UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[Hi from France]

we need to change the title of this thread "UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk"

 

 

 

The UK Sunday deadline is no more what a surprise, the UK is usually always true to its word.... ????

[oldhippy]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Yes it was. There were only two choices, but should you want to add an imaginary caveat that is entirely your choice however wrong you are.

 

 

Only goes to show how far the UK hiso have drifted away from normal Brits.

 

[Susco]

2 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

we need to change the title of this thread "UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk"

 

 

 

The UK Sunday deadline is no more what a surprise, the UK is usually always true to its word.... ????

 

Add Brexit to the other never ending stories EastEnders - coronation street - only fools and horses.

 

 

[david555]

14 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I thought someone posted that the whole of the EU was united together as one voice

“At the moment they fish all over the Channel, in French and English waters,” he said. But with the advent of Brexit, and no fishing deal in sight, he fears “a build-up of these giants on the French side because the English won’t let them in anymore.”

“They have trawlers that are 30 to 40 metres long, much bigger than French boats so it creates rivalry. It will be explosive. It’ll end in a punch-up between Europeans and that’s unbearable. A political choice has to be made and it’s urgent,” he said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/12/france-gears-war-european-neighbours-locked-british-waters-no/

30-40 meters .....????  you underestimate the Dutch .....what you think from this Beauty  The 119-metre long Frank Bonefaas - ???? which processes and freezes its vast catch on board - is the largest trawler registered in the British fishing fleet. The trawler controls 23 per cent of England’s fishing quota and lands its entire catch in Holland.

 

 (link for the Mod's courtesy because of picture ...)

 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/12/foreign-owned-super-trawler-will-still-control-biggest-slice/

 

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

30-40 meters .....????  you underestimate the Dutch .....what you think from this Beauty  The 119-metre long Frank Bonefaas - ????which processes and freezes its vast catch on board - is the largest trawler registered in the British fishing fleet. The trawler controls 23 per cent of England’s fishing quota and lands its entire catch in Holland.

 

 (link for the Mod's courtesy because of picture ...)

 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/12/foreign-owned-super-trawler-will-still-control-biggest-slice/

 

This week, the UK told European Commission negotiators that after Brexit, fishing boats must be majority British owned to benefit from the larger catch in UK waters.

Thats assuming there is a deal

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/12/france-gears-war-european-neighbours-locked-british-waters-no/

[david555]

11 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

This week, the UK told European Commission negotiators that after Brexit, fishing boats must be majority British owned to benefit from the larger catch in UK waters.

Thats assuming there is a deal

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/12/france-gears-war-european-neighbours-locked-british-waters-no/

i am sure those owners can find a legal right way ....

maybe same way as company owned land and houses in Thailand by foreigners ....example , maybe some friendly U.K. nationals remainers  can help them out .....????

 

Or maybe those quota are for sale.... if U.K. can find the needed ₤'s so can buy back  ....????

Edited December 13, 2020 by david555

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

i am sure those owners can find a legal right way ....

maybe same way as company owned land and houses in Thailand by foreigners ....example , maybe some friendly U.K. nationals remainers  can help them out .....????

 

Or maybe those quota are for sale.... if U.K. can find the needed can buy back  ....????

Foreign-owned fishing vessels which are UK-registered must meet certain conditions to show an “economic link” to the UK. The Government is now proposing to strengthen the rules from January 1, requiring UK-registered fishing vessels to land 70 per cent of their catch in UK ports or to hand back a proportion of their quota.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/12/foreign-owned-super-trawler-will-still-control-biggest-slice/

[david555]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Foreign-owned fishing vessels which are UK-registered must meet certain conditions to show an “economic link” to the UK. The Government is now proposing to strengthen the rules from January 1, requiring UK-registered fishing vessels to land 70 per cent of their catch in UK ports or to hand back a proportion of their quota.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/12/foreign-owned-super-trawler-will-still-control-biggest-slice/

i am sure those have means enough for lawyers to work something out which fit's the purpose and law at their convenience  ..... ????

