CorpusChristie Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Surelynot said: I never said they were giving food or money to German children. I also said that . The fact that they arent, is a reason why the German government hasnt called their actions a publicity stunt, like the UK Government did
CorpusChristie Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) Simple logic. The worlds media arent publishing the headline "UNICEF sends aid to feed German kids" , and thus they have no need to respond Edited December 20, 2020 by onthedarkside quote of hidden post removed
Surelynot Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said: Simple logic. The worlds media arent publishing the headline "UNICEF sends aid to feed UK kids" , and thus they have no need to respond
CorpusChristie Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Surelynot said: Edited my post .
Tofer Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 3 hours ago, luckyluke said: Belgium is among the 191 countries, Ah, but they're not "independent"...., still shackled to the EU!
luckyluke Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tofer said: Ah, but they're not "independent"...., still shackled to the EU! The independence of Belgium was declared the 4th. October 1830. We are not shackled at all. We are for the moment member of an union, union we can leave in our own good time.
Tofer Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, bannork said: Blind Faith, that's what you're flying on Tofer and it's going to lead you smack into a mountain side in two weeks. Just look back over the history of GB, and tell me when did they ever fall flat on their face, including the great plague, the relinquishing of the British Empire, WWI & WWII? I'm confident we'll get along just fine without being under the big stick of the EU.... But don't let my optimism spoil your pessimistic sulking and pity party...., everyone's entitled to their opinion. Edited December 20, 2020 by onthedarkside disallowed social media video removed 1
bannork Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tofer said: Just look back over the history of GB, and tell me when did they ever fall flat on their face, including the great plague, the relinquishing of the British Empire, WWI & WWII? I'm confident we'll get along just fine without being under the big stick of the EU.... But don't let my optimism spoil your pessimistic sulking and pity party...., everyone's entitled to their opinion. I wouldn't use WW1 as an example of British spirit if I was you. It was an utter senseless slaughter of a whole generation. Brexit is economically insane and the farce is doubled by it being self imposed. 1 2
Tofer Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, luckyluke said: The independence of Belgium was declared the 4th. October 1830. And then you gave it away, along with your sovereignty, to be a member of the EU. 18 minutes ago, luckyluke said: We are not shackled at all. You are as long as you are a member. 1
Tofer Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, bannork said: I wouldn't use WW1 as an example of British spirit if I was you. Did the UK fall flat on it's face thereafter??
luckyluke Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Tofer said: And then you gave it away, along with your sovereignty, to be a member of the EU. You are as long as you are a member. Not what we Belgian feel, and that's what count. What a non-Belgian think, is of course his right, but irrelevant for us.
bannork Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, Tofer said: Did the UK fall flat on it's face thereafter?? Please elaborate, how does a country fall flat on its face? 1
transam Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, bannork said: I wouldn't use WW1 as an example of British spirit if I was you. It was an utter senseless slaughter of a whole generation. Brexit is economically insane and the farce is doubled by it being self imposed. Started twice by your EU chums... 1 1
GrandPapillon Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 technically, what stops the EU and Boris in continuing their negotiations after Dec 31st? nothing, and maybe the best way to do it ????
Sujo Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, transam said: Started twice by your EU chums... They werent chums at the time. But the UK thought hitler was a chum for quite some time. Not to forget what the british started around the world pillaging places etc.
GrandPapillon Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 technically, what stops the EU and Boris in continuing their negotiations after Dec 31st? nothing, and maybe the best way to do it ????
Sujo Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 Just now, GrandPapillon said: technically, what stops the EU and Boris in continuing their negotiations after Dec 31st? nothing, and maybe the best way to do it ???? Why is it best to leave before agreements are made?
GrandPapillon Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 Just now, Sujo said: Why is it best to leave before agreements are made? well, it will give both parties a sense of emergency amid the chaos of "No deal" and will force them to address "priorities" when the UK is running out of food and toilet paper ???? 1 2
Popular Post vogie Posted December 20, 2020 Popular Post Posted December 20, 2020 1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said: well, it will give both parties a sense of emergency amid the chaos of "No deal" and will force them to address "priorities" when the UK is running out of food and toilet paper ???? Boris has just ordered 20 million bum guns. 3
Pattaya Spotter Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 Should have walked 4 years ago when the referendum passed...what about "leave the EU" do May and Johnson not understand? 1
Hi from France Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said: technically, what stops the EU and Boris in continuing their negotiations after Dec 31st? nothing, and maybe the best way to do it ???? Repeat, the EU being what it is, always designing compromises, will never break negotiations. On this side, negotiations (and will) can drag on for years The UK is in a tie : public discourse is controlled by narrow-minded nationalists need to look tough "we were in shackles, now we will be free and, anyway, sunlit uplands await us", but reality (our economies are still deeply integrated, our geopolitical interests are still the same and we are still in close geographical proximity) dictates that there is close cooperation. As a result you have successive moves by the UK to slam the door and then realize... it just cannot slam the door Another thing which is progressively sinking in is that membership was a meager price compared to the benefits of being in the EU (basically vetoing all our decisions when the UK didn't like them). . Edited December 20, 2020 by Hi from France 2
Hi from France Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 Recently discovered the European Fisheries Alliance (EUFA) https://fisheriesalliance.eu/ interesting read .. as we are stuck again, this time only on fishing and it's the EUFA behind the red lines, https://www.ft.com/content/3df92ad6-9fd4-49aa-875e-640c1e2366d8 three quotes (maybe you cannot access, but we are limited at 3 quotes on this forum) Quote the EU indicated at the end of last month that it could accept losing 15 to 18 per cent of its quota rights, that offer has now risen to 25 per cent, according to people briefed on the talks. EUFA's president Quote “We are looking at vicious and unprecedented cuts on a wide range of stocks including our pelagic, shellfish and whitefish sectors,” Mr van Balsfoort said. He added that the situation was worsened by the fact that “fisheries negotiations with the UK are intended to start all over again after only six or seven years,” when the transitional period would end. and Quote People involved in the talks cautioned that other parts of the fisheries negotiation remained unresolved: notably the rights of EU boats to fish close to the British coast. 1
bkkcanuck8 Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said: technically, what stops the EU and Boris in continuing their negotiations after Dec 31st? nothing, and maybe the best way to do it ???? Nothing technically stops them from continuing, but politically Boris has previously locked himself into not allowing any extension to the transition (including putting it into law - which means they would have to vote to revoke the law and to vote on an extension - something that is difficult politically). As such to have any extension they have to have some sort of trade agreement of sorts to have an extension by another name (maybe 'implementation period'). If there is no agreement, then the current standstill comes to an end and as per both EU/UK and WTO the UK cannot get any special treatment and must be on WTO rules. Any industries that have held out hope for an agreement -- will be impacted, and some companies won't be able to adjust and go under. Basically, it will lead to having to adjust to new rules on the outside, then if there is a later agreement have to adjust again... all that adjusting only leads to a greater impact on the economy.
