johnson

 

“We will prosper mightily under any version and if we have to go for an Australian solution then that’s fine too.”

 

Here is the "Australian solution" 

[kingdong]

44 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

 

Here is the "Australian solution" 

S!ing your hook then,and hopefully the uk will tell you where to stick all your imports china suddenly don,t want.

[Rookiescot]

45 minutes ago, kingdong said:

S!ing your hook then,and hopefully the uk will tell you where to stick all your imports china suddenly don,t want.

 

Thats the spirit KD.

The whole world can sling its hook.

We will be perfectly fine.

Just look at North Korea and how well it does. 

[Hi from France]

45 minutes ago, kingdong said:

S!ing your hook then,and hopefully the uk will tell you where to stick all your imports china suddenly don,t want.

so what, if Australia needs a hand against sanctions and bullying by China, I'm happy if we can help. 

[Rookiescot]

 

Brexiteers bottled it.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/08/brexit-uk-drops-plans-to-break-international-law-as-northern-ireland-deal-is-reached

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Brexiteers bottled it.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/08/brexit-uk-drops-plans-to-break-international-law-as-northern-ireland-deal-is-reached

 

Did you read it?

[kingdong]

22 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

so what, if Australia needs a hand against sanctions and bullying by China, I'm happy if we can help. 

Hi,hi from france you,re certainly made of stern stuff,thanks anyway but the uk can look after itself,heard you,ve got a few civil problems in gay pareee,perhaps your help would be more appreciated there.

[kingdong]

29 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Thats the spirit KD.

The whole world can sling its hook.

We will be perfectly fine.

Just look at North Korea and how well it does. 

Just referring to the land down under,they got a bit lairy with the sleeping dragon and paid the economic price.

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Did you read it?

 

Yes.

Did you?

[kingdong]

34 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Thats the spirit KD.

The whole world can sling its hook.

We will be perfectly fine.

Just look at North Korea and how well it does. 

Just referring to the land down under,they got a bit lairy with the sleeping dragon and paid the economic price.

[Proboscis]

15 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

Currently the  Aussies are getting caned by tariffs on hundreds of products (Over 200%) after our dopey happy clapping PM decided to start an a blue with our biggest customer (27%) China.
Resulting in many Aussie companies to the wall and people being laid off at a time when we are already being caned by the covid recession.
 

So Boris wants to start a blue with EU.........

 

Good luck with that.
 

 

While I think that it is more a case of China acting the bully with Australia, the point is well made - when you have an economy buying up half of your exports and supplying half of your imports, you should really consider a close and harmonious trading relationship with them!

[Proboscis]

7 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Macron's Brexit veto is 'dangerous game' that could backfire, warns French farming official

France's go-it-alone Brexit veto threat is "on a par with Hungary and Poland' blocking a €1.6tn Covid recovery plan Thierry Pouch

“If we lose some of our €2bn trade surplus to the UK on food products, it will be hard to conquer new EU markets as they will be flooded. That is what happened when we slapped an embargo on Russia

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/07/macrons-brexit-veto-dangerous-game-could-backfire-warns-french/

So the British are not going to eat? The Russians have a lot more opportunity to grow their own food and substitute for French products whereas the British do not. Sure, the French may sell less but the market will not disappear overnight.

[Surelynot]

9 minutes ago, Proboscis said:

when you have an economy buying up half of your exports and supplying half of your imports, you should really consider a close and harmonious trading relationship with them!

That would never work......think of the sovereignty you would have to relinquish, think of the laws and rules you might have to agree and follow......nope, a non-starter......better to strike out alone.....555