I trust  U.K. has excellent lawyers for excellent money ....no doubt of that .

Edited December 13, 2020 by david555

[Susco]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Foreign-owned fishing vessels which are UK-registered must meet certain conditions to show an “economic link” to the UK. The Government is now proposing to strengthen the rules from January 1, requiring UK-registered fishing vessels to land 70 per cent of their catch in UK ports or to hand back a proportion of their quota.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/12/foreign-owned-super-trawler-will-still-control-biggest-slice/

 

The UK doesn't have nearly enough boats to catch all the fish currently caught in those waters. Take note, I specifically didn't use the words THEIR WATERS

[david555]

57 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

we need to change the title of this thread "UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk"

 

 

 

The UK Sunday deadline is no more what a surprise, the UK is usually always true to its word.... ????

Boris deadline still is alive ....as Sunday " midnight "deadline walker ???? he could still surprise us to be finally "as a  man of his word "....(strange quote in connection with Boris...????..???? )

Edited December 13, 2020 by david555

[vinny41]

24 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

The UK doesn't have nearly enough boats to catch all the fish currently caught in those waters. Take note, I specifically didn't use the words THEIR WATERS

Doesnt matter if you didn't say their waters , the UK Goverment is fully aware of what waters are UK waters

[Susco]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Doesnt matter if you didn't say their waters , the UK Goverment is fully aware of what waters are UK waters

 

Not so sure about that, since the UK territorial waters by law are 12 nautical miles

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters

 

Since the late 20th century the "12 mile limit" has become almost universally accepted. The United Kingdom extended its territorial waters from three to twelve nautical miles (22 km) in 1987.

[Hi from France]

18 minutes ago, david555 said:

Boris deadline still is alive ....as Sunday " midnight "deadline walker ???? he coul still surprise us to be finally "as a  man of his word "....(strange quote in connection with Boris...????..???? )

There should be a betting app associated to this forum, we'd make plenty of money over Brexiteers ????

 

Now:

1. the EU will always be open for negotiations and never slam the door 
2. Boris Johnson has repeatedly said he would walk away and slam the door, but we know how reliable his word is 

 

Anyway, whatever Brexiteers promises us, we have many years of negotiating ahead of us, as the current deal leaves out many domains that were covered by the British EU membership. 

[vinny41]

37 minutes ago, david555 said:

i am sure those have means enough for lawyers to work something out which fit's the purpose and law at their convenience  ..... ????

I trust  U.K. has excellent lawyers for excellent money ....no doubt of that .

All the details can be found here within Fisheries Act 2020 which became UK law 23rd November 2020

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/22/contents/enacted/data.htm

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

Not so sure about that, since the UK territorial waters by law are 12 nautical miles

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters

 

Since the late 20th century the "12 mile limit" has become almost universally accepted. The United Kingdom extended its territorial waters from three to twelve nautical miles (22 km) in 1987.

The United Kingdom has the fifth largest exclusive economic zone of 6,805,586 km2 (2,627,651 sq mi) square km. It comprises the EEZs surrounding the United Kingdom,[94] the Crown dependencies, and the British Overseas Territories. The figure does not include the EEZ of the British Antarctic Territory.

The EEZ associated with the Falkland Islands and South Georgia are disputed by Argentina. The EEZ of the Chagos Archipelago, also known as the British Indian Ocean Territory, is also disputed with Mauritius which considers the archipelago as a part of its territory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone#United_Kingdom

[Susco]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

All the details can be found here within Fisheries Act 2020 which became UK law 23rd November 2020

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/22/contents/enacted/data.htm

 

https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/supply-trade/uk-fisheries-bill-becomes-law-revoking-automatic-rights-for-eu-vessels

 

While Scottish Fisheries Secretary Fergus Ewing acknowledged that the act will provide a necessary framework to manage fisheries from 1 January 2021, he maintained that the best future for Scotland is as an independent nation in the E.U.

