Trump and 17 states back Texas bid to undo his election loss at Supreme Court

[thaibeachlovers]

27 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

I don't seem to remember that a couple of State AGs trying to overturn the will of 81,000,000 people qualifies as democracy.

 

Somewhere---correct me if I'm wrong----democracy is a term usually associated with 'majority', and the majority wants 45 gone.

 

Also, 17 or 18 out of 50 doesn't sound like a majority, but my math could be wrong.

Are you trying to say that Trump doesn't have the legal right to dispute the election? Surely not? That would be dictatorship, IMO

 

 

[IgboChief]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

I'm a staunch conservative who doesn't like Trump and left the GOP years ago.  William Buckley style of conservatism, not the current form (religious, gun rights, conspiracy theories, racist, etc).

 

You are not alone but for me it always depends on the topics:

About Immigration, freedom of movement and residence, military and (anti-) religion and education I share a lot of progressive ideas.

Not so on economy, taxes, healthcare and welfare. I do not feel well represented by the typical two blocks.

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7 minutes ago, IgboChief said:

 

This is not a helpful statement. There are great people on the left and the right side, moderate and reasonably close to the common sense. I believe, that we need all of them to have a good discussion and come to a great decision.

 

Trump and his team have disqualified themselves from being taken as adults, this is out of question.

And anyone supporting or enabling these clown troopers is not an accountable counterparty.

 

But this does not mean, that automatically anyone conservative is always wrong or anyone progressive is always right. So I see indeed some room for a justified "I do not like Trump, but ..."

I think I analyzed his sentence sufficiently to show the obvious case of doublethink. And when after his reply I asked him if he accepted the fact that all the nonsense in the courts was down to Trump I got no answer.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Thailand said:

It really qquite sad to see these aged republican politicians so terrified of losing their seats that they are willing to follow Trump over the cliff like lemmings.

The acute embarrassment that will soon come with the realization that they have been led by the nose by the crook in chief should be a sight to behold when they have to justify the stance they took.

200 million plus I believe he has raised for his retirement from the GOP ,does that mean Guillible Ordinary People by the way?

He'll probably use the money for his 2024 campaign.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you trying to say that Trump doesn't have the legal right to dispute the election? Surely not? That would be dictatorship, IMO

He has the right, and has disputed the election.  The AG, and every state, has said "NO FRAUD!". 

 

Time to move on.  Continuing this BS is what a dictator does. And it's threatening our fragile democracy.  Sad some actually fall for this.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He'll probably use the money for his 2024 campaign.

A majority of the money he's collected goes into his super PAC.  There are few rules around these and he can use the money for whatever he wants.  Travel, hotels, apartments, haircuts, whatever.  I'm sure his cult members who donated would not be happy knowing their money went for haircuts rather than election fraud lawsuits. LOL

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8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh dear, over 70 million voters don't support Biden, and and 17 states actually want him gone. Not a happy start to his term. The only thing that can make it worse for him now, IMO, is if the senate stays GOP.

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Yup. Trump definitely won the election and is delighted with the outcome. 

[rustinorman]

It's the Hail Mary Pass. The last stand of a desperate man.

Edited December 10, 2020 by rustinorman

[Walker88]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh dear, over 70 million voters don't support Biden, and and 17 states actually want him gone. Not a happy start to his term. The only thing that can make it worse for him now, IMO, is if the senate stays GOP.

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Oh dear, 1-51 in court for 45's 'elite strikeforce team', and now some anti-democratic fascists want to try to overturn the will of more than 81 million Americans!

 

Those of us who believe in democracy and the principles upon which the US was founded and aimed toward view these silly and impotent games like mosquitoes.....irritants deserving of a good slap.

 

45 set the record for the worst loss by a repub incumbent in the history of the US. That ignominious 'achievement' will follow him, along with his impeachment, and even his miserable business record (6....count'em....six bankruptcies despite inheriting more than $412,000,000 from his father).

[Dumbastheycome]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He'll probably use the money for his 2024 campaign.

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6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you trying to say that Trump doesn't have the legal right to dispute the election? Surely not? That would be dictatorship, IMO

 

 

Are you claiming that the legal case for Trump has a legitimate basis in law? Are you claiming that it's ok for a sitting president to attempt to coerce governors and state legislature to violate their laws to back him?

[mr mr]

12 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

I'm a staunch conservative

 

call me jack's complete surprise. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Continuing this BS is what a dictator does.

 

It's legal till the electoral college decide, IMO.

Why are some on here so concerned about his court cases if he hasn't any evidence? Perhaps they fear that he still has the real deal to produce in the nick of time, and Biden's term gets snatched away?

[Sujo]

How elections are run is for each state to decide. Texas has no rights to tell any state how they run their elections. 

 

This is not a federal issue. Scotus will deny their application yo be heard.

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1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

It's legal till the electoral college decide, IMO.

Why are some on here so concerned about his court cases if he hasn't any evidence? Perhaps they fear that he still has the real deal to produce in the nick of time, and Biden's term gets snatched away?

The only people who can fairly be described as "concerned" are those who are taking his legal efforts seriously. Like you. The rest of us are just having fun tearing them apart.