Hi from France Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said: Any industries that have held out hope for an agreement -- will be impacted, and some companies won't be able to adjust and go under. Basically, it will lead to having to adjust to new rules on the outside, then if there is a later agreement have to adjust again... all that adjusting only leads to a greater impact on the economy. by way, it you have curiosity, time and can go beyond inflamating tabloids with CAPITALS fueling hatred and xenophobia.. ...You can read and watch the meeting of the House of Commons with 3 main industrial sectors about Brexit https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/1367/html/ I really like Ian Wright the guy is nothing short of spectacular Edited December 20, 2020 by Hi from France
Sujo Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said: Should have walked 4 years ago when the referendum passed...what about "leave the EU" do May and Johnson not understand? I dont understand. They are leaving. Why should they not try to leave on good terms. Or should they just say <deleted> and leave and be in a bad state?
Hi from France Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sujo said: I dont understand. They are leaving. Why should they not try to leave on good terms. Or should they just say <deleted> and leave and be in a bad state? the problem with this nationalist scenarios is they simply cannot happen. The tabloid of @Pattaya Spotter might say "let's just leave" sorry LETS JUST LEAVE but, capitals or not, that's cannot happen even with UKIP. apparently Barnier has been too generous with 25%, even the Irish would veto Anyway given the "rapport de force", the EU just has to wait and to let the current government deal with recession, covid, traffic jams, layoffs for a while.. given the career of Boris Johnson there is no problem here; It can be disastrous for the country as long as Boris can spin it and look good. in the the CER end of year podcast: Reflecting on 2020 I think it's Christian Odendahl who compared the process of leaving the EU to the process of entering the EU. There are a series of conditions, they are fair because they have to be the same for all, they are very predictable: laid out in advance ...and you have a choice : if you are compliant, you get the deal. If you are not compliant, you simply wait at the door until you fulfill the conditions. It can last years ... or just forever (like the British-sponsored accession of Turkey to the EU) and that's wait he said 'apparently the EU exit door looks like the front door' as we see it now, it does not matter if brexiteers complain or not, the EU red lines laid out in 2016 did not move so much. If anything, the EU is predictable. . Edited December 20, 2020 by Hi from France
Popular Post CorpusChristie Posted December 20, 2020 Popular Post Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, GrandPapillon said: well, it will give both parties a sense of emergency amid the chaos of "No deal" and will force them to address "priorities" when the UK is running out of food and toilet paper ???? If we have no food, then toilet paper wouldnt be required . 3
CorpusChristie Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, GrandPapillon said: technically, what stops the EU and Boris in continuing their negotiations after Dec 31st? nothing, and maybe the best way to do it ???? If two sides cannot come to an agreement and both refuse to budge , then no amount of talking will solve that
vinny41 Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hi from France said: the problem with this nationalist scenarios is they simply cannot happen. The tabloid of @Pattaya Spotter might say "let's just leave" sorry LETS JUST LEAVE but, capitals or not, that's cannot happen even with UKIP. apparently Barnier has been too generous with 25%, even the Irish would veto Anyway given the "rapport de force", the EU just has to wait and to let the current government deal with recession, covid, traffic jams, layoffs for a while.. given the career of Boris Johnson there is no problem here; It can be disastrous for the country as long as Boris can spin it and look good. in the the CER end of year podcast: Reflecting on 2020 I think it's Christian Odendahl who compared the process of leaving the EU to the process of entering the EU. There are a series of conditions, they are very predictable and laid out in advance and you have a choice : if you are compliant, you get the deal. If you are not compliant, you wait at the door. apparently the EU exit door looks like the front door as we see it now, the EU red lines laid out in 2016 did not move. If anything, the EU is predictable. . In my book 40% for EU fishing is better than nothing , Boris has already told the EU 25% is unacceptable
Hi from France Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said: If we have no food, then toilet paper wouldnt be required . a true statement by Corpus, deserves to be framed ???? now do not doubt that if things got really that critical for the UK, the EU would offer humanitarian help. Now, we are very very very far from that.
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