“Nothing in this legislation can compensate for the loss of our biggest seafood markets in the E.U. and the wider damage that it will cause to our coastal communities,” Ewing said. “With just over five weeks until the end of the transition period, the U.K. government must urgently clarify how it will provide us with the multi-year funding which was available from the E.U. and support the new powers.”

[GrandPapillon]

some nice comments from the BBC on that Brexit deadline story

 

"Yeah, we pretty much knew Sunday wouldn't be the absolute final deadline when Dominic Raab said earlier this week that it definitely would be. Someone who campaigned for Brexit, then became Brexit Secretary, and only then understood the full extent of our reliance on the Dover-Calais crossing, isn't someone whose grasp of a situation should be entirely trusted."

 

"How could anyone who saw him on the Marr show this morning, pathetically trying to gaslight the entire country into thinking his previous promises weren't actually what he said at the time, think anything other than this guy hasn't been on the right side of an argument since birth."

 

"Well Mr Johnson. Decision time is fast approaching.
No Deal and destroy the country 
or
Deal and destroy your political career.
Let's see where your loyalties truly lie."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55292890

[Hi from France]

The clock is ticking: there are less than three weeks to go before the pro-Leave politicians who promised that Brexit would make Scotland and its people stronger and freer can make good of their promises made four and a half years ago. 

 

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Edited December 13, 2020 by Hi from France

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/supply-trade/uk-fisheries-bill-becomes-law-revoking-automatic-rights-for-eu-vessels

 

While Scottish Fisheries Secretary Fergus Ewing acknowledged that the act will provide a necessary framework to manage fisheries from 1 January 2021, he maintained that the best future for Scotland is as an independent nation in the E.U.

“Nothing in this legislation can compensate for the loss of our biggest seafood markets in the E.U. and the wider damage that it will cause to our coastal communities,” Ewing said. “With just over five weeks until the end of the transition period, the U.K. government must urgently clarify how it will provide us with the multi-year funding which was available from the E.U. and support the new powers.”

French boycott hurting Scottish seafood sector

Park also pointed out that more than 120 non-U.K. vessels have been fishing in the waters north of Scotland while the Scottish fleet is tied up, meaning much of the fish being landed in France is actually originating from Scottish waters. That, he said, has added fuel to the U.K.’s calls for full control of its waters in the ongoing Brexit talks.

https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/supply-trade/french-boycott-hurting-scottish-seafood-sector

[Loiner]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

French boycott hurting Scottish seafood sector

Park also pointed out that more than 120 non-U.K. vessels have been fishing in the waters north of Scotland while the Scottish fleet is tied up, meaning much of the fish being landed in France is actually originating from Scottish waters. That, he said, has added fuel to the U.K.’s calls for full control of its waters in the ongoing Brexit talks.

https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/supply-trade/french-boycott-hurting-scottish-seafood-sector

Is this that Auld Alliance at work again? Really brings it home for the Brexiteer Scots fishermen, just how much they are abused by the EU.

Now Boris’s plans for RN fisheries protection are being stymied by the SNP. Shows who’s side the Rob Roy Europhiles are really on? 

[david555]

30 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

All the details can be found here within Fisheries Act 2020 which became UK law 23rd November 2020

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/22/contents/enacted/data.htm

i leave that read  to the owners of that gigantic factory vessel , a i have not one eurocent in it ...., i am sure they do what is needed for them .

[sirineou]

12 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No we haven't stooped that low yet but at times we were close????. Like when GB Junior got into power with Florida state in 2000. Don't get me wrong we have had some clowns with Blair Major and Heath.

 

We are following through a democratic referendum though which is something especially in the EU as it is usually ignored or vote again until the right answer comes in.

Things had gotten so bad here that I would had been tickled pink to have had BH junior or senior back. LOL and I am a progressive voter!!  Though the Iraq and afghanistan thing did do a number on the US also.  

Go you remember this little jem?