[mr mr]

58 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Biden has over 7,000,000 more votes than Trump.

 

EC system or not this number cannot be ignored. this is quite large. 

[Jeffr2]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

 

It's legal till the electoral college decide, IMO.

Why are some on here so concerned about his court cases if he hasn't any evidence? Perhaps they fear that he still has the real deal to produce in the nick of time, and Biden's term gets snatched away?

There's a petition put together by 1,500 lawyers asking for Rudy's license to be revoked.  Why?  Due to his lies and going after baseless lawsuits.  It may not actually be legal what he's doing.

 

Why are we concerned?  It's ruining our democracy and ruining the people's faith in our great election process.  Stunning you don't get this...or don't care.

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

It's legal till the electoral college decide, IMO.

Why are some on here so concerned about his court cases if he hasn't any evidence? Perhaps they fear that he still has the real deal to produce in the nick of time, and Biden's term gets snatched away?

This case is not about evidence. This case is simply asking scotus to let them have a case. There will be no evidence allowed or needed in this application.

[Dumbastheycome]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

It's legal till the electoral college decide, IMO.

Why are some on here so concerned about his court cases if he hasn't any evidence? Perhaps they fear that he still has the real deal to produce in the nick of time, and Biden's term gets snatched away?

I think the real fear now is that  Trump is hoping  an "interpretation" by the SCOTUS will save his backside. The attempts of no evidence appeals have past already.

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1 minute ago, mr mr said:

 

EC system or not this number cannot be ignored. this is quite large. 

Was that your stance in 2016 when Clinton got more popular votes? How about the fact that Biden's percentage was bigger than Obama's over Romney in 2012

[Peterw42]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh dear, over 70 million voters don't support Biden, and and 17 states actually want him gone. Not a happy start to his term. The only thing that can make it worse for him now, IMO, is if the senate stays GOP.

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17 people in 17 states want him gone, the states are not taking the action, individuals are

[Eric Loh]

Safe harbor day is well passed and all except one states have certified Biden won. The path to his inauguration is well casted and Trump will exit hopefully with dignity and decorum. Resistant and denial is futile except for the purpose of milking his gullible supporters. 

[mr mr]

Just now, placeholder said:

Was that your stance in 2016 when Clinton got more popular votes? How about the fact that Biden's percentage was bigger than Obama's over Romney in 2012

 

my stance in 2016 was the same. rich people getting into power and controlling poor people. same old same old. 

 

politics is a bore really.

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

I think the real fear now is that  Trump is hoping  an "interpretation" by the SCOTUS will save his backside. The attempts of no evidence appeals have past already.

I think their quick pass of the PA case, replying with only one sentence, shows how they will handle this one. 

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1 minute ago, mr mr said:

 

my stance in 2016 was the same. rich people getting into power and controlling poor people. same old same old. 

 

politics is a bore really.

If it's all the same then why is the number of people who voted for Trump even significant? And  are they being ignored differently if it doesn't matter who gets into office? Nice try but clearly you don't believe what you just wrote.

[Somtamnication]

Unbelievable that the right wing punters don't think this is ridiculous. Enough is enough, y'all. 

[mr mr]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If it's all the same then why is the number of people who voted for Trump even significant? And  are they being ignored differently if it doesn't matter who gets into office? Nice try but clearly you don't believe what you just wrote.

 

now you're a bore. what are you even talking about ? i said that 7 million votes more is a large number. as the world changes so should your mind. 

 

keep onto your left vs right sunshine i don't play. personally i would rather see a scientific totalitarian system put into place. 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by mr mr

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, Somtamnication said:

Unbelievable that the right wing punters don't think this is ridiculous. Enough is enough, y'all. 

The politicians are afraid to challenge Trump.  The ones who did are now getting death threats from his nut job cult members.

[Walker88]

24 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you trying to say that Trump doesn't have the legal right to dispute the election? Surely not? That would be dictatorship, IMO

 

 

 

1-51 so far says his efforts are being laughed out of court. "Legal" should demand some sort of evidence, and not just conspiracy theory and lying, but then again it isn't as if 45 has much of a connection with reality. The courts seem to be of that same view that evidence is important, not made=up conspiracies.  Of course, 45 is milking his ignorant base for the funds for his attack on democracy, which I believe Ben Franklin told us would happen with fools and their money....soon parted. Let them knock themselves silly.

 

It's funny that the repubs who won in the House and Senate on 3 Nov aren't contesting those results nor calling those elections 'fraudulent'. Then again, hypocrisy, along with mendacity, racism, & fascism, now seem to be the planks in the repub platform.

 

Perhaps they will have a different take---kind of like how they flipped re appointing a SC Justice in an election year---when Dems now contest every single election going forward.

[darksidedog]

I can only hope that the decent minded people living in those 17 states are taking note of the "values" their leadership has and vote them out of office at the next opportunity. Trumps behaviour is disgraceful enough, but now he has drawn others into the fray.

The very moral fabric upon which society is based is being attacked, with fools lining up behind it. Truly awful and extremely sad.