" $12 billion in U.S. currency was transported from the Federal Reserve to Baghdad in April 2003 and June 2004, where it was dispensed by the Coalition Provisional Authority. A Vanity Fair magazine report concluded that of this sum, "at least $9 billion has gone missing". "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_misappropriations_related_to_the_Iraq_War#:~:text=profiteering in history."-,Media investigations,%249 billion has gone missing".

Anyway, sorry for the distraction

Back to talking about you guys, here in the US I am afraid to turn on the news LOL

 

[Chomper Higgot]

37 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

some nice comments from the BBC on that Brexit deadline story

 

"Yeah, we pretty much knew Sunday wouldn't be the absolute final deadline when Dominic Raab said earlier this week that it definitely would be. Someone who campaigned for Brexit, then became Brexit Secretary, and only then understood the full extent of our reliance on the Dover-Calais crossing, isn't someone whose grasp of a situation should be entirely trusted."

 

"How could anyone who saw him on the Marr show this morning, pathetically trying to gaslight the entire country into thinking his previous promises weren't actually what he said at the time, think anything other than this guy hasn't been on the right side of an argument since birth."

 

"Well Mr Johnson. Decision time is fast approaching.
No Deal and destroy the country 
or
Deal and destroy your political career.
Let's see where your loyalties truly lie."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55292890

I’m not going to say how much I’m laughing.

 

To realistically describe my mirth I’d have to resort to some rather unsavory expletives.

[Hi from France]

42 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

"Well Mr Johnson. Decision time is fast approaching.
No Deal and destroy the country 
or
Deal and destroy your political career.
Let's see where your loyalties truly lie."

 

Well Johnson lied before, you could even say he is a specialist..

 

And how did manage until now? Quite well I think...

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Things had gotten so bad here that I would had been tickled pink to have had BH junior or senior back. LOL and I am a progressive voter!!  Though the Iraq and afghanistan thing did do a number on the US also.  

Go you remember this little jem?

" $12 billion in U.S. currency was transported from the Federal Reserve to Baghdad in April 2003 and June 2004, where it was dispensed by the Coalition Provisional Authority. A Vanity Fair magazine report concluded that of this sum, "at least $9 billion has gone missing". "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_misappropriations_related_to_the_Iraq_War#:~:text=profiteering in history."-,Media investigations,%249 billion has gone missing".

Anyway, sorry for the distraction

Back to talking about you guys, here in the US I am afraid to turn on the news LOL

 

Chin up, the US is getting rid of its problem, and if there is anything more risibly irrelevant than a defeated President it’s a Prime minister who hitched his star on being a cheap imitator of that now defeated President.

 

Though I caution.

 

Don’t be at all surprised if Johnson suddenly develops a mild stutter.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[oldhippy]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Chin up, the US is getting rid of its problem, and if there is anything more risibly irrelevant than a defeated President it’s a Prime minister who hitched his star on being a cheap imitator of that now defeated President.

I still think that Bojo does not take this Brexit soap seriously - for him it's probably just a hiso prank played on the little people.

[JonnyF]

5 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

But @vogie is telling me you all voted for Brexit for the same reasons and you all wanted a no deal Brexit.

You are saying you voted for Brexit because of immigration and @JonnyF is telling me Brexit is nothing to do with immigration.

But you all claim you knew what you were voting for.

I'm starting to suspect that might not actually be right. 

Where did I say it's "nothing to do with immigration?"

 

Are you making things up again Rookie? Tsk tsk.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Where did I say it's "nothing to do with immigration?"

 

Are you making things up again Rookie? Tsk tsk.

Why anyone would even suggest immigration/immigrants doesn’t figure in the basis of your support for Brexit is beyond belief.

 

Your indignation over the suggestion is entirely righteous.

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

Incidentally, that ‘walk’ thing.

[JonnyF]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why anyone would even suggest immigration/immigrants doesn’t figure in the basis of your support for Brexit is beyond belief.

 

Your indignation over the suggestion is entirely righteous.

 

 

 

I will ask again. Where did I say it's "nothing to do with immigration?"

 

If you can't provide a quote where I said that don't bother